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culletron1 wrote...

Turning EDI into a fembot was seriously annoying. It just seemed so cartoonish and out of phase with the rest of the character and art design.

Miranda says hi...

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

The reason most people don't hate her is not because of that bloody body but because her "becoming human" for a robot is done to death a billion times over. I told her she's not human through the whole game............. end of the game my Shep says "You found your human side". Thanks for that autodialogue! Plus it's all only Joker talks about now, "EDI this, Edi that!"

Funny, my Shepard never said that. Did you play on action mode or something? As far as I can tell, Shepard can only say that if you choose the paragon dialogue option and encourage their relationship, both of which are optional, you know?

EDI spent her entire existence around the almost entirely human crew of the Normandy. She interacts mostly with humans and was built by a human organization. Can you really blame her for wanting to be more human?

[anmiro]

If you havent figured it out by now, BSN is full of haters.

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anmiro wrote...

If you havent figured it out by now, BSN is full of haters.

I think I can dig up hate threads for every character.

[Hudathan]

People hate EDI?!

[BatmanPWNS]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The reason most people don't hate her is not because of that bloody body but because her "becoming human" for a robot is done to death a billion times over. I told her she's not human through the whole game............. end of the game my Shep says "You found your human side". Thanks for that autodialogue! Plus it's all only Joker talks about now, "EDI this, Edi that!"

Funny, my Shepard never said that. Did you play on action mode or something? As far as I can tell, Shepard can only say that if you choose the paragon dialogue option and encourage their relationship, both of which are optional, you know?

EDI spent her entire existence around the almost entirely human crew of the Normandy. She interacts mostly with humans and was built by a human organization. Can you really blame her for wanting to be more human?

Mine did, play full renegade. Disapproved everything EDI and Joker did. Go to the end when you talk to everyone for the last time, Shepard will say that.

And yes, I will blame her. She wanted my advice, if she ain't gonna follow my advice (in an RPG game anyway) then don't ask me in the first place.

[Darth Asriel]

OP you're a troll. Here's a few questions for you.

Why did EDI need a cameltoe?
Why wasn't the better arc EDI being a sentient spaceship, fighting against sentient spaceships?
Why does EDI identify as female? She's an AI, one gender should mean as much to her as the next.
If her sexualization wasn't done for the players, who was it done for?
EDI still has a titanium(or future equivalent) crotch, how is Joker not breaking every one below his waist?
Joker was never written as an some one who would need a sexbot to get laid.

EDI was turned into fan service, nothing more.

[Ryoten]

Jonata wrote...

 So, I tried to start an EDI support thread here. It was never done before and I understood why after the thread almost instantly failed to find even one supporter for the unshackled Normandy AI. It appears that practically no one on these boards like her, and the reason for all this hate seems to be that people perceive her and her new ME3 body as "oversexualized".

I would like to share with you my opinion on the subject, explaining as well why I think you are wrong. 

1. What's in a name? 

Videogames are a very young media, and they were once aimed at kids and teenagers. As a results, they can often use juvenile methods to appease their public, one of the most overused being the sexualization of female characters. Japanese games, for example, do it all the time: Ivy from Soul Calibur, Gloria/Trish from Devil May Cry and obviously Bayonetta are all oversexualized characters... they were designed, from the very beginning, to appease players on a very basic level. To put it honestly, those "women" were designed to make players horny while playing. 

See, that's the very purpose of sexualizing a character, appease the player with sexually oriented images. Now, what would be the purpose of sexualizing EDI? Mass Effect already has women and men with which you can actually have sex, the game surely doesn't need to appease players on that topic. Also, EDI is not a romanceable option, she is actually the only main character that has a compelling love story that does not involve Shepard. Why the hell BioWare would want to sexualize EDI? It does not make sense, and I'll tell you why: EDI's body is not an example of oversexualizing the female body.

2. "But she has high heels and huge boobs!" 

(Technically, her boobs are smaller than Liara's, but that's just a side note to put things in perspective) 

When you saw EDI for the first time, what were you thinking? Probably, "oh, this robot has high heels, huge bobos, looks almost naked... it's so sexualized!". I can understand this, this kind of thoughts probably comes from the minds of gamers who have been used to see characterse like Bayonetta everywhere, but that's not what I thought. My first opinion on EDI was: "Woah, she looks very vintage." And guess what? I was right! 

EDI's body was based on Maria, a character from the 1927 Sci-Fi movie "Metropolis" that I recently had the pleasure to see. Here she is:




Add a couple of "shiny metal" effects like those on Shepard's new N7 Armor, the face of Tricia Helfer and you've got EDI. Now, Maria is obviously designed to look attractive, but not in the way you would think. She is not a "nerdbait", she is not there to stimulate your sexual desires. She is there to use her appealing looks as a functional part of the story (I'm not gonna spoil you how). 

And EDI does exactly that. Her character development from incorporeal AI to something more "alive" is one of the primary themes of the game,  and gaining an attractive body is one of the first steps that change her point of view on humans. With her new body she start interacting with people defeating their prejudice and starting to know how organics works. She is attractive, but not designed to make the player horny like oversexualized character: she is designed to appear attractive to the in-game characters. She is not "attainable", she cannot have sex with the player nor is interested in it. 

Also, she's cleary a tribute to the very roots of the Sci-Fi mythos, and that already put her one step ahead of many other attractive female videogame characters. 

3. In The End

I'm not forcing you to like EDI. I'm not telling you that you should go now and select Synthesis or Control to keep her alive. I'm just stating that EDI being oversexualized is a fallacious statement and is actually insulting both BioWare work and even the character development of any other LI. Because if EDI is a character made to appeal players through sexuality, then what does that make characters like Liara, Tali or Miranda, women with attractive bodies who actually want to have sex with you during the game? 

I'm just asking you not to use double standards: you like Miranda because of her strong personality? Then please take in consideration EDI's character and not just her curves. Which are not out of place, and I just explained why. 


4. TL;DR

- EDI's body is not an example of oversexualizing female characters. She is a tribute to vintage Sci-Fi designs.
- EDI is not a LI, so it would not make sense to oversexualize her.
- Please judge EDI according to her character development just like you do with people like Liara, Tali or Garrus.

I didn't like Metropolis either.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The reason most people don't hate her is not because of that bloody body but because her "becoming human" for a robot is done to death a billion times over. I told her she's not human through the whole game............. end of the game my Shep says "You found your human side". Thanks for that autodialogue! Plus it's all only Joker talks about now, "EDI this, Edi that!"

Funny, my Shepard never said that. Did you play on action mode or something? As far as I can tell, Shepard can only say that if you choose the paragon dialogue option and encourage their relationship, both of which are optional, you know?

EDI spent her entire existence around the almost entirely human crew of the Normandy. She interacts mostly with humans and was built by a human organization. Can you really blame her for wanting to be more human?

Mine did, play full renegade. Disapproved everything EDI and Joker did. Go to the end when you talk to everyone for the last time, Shepard will say that.

And yes, I will blame her. She wanted my advice, if she ain't gonna follow my advice (in an RPG game anyway) then don't ask me in the first place.

Really?

My Shepard never said that. Not before Cronos Station, not before London assault, not during the last conversation either. Can you point out the specific dialogue?

So anyone who doesn't agree with you can't ask for your advice? That's...odd. Well, if she doesn't take your advice, then she isn't a mindless idiot kissing up to Shepard.

[Neizd]

Someone hates EDI o_O I always though she was very loved character...the problem is actually with her "body" since this wasn't needed...

[BatmanPWNS]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The reason most people don't hate her is not because of that bloody body but because her "becoming human" for a robot is done to death a billion times over. I told her she's not human through the whole game............. end of the game my Shep says "You found your human side". Thanks for that autodialogue! Plus it's all only Joker talks about now, "EDI this, Edi that!"

Funny, my Shepard never said that. Did you play on action mode or something? As far as I can tell, Shepard can only say that if you choose the paragon dialogue option and encourage their relationship, both of which are optional, you know?

EDI spent her entire existence around the almost entirely human crew of the Normandy. She interacts mostly with humans and was built by a human organization. Can you really blame her for wanting to be more human?

Mine did, play full renegade. Disapproved everything EDI and Joker did. Go to the end when you talk to everyone for the last time, Shepard will say that.

And yes, I will blame her. She wanted my advice, if she ain't gonna follow my advice (in an RPG game anyway) then don't ask me in the first place.

Really?

My Shepard never said that. Not before Cronos Station, not before London assault, not during the last conversation either. Can you point out the specific dialogue?

So anyone who doesn't agree with you can't ask for your advice? That's...odd. Well, if she doesn't take your advice, then she isn't a mindless idiot kissing up to Shepard.

Here you go:
- The last part is always said regardless of paragon/renegade.

And yes, she doesn't agree with my advice despite asking me a dozen time for guidance. Remind me again why this is an RPG?

[loungeshep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You just now saw Metropolis? Jonata I am disappoint.

EDI is a Pinocchio story.

If you can't get past the way she looks it says a LOT more about you than it does her.

Yeah. I totally saw Metropolis when it opened in 1927.

EDI strikes me as more a Data character,  she's pretty cool.

[samb]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

And yes, she doesn't agree with my advice despite asking me a dozen time for guidance. Remind me again why this is an RPG?

It is implicit that you give terrible advice and disagreeing with you makes anyone more human.  See I feel more alive already.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

Here you go:
- The last part is always said regardless of paragon/renegade.

And yes, she doesn't agree with my advice despite asking me a dozen time for guidance. Remind me again why this is an RPG?

So Shepard agrees that she is alive, therefore she's human? Uh, no...

Well, Javik doesn't always agree with you either. Nor does Garrus. I guess an RPG is when everyone you talk to must agree with and kiss up to you, right?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 20 août 2012 - 08:11 .

[ioannisdenton]

I bet the same people that hate ME3 and it's endings hate EDI.
EDI was one of the best squamates of the entire ME trilogy.
I think it is Cool to hate Me3 in these forums.
Cameltoe? So what? big deal.
Anyone of you EDI haters ever thought that Eva's body was SUppose to be hot as she was a Cerberus agent?
With that in Mind the cameltoe is well placed.
My 2 cents.
To OP: You are right

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ioannisdenton wrote...

I bet the same people that hate ME3 and it's endings hate EDI.
EDI was one of the best squamates of the entire ME trilogy.
I think it is Cool to hate Me3 in these forums.
Cameltoe? So what? big deal.
Anyone of you EDI haters ever thought that Eva's body was SUppose to be hot as she was a Cerberus agent?
With that in Mind the cameltoe is well placed.
My 2 cents.
To OP: You are right

I don't like EDI's body, and I definitely don't like the endings, even with the EC.

[ChickenDownUnder]

Somewhere in Bioware is a game designer that spent time sculpting that ******. To me, that is borderline creepy.

So, while I have no problems with EDI's personality, there is still that thought in the back of my mind that makes me dislike the character just a little bit. She was made to look ridiculous and over-sexualized on purpose, and don't see why I have to be suddenly okay with such ridiculousness and over-sexualization.

If they didn't want the huge boobs and ****** to be noticed then they wouldn't be there in the first place.

[AlexMBrennan]

(Technically, her boobs are smaller than Liara's, but that's just a side note to put things in perspective)

Bioware doing it to all the character makes it totally OK, I suppose? How about not doing it to any of the characters?

I'm just stating that EDI being oversexualized is a fallacious statement and is actually insulting both BioWare work and even the character development of any other LI. Because if EDI is a character made to appeal players through sexuality, then what does that make characters like Liara, Tali or Miranda, women with attractive bodies who actually want to have sex with you during the game?

They have also been oversexualized. Is it so hard to grasp that Bioware might have screwed up at more than one single thing?

EDI's body was based on Maria, a character from the 1927 Sci-Fi movie "Metropolis"

Unless you can prove that I think "sex sells" is a more likely explanation for the ever expanding bust size of ME heroines.

- EDI is not a LI, so it would not make sense to oversexualize her.

Incorrect. Sex sells. It's as simple as that - look at any perfume advert.

I'm just asking you not to use double standards: you like Miranda because of her strong personality?

I don't like the camera being focused on Miranda's ass all the time either.

EDI's [...] curves [...] are not out of place, and I just explained why.

No they are. They did not add anything to the story other than an incredibly creepy Joker romance whilst seriously threatening immersion (I literally couldn't stop laughing for 30min after watching the reveal because it was so ridiculous - not exactly the reaction you want your audience to have).

The game would have been better and EDI's character development more meaningful if they had stuck with the ME2 model.

[samb]

Did Miranda get this kind of backlash when ME2 came out? Did Chun-Li or Lara Croft? Why the double standard?

U mad?

[samb]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Incorrect. Sex sells. It's as simple as that - look at any perfume advert.

You're like 20 years late in the conversation dude.  Sex has been selling since kingdom come.  You go on those perfume sites and make a little protest as well? 

Look up reaction formation while you're at it.  Because you are totally doing that.

The game would have been better and EDI's character development more meaningful if they had stuck with the ME2 model.

The Normandy SR2 did have a hot body, but I think I like EDI's new body better, but some people (like you) are into space worthy frigates.  To each their own.

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ChickenDownUnder wrote...

Somewhere in Bioware is a game designer that spent time sculpting that ******. To me, that is borderline creepy.

So, while I have no problems with EDI's personality, there is still that thought in the back of my mind that makes me dislike the character just a little bit. She was made to look ridiculous and over-sexualized on purpose, and don't see why I have to be suddenly okay with such ridiculousness and over-sexualization.

If they didn't want the huge boobs and ****** to be noticed then they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Her default "naked" outfit doesn't even have a ******. The ****** is strictly in the DLC outfit. <_<

[ChickenDownUnder]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

Somewhere in Bioware is a game designer that spent time sculpting that ******. To me, that is borderline creepy.

So, while I have no problems with EDI's personality, there is still that thought in the back of my mind that makes me dislike the character just a little bit. She was made to look ridiculous and over-sexualized on purpose, and don't see why I have to be suddenly okay with such ridiculousness and over-sexualization.

If they didn't want the huge boobs and ****** to be noticed then they wouldn't be there in the first place.

Her default "naked" outfit doesn't even have a ******. The ****** is strictly in the DLC outfit. <_<

Doesn't change my point. It exists; it didn't have to.

Jack in ME2 had a belt bra, with an alternate outfit that added more of a shirt; still got a ton of complaints. In-game camera angle at times focusing on Miranda's ass instead of her face also gets a lot of flack, enough so that its become a running joke. Also remember lots of people getting annoyed when the anime-ish Liara statue was revealed with huge t and a... and what do you know, Liara's t and a did also inflate in size in ME3.

[Massa FX]

Would I have liked EDI better if her body resembled C3PO?

No.

The hardware wasn't my issue. Unshackled AI trying to be human is scary. Javik was right. Throw it out the airlock. He also said it's pretending to be a child. EDI is part of the crew but I would accept her better as a subservient Droid and not a Droid trying to become human.

She, IMO, was trying to do a lot more than understand humanity.

Modifié par Massa FX, 20 août 2012 - 11:36 .

[samb]

Massa FX wrote...

.......EDI is part of the crew but I would accept her better as a subservient Droid and not a Droid trying to become human.

Wow I'm surprised you had the balls to type something so sexist.  "I have no problems with EDI being sexy, but why couldn't she be the type that was docile and did everything I asked.  You know like how real women should be".  Lord forbid she have her own point of view or prefernces.  The nerve of her!

She, IMO, was trying to do a lot more than understand humanity.

"synthetic seek perfection through understanding"
In case you messed the point of the game........

Modifié par samb, 20 août 2012 - 11:48 .

[D24O]

Miranda's ass should've been on camera more too.