419 réponses à ce sujet

[plfranke]

This was Jessica Merizan's response to me when asked why Harbinger was silent in mass effect 3. What does everyone think about this?

Edit: The full conversation was this
Plfranke: Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?
Jessica Merizan: we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot.

Some people completely missed the point of this thread, I was not trying to make Jessica's response out to be insulting. My purpose was to discuss the implications that such a philosophy has when writing a story. When one has no loyalty to established plot lines and themes, the end result is very bad, which is why many people are unsatisfied with mass effect 3. This conversation may serve as some clarification to why things went the way they did and while I would never say her response was insulting, it was mind boggling and has left me disgusted with the writers of mass effect 3 if this was indeed the perspective they took to the Harbinger plot (and I can assume there were other plotlines that received the same treatment).

Modifié par plfranke, 20 août 2012 - 07:38 .

[LucasShark]

"Don't get to attached to the central aspect of a story!"

I feel a great disturbance in the force... as though millions of facepalms all occured at once, followed by silence.

[Versus Omnibus]

"Don't get too attached to a plot."

Oh, so now she tells us that. And it's only been what, nearly five years?

[Cainne Chapel]

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

[Tealjaker94]

I'm not sure what that even means.

[essarr71]

You know.. I'm sure the devs noticed just how much hate Harby got here on the ME2 boards.

I'm not disagreeing that harby should have had a larger role, mind.

Edit: As per Jes: this is hardly her first facepalm.

Modifié par essarr71, 19 août 2012 - 07:52 .

[Krimzie]

She's speaking the truth. She's not one of the writers (though I feel like she'd have good ideas if she were) and it's good advice for the player base. She loves the series so she knows as well as we do that things got scrapped. I thought the dark energy thing was going somewhere, too. And I especially thought we'd learn more about Harbinger when he threatens you so directly.

I don't think she's defending anyone by saying that.

[jstme]

It is her job to be a bridge with a customers while protecting and representing the company she works at. Not everything she says is what she really thinks, not everything she says is true and not everything she says must have any meaning other then do the job she is hired to do.
In other words, paying too much atention to PR doublespeak is counterproductive.

[hoodaticus]

Everything Bioware does and doesn't do is analyzed by BSN using an electron microscope followed by particle collider.

[Versus Omnibus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

Yeah, you're right. I jumped the gun too quickly there.

OP, if you could provide us the whole conversation we would be thankful.

[F4H bandicoot]

*spam image removed*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 20 août 2012 - 08:06 .

[phat0817]

sounds like there just trying to spread more speculation....

[plfranke]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

Sure. I can even link it to you if you want. https://twitter.com/...758994482499584
Me: Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?
Jessica: we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot

[ShepnTali]

Don't think about it too hard and you might enjoy it?

[essarr71]

plfranke wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

Sure. I can even link it to you if you want. https://twitter.com/...758994482499584
Me: Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?
Jessica: we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot

Aaaand suddenly it's a relevent response.  

[chemiclord]

Merizan was referring to "cut" content; stuff that for one reason or another didn't quite work with the direction they chose to go. I really don't think she was referring to any one specific thing. Sometimes, stuff gets cut, and it's a good idea to not get too worked up over it when they get cut. It happens for a reason.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Why do people even care about Harbinger? He was there shooting lasers at you. Did you seriously want to hear more lame one-liners?

[gorezeelar]

She's a cosplay and community manager. So obviously she wouldn't have as much heart as people who created the game or people who played the game.

@ShepnTali: If we don't think about it too hard, then we are left with the feeling that we just walk away empty-handed from one of the biggest gaming ****-you's in history.

[Versus Omnibus]

plfranke wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

Sure. I can even link it to you if you want. https://twitter.com/...758994482499584
Me: Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?
Jessica: we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot

I see.

The way she said it seemed odd and a little insulting if the context was missed.

[plfranke]

essarr71 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Maybe line could be taken out of context?

I'd have to see what the conversation was above as its all to easy to take one simple line and destroy the context that said sentence was placed in.

Care to post the whole thing so i can get a better understanding?

Sure. I can even link it to you if you want. https://twitter.com/...758994482499584
Me: Can you give an answer to why Harbinger never spoke in me3?
Jessica: we know that's what you hoped to see, but sometimes we have other ideas we want to explore - never get too attached to a plot

Aaaand suddenly it's a relevent response.  

I don't really see how what else she said makes it okay. She is talking about the primary antogonist. This isn't just some side plot or one that hadn't been heavily developed. This was a major storyline. For instance, what if mass effect 1 and 2 had been all the same and in the 3rd one the Reapers just suddenly didn't want to harvest humanity, but instead you had to deal with the dark energy problem. Would that be acceptable, because you shouldn't get too attached to a plot?

[D24O]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'm not sure what that even means.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Is this supposed to be damage control? Kinda did the opposite...

[AresKeith]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Why do people even care about Harbinger? He was there shooting lasers at you. Did you seriously want to hear more lame one-liners?

not all of us are like you, people actually did like Harbinger

[Cainne Chapel]

Yeah definately an odd choice of words, easy to be misconstrued.

She should really clarify.

But I would imagine she means that sometimes original plans change and they go a different way, who knows maybe they originally wanted us to have a space battle with ahrby and changed it?

Also by plot she could mean the sub plots as well, as there were a bunch of those and some got wrapped up and some are still dangling.

So all in all my response is *shrug*

[gorezeelar]

Remember when video game developers were actually nerds like us, who enjoy wasting time in an incredible intricate world? Now they grow up, and it's all a job to them.