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[Bill Casey]

ioannisdenton wrote...

I bet the same people that hate ME3 and it's endings hate EDI.

That makes no sense, considering her death is a consequence for the destroy ending...

[Blitzhawk65]

While I liked ME2 EDI, ME3 EDI was my least favorite squadmate by far. 

Start with all of the coincidences that it took to give EDI a body.  TIM builds a human-looking android infiltrator, something that had never previously existed in the ME universe, to infiltrate the facility on Mars.  Nevermind the idea that the infiltration on Mars was ultimately unnecessary since TIM threw an entire Cerberus team at the poorly-defended facility anyway.  TIM then proceeds to not build any more android-infiltrators even though they would have been very useful for TIM's other derpings in ME3 (Citadel coup, capturing the students at Grissom, etc.).  Meanwhile Shepard decides to take the Eva Core body on-board the Normandy for some reason.  I have a hard time buying the "let's study the technology" excuse when Shepard left countless geth bodies alone through ME1 and ME2 (Legion being the exception because it tried to help Shepard).  After Shepard takes the body on-board, EDI decides to take it over (to avoid some coincidental trap of course).  That is an awful lot of coincidences just to get EDI a body.  A body that has ridiculous proportions, but I won't get into those since they have been covered in this thread.

Once EDI gets the body it immediately starts acting like a female despite the fact that it is a sexless AI.  It may have been given a female voice, but EDI had never been "female."  After EDI gets its body, Joker immediately starts acting like a 12-year old boy who had started going through puberty.  What difference did it make to Joker if EDI had a body or not?  It isn't like he could do anything with EDI's body that he couldn't do with EDI otherwise (unless TIM was into sexing robots and put certain parts on EDI).  After all of this we get the incredibly creepy EDI/Joker romance and a rehash of the movie Bicentennial Man (which I also disliked BTW).  We also got forced to take EDI along to Chronos Station where she could say "Go use those computers that conveniently contain recordings which TIM inexplicably kept in-game so that you may see the childish changes that the ME3's writing team decided to make to Cerberus."  All of this is ultimately capped off with Joker and EDI walking out to Tarzan music in the control/synthesis endings (creepy in itself).  EC makes things even worse.  I took EDI and Javik on my EC run (not knowing if the squadmates would die from Harbinger) and what happens?  EDI gets "injured" and Shepard endangers the Normandy by having it come in to extract EDI, justifying it with "EDI, I need you to protect the Normandy"...WTF?

I liked the platonic relationship that EDI and Joker had in ME2 as they quipped with each other and told jokes, and there was nothing that EDI added in ME3 that could not have been accomplished without a body (perhaps with more impact).  The ME universe also had the far superior geth story-arc that dealt with AIs handling sentience, and IMO made ME3 EDI's story-arc unnecessary. 

Ultimately, IMO EDI as a squadmate in ME3 was completely unnecessary, cheapened the character that EDI established in ME2, made joker look like a creep, and contributed to the contrived face-palm worthy writing of ME3.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Hmm, where to begin...

Blitzhawk65 wrote...
Meanwhile Shepard decides to take the Eva Core body on-board the Normandy for some reason.  I have a hard time buying the "let's study the technology" excuse when Shepard left countless geth bodies alone through ME1 and ME2 (Legion being the exception because it tried to help Shepard).  After Shepard takes the body on-board, EDI decides to take it over (to avoid some coincidental trap of course).

Because, you know, Eva Core bot got the information about the Crucible from the Mars archive and they needed that info? I mean, wasn't that the entire point of going to Mars?

Once EDI gets the body it immediately starts acting like a female despite the fact that it is a sexless AI.  It may have been given a female voice, but EDI had never been "female."

EDI's reference is a female pronoun towards the end of ME2. I don't know where you're getting immediate from...

After EDI gets its body, Joker immediately starts acting like a 12-year old boy who had started going through puberty.  What difference did it make to Joker if EDI had a body or not?  It isn't like he could do anything with EDI's body that he couldn't do with EDI otherwise (unless TIM was into sexing robots and put certain parts on EDI).

I agree about this. Joker's juvenile comments irritated me. Guess what, this is why I discouraged the relationship.

After all of this we get the incredibly creepy EDI/Joker romance and a rehash of the movie Bicentennial Man (which I also disliked BTW).

Which you can discourage, like I did in almost all my playthroughs. You don't like it, don't encourage it. It's that simple. Why rant about something that can be avoided?

We also got forced to take EDI along to Chronos Station where she could say "Go use those computers that conveniently contain recordings which TIM inexplicably kept in-game so that you may see the childish changes that the ME3's writing team decided to make to Cerberus."

And preventing Cerberus from venting the hanger. And launching a fighter to breaking through the door. And extracting Vendetta.

All of this is ultimately capped off with Joker and EDI walking out to Tarzan music in the control/synthesis endings (creepy in itself).

Doesn't happen in Control, and she is dead in Destroy, which is my ending. Only in Synthesis. I agree that the inevitable embracing in Synthesis is bad, but that's it.

EC makes things even worse.  I took EDI and Javik on my EC run (not knowing if the squadmates would die from Harbinger) and what happens?  EDI gets "injured" and Shepard endangers the Normandy by having it come in to extract EDI, justifying it with "EDI, I need you to protect the Normandy"...WTF?

Let's blame EDI for Shepard's stupidity. Yeah...

I liked the platonic relationship that EDI and Joker had in ME2 as they quipped with each other and told jokes, and there was nothing that EDI added in ME3 that could not have been accomplished without a body (perhaps with more impact).

If the relationship is discouraged, ME3 EDI also had a platonic relationship with Joker. Considering how much you despise the relationship, I thought you would know about this.

The ME universe also had the far superior geth story-arc that dealt with AIs handling sentience, and IMO made ME3 EDI's story-arc unnecessary.

Right, let's watch as the geth make a complete 180 from ME2 and suddenly decide to adopt individuality instead of using consensus. Remember this line from Legion? Guess what the geth ended up doing? Better my ass. Oh, and did I mention that EDI was already sentient since the beginning of ME2? She was built by a human organization, Cerberus. She spent her entire existence around the almost entirely human crew of the Normandy SR-2. Majority of her interactions were with humans, most Shepard and Joker. Does it really surprise you that she tried to become more human?

Ultimately, IMO EDI as a squadmate in ME3 was completely unnecessary, cheapened the character that EDI established in ME2, made joker look like a creep, and contributed to the contrived face-palm worthy writing of ME3.

You know, I'm fine with people disliking EDI, but a lot of the reasons you just listed hold no water.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 21 août 2012 - 05:21 .

[-Skorpious-]

EDI never needed to be anymore than the "soul" of the Normandy.

[aeonlifestream]

EDI as a character is fine, the camel-toe robot suit, not so much. I mean it isn't the worst thing ever, but it's not the best either.

[Jonata]

aeonlifestream wrote...

EDI as a character is fine, the camel-toe robot suit, not so much. I mean it isn't the worst thing ever, but it's not the best either.

That ****** is having too much attention on these boards. It was probably the results of a couple of texture artists wanting to mess a bit with the players heads. People shouldn't give it that much importance regarding the development of EDI's characters. 

[TheRealJayDee]

-Skorpious- wrote...

EDI never needed to be anymore than the "soul" of the Normandy.

100% this.

[Aggie Punbot]

Personally, I would have loved seeing EDI's 'soul' put into the body of a male infiltrator and seeing how her relationship with Joker went after that (not necessarily a "sexy" one). Did Joker like the personality or the body that it later inherited? It would have made a wonderful exploration of not only the AI/human relationship but a good exploration of gender issues.

Wasted potential is how I categorize EDI.

[Sebby]

I found it extremely creepy how "someone" with a child-like personality that has difficulty grasping the mere concept of humor is thrown into a human relationship and all the emotional baggage it entails.

[Jonata]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Personally, I would have loved seeing EDI's 'soul' put into the body of a male infiltrator and seeing how her relationship with Joker went after that (not necessarily a "sexy" one). Did Joker like the personality or the body that it later inherited? It would have made a wonderful exploration of not only the AI/human relationship but a good exploration of gender issues.

Wasted potential is how I categorize EDI.

Mass Effect explored attraction, diversity and the meaning of "love" in at least 16 different ways during the trilogy, including topics like interracial relationships, homosexual partners and friendship bounds between Organics and Synthetics (Legion). 

We didn't need Casablanca in space to make the relationship between Joker and EDI compelling. They are the Adam and Eve of a new era. An era that you can Destroy if you do not like the concept, so there's no need to hate on them. Just go there and shoot the tube. 

[Nightwriter]

The marketing industry can and will hold every single character hostage in their drive to sell, sell, sell. It is our responsibility as intelligent consumers to look past the vulgar candy coating they shellack over the actual creative worth behind characters and concepts. It's great when you find a game that doesn't try to shove a rack in your face, but you shouldn't expect it, and if you were holding out hope that BioWare is different in that regard, I think it's clear by now that they aren't. At least not completely.

You want to disparage something, disparage oversexed characters who don't actually bring anything to the table except titillation. Keep them in your mind the next time you have an existential discussion with EDI about the meaning of free will.

[Aggie Punbot]

Jonata wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

Personally, I would have loved seeing EDI's 'soul' put into the body of a male infiltrator and seeing how her relationship with Joker went after that (not necessarily a "sexy" one). Did Joker like the personality or the body that it later inherited? It would have made a wonderful exploration of not only the AI/human relationship but a good exploration of gender issues.

Wasted potential is how I categorize EDI.

Mass Effect explored attraction, diversity and the meaning of "love" in at least 16 different ways during the trilogy, including topics like interracial relationships, homosexual partners and friendship bounds between Organics and Synthetics (Legion). 

We didn't need Casablanca in space to make the relationship between Joker and EDI compelling. They are the Adam and Eve of a new era. An era that you can Destroy if you do not like the concept, so there's no need to hate on them. Just go there and shoot the tube. 

Uh, you're preaching to the choir, dude. I always choose destroy.

[nopantsisabela]

I really liked EDI actually. Yeah, she has a very "idealized" body but what are you going to do? A synthetic created in the image of a human is obviously going to have what's considered a "standard" human body. I guess I can kind of understand people complaining about the lack of realism in video games, 'cause it's true - on the whole everyone is attractive, not overweight, etc... But if you're complaining about EDI then I sure hope you're also complaining about Ashley's makeover, the femShep face contest, and the fact that not a single person is fat in the ME universe.

Edit: I'll admit that the whole cameltoe thing is bizzare though. Why was it ever drawn in in the first place? Regardless, I don't think EDI as a character should be hated simply because of questionable clothing design.

Modifié par nopantsisabela, 21 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[008Zulu]

I don't know about not being oversexualized, but in 2 of the 3 costumes she has (counting From The Ashes), she is sporting major toe. I'm a guy, we notice stuff like that, so sue us. You put a girl in a skintight suit and our eyes will hit the key zones first, deny it if you want.

I didn't mind her as a squad mate, the decoy was next to useless and I haven't figured out what defense matrix is supposed to do (I thought it boosted shields, but not that I could notice). Her tech powers filled a nice gap with my Adept and Vanguard toons. Had some interesting dialogue.

But I will tell you, I didn't like the fact that you put all this effort in to helping her become a better person only to fry her brain when you kill the Reapers. That's like in those war movies where the soldiers tell the doctor "Fix him up so we can execute him." Granted most of the game is an exercise in futility, but really? Why give us the option to help her if we are just going to kill her?

[Alikain]

How can one hate EDI, I love her and I use her more. The first time I find that she was the rogue A.I on Luna that try to killed everyone, I was like wow this is a good story and if I could get another squad member I want her.

[Kataphrut94]

008Zulu wrote...

I don't know about not being oversexualized, but in 2 of the 3 costumes she has (counting From The Ashes), she is sporting major toe. I'm a guy, we notice stuff like that, so sue us. You put a girl in a skintight suit and our eyes will hit the key zones first, deny it if you want.

I didn't mind her as a squad mate, the decoy was next to useless and I haven't figured out what defense matrix is supposed to do (I thought it boosted shields, but not that I could notice). Her tech powers filled a nice gap with my Adept and Vanguard toons. Had some interesting dialogue.

But I will tell you, I didn't like the fact that you put all this effort in to helping her become a better person only to fry her brain when you kill the Reapers. That's like in those war movies where the soldiers tell the doctor "Fix him up so we can execute him." Granted most of the game is an exercise in futility, but really? Why give us the option to help her if we are just going to kill her?

So maybe you'll consider taking the option that doesn't kill her.

Is that why people hate EDI? They resent her for making it a hard choice to destroy the Reapers. I reckon that's a sign they did a good job with her and Legion - there are people (myself included) who will avoid the easy path of destroy because we care about them enough to consider them worth saving.

People go back and forth about the sexbot business, but I reckon if you're going to criticise a character for being sexy, you're:

A) A bit late considering the first game gave us a race of hot blue-skinned bisexuals who can mate with anyone as the most powerful race in the galaxy and it only went downhill from there.

Taking the easy way out. I can understand criticising EDIs character development, or that you didn't like her relationship with Joker, but if all you have to base dislike of a character is that they look attractive, then wouldn't that lock you out of liking every character in this series who isn't a krogan, salarian or Diana Allers?

At least EDIs dialogue and conversations have plenty of actual depth to them and outside of it's introduction scene, her body was never depicted in a way that was meant to be pandering or sexualised. People were ragging on Miranda for the gratuitous ass-shots that cropped up in half her conversations, but nowadays her fanbase is just as devoted and ravenous as any other.

[Pitznik]

-Skorpious- wrote...

EDI never needed to be anymore than the "soul" of the Normandy.

EDI didn't agree.

[Blue Face Beast]

EDI has awesome dialogues througout all the game and i for one never disliked her ( i gotta admit that that Tricia Helfer voice turns me on thought .

But anyway, technically she makes a formidable squadmate and she often have insightful conversations about whatever is going on.

And yes, she looks sexy ( for a synthetic i suppose... Ask Joker ) but it is nto troubling me any more than Asari that are pretty much all looking the same and are all sexy by some people standards... Heh, some people even find Quarians sexy so what...

Point is, EDI thought good looking is certainly not acting like a "dumb sexy ****" archetype. I liked the comparison with Caprica 6 which is far more than just a sexy dumb blonde.

[ghost9191]

yay for someone voicing their opinion on how another persons opinion is wrong

[Cobalt2113]

Was I the only one who never noticed a ****** on her model?

I don't know where you guys were looking when you talked to her (well actually I guess I do).

[AlexMBrennan]

Is that why people hate EDI?

Doubtful. It's just railroading again - where's the option to tell TIM to go to hell, to shoot Miranda (she's pointing a gun at your party when you first meet her...) or to distrust a Cerberus AI built with Reaper tech?
But no, you have to be best friends - e.g. if you get Miranda killed, Shepard will mournfully look at the coffin regardless.

[Legbiter]

nopantsisabela wrote...

I really liked EDI actually. Yeah, she has a very "idealized" body but what are you going to do? A synthetic created in the image of a human is obviously going to have what's considered a "standard" human body. I guess I can kind of understand people complaining about the lack of realism in video games, 'cause it's true - on the whole everyone is attractive, not overweight, etc... 

Really?

You don't get enough People of Walmart vibe in your life already? You need it in your video games too, so frumps and fatties can nod in self-satisfaction and not feel threatened.

Jesus, thanks but no thanks. Pass the cameltoe.