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[xsdob]

Eloise K wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So did anyone try to see the tweet in context or get a confirmation this was actually legit? Or is believing everything you read on the internet without proof the new norm here?

Op, no offense but thing being the internet and all, I'm going to have to aks for a link to back up what you posted, otherwise it's all bull**** as far as I can tell.

He/she already provided a link, see the first page.

Well that's that than. Apologies op, I jumped the gun,  carry on.

Modifié par xsdob, 20 août 2012 - 12:37 .

[ZackG312]

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

[ZackG312]

I am surprised that the PR guys still have a job what the heck are they thinking.

[Ithurael]

xsdob wrote...

So did anyone try to see the tweet in context or get a confirmation this was actually legit? Or is believing everything you read on the internet without proof the new norm here?

Op, no offense but thing being the internet and all, I'm going to have to aks for a link to back up what you posted, otherwise it's all bull**** as far as I can tell.

Here you go. I understand the trepidation

twitter.com/plfranke/status/236758994482499584

It was also brought up in the reddit AMAA
nl.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yfid2/i_am_jessica_merizan_lead_community_manager_for/c5v3cbv

Item #2 in this was dealing with why Harbinger wasn't in the game as a major character. She gives a bit more jusitification much in line with what Dean_the_young was trying to disclose I think. Though Dean's chat was more about showing Harby =/= Reapers leader but rather Harby =/= "Voice" or Harbinger of reapers. IDK.

Personally - I would have taken Harbinger > Starkid as reaper leader but Starkid was more in line with "art". ME3 without shooting harbinger in the face was way to anticlimatic for me. I wanted to shoot him in the face SO damn bad for all the taunts, the colonists deaths, and every other horrible thing the reapers did.

[xsdob]

Ithurael wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So did anyone try to see the tweet in context or get a confirmation this was actually legit? Or is believing everything you read on the internet without proof the new norm here?

Op, no offense but thing being the internet and all, I'm going to have to aks for a link to back up what you posted, otherwise it's all bull**** as far as I can tell.

Here you go. I understand the trepidation

twitter.com/plfranke/status/236758994482499584

It was also brought up in the reddit AMAA
nl.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yfid2/i_am_jessica_merizan_lead_community_manager_for/c5v3cbv

Item #2 in this was dealing with why Harbinger wasn't in the game as a major character. She gives a bit more jusitification much in line with what Dean_the_young was trying to disclose I think. Though Dean's chat was more about showing Harby =/= Reapers leader but rather Harby =/= "Voice" or Harbinger of reapers. IDK.

Personally - I would have taken Harbinger > Starkid as reaper leader but Starkid was more in line with "art". ME3 without shooting harbinger in the face was way to anticlimatic for me. I wanted to shoot him in the face SO damn bad for all the taunts, the colonists deaths, and every other horrible thing the reapers did.

A little late to the party on that one, appreciate the effort though.

[D24O]

Now I don't know the full story, but reading the tweet, it doesn't seem that bad, I think she could've used a better word, but I blame the character limit for that.

[Taboo]

Ha ha charade you are.

Don't take things so seriously guys.

Go get some music and chill.

[Necrotron]

I'm sure she meant it in reference to some of the extremely passionate fans who spewed so much hatred towards the Bioware development team, that they should lighten up a little, and learn to simply enjoy the story more for what it is.

I'm certain she probably regrets saying this, seeing as it's spawning a thread on the forums. Not the wisest thing to say, but oh well, given enough time, we all let unwise phrases slip out of our mouths.

[Dean_the_Young]

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

[Memnon]

Ithurael wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So did anyone try to see the tweet in context or get a confirmation this was actually legit? Or is believing everything you read on the internet without proof the new norm here?

Op, no offense but thing being the internet and all, I'm going to have to aks for a link to back up what you posted, otherwise it's all bull**** as far as I can tell.

Here you go. I understand the trepidation

twitter.com/plfranke/status/236758994482499584

It was also brought up in the reddit AMAA
nl.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yfid2/i_am_jessica_merizan_lead_community_manager_for/c5v3cbv

Item #2 in this was dealing with why Harbinger wasn't in the game as a major character. She gives a bit more jusitification much in line with what Dean_the_young was trying to disclose I think. Though Dean's chat was more about showing Harby =/= Reapers leader but rather Harby =/= "Voice" or Harbinger of reapers. IDK.

Personally - I would have taken Harbinger > Starkid as reaper leader but Starkid was more in line with "art". ME3 without shooting harbinger in the face was way to anticlimatic for me. I wanted to shoot him in the face SO damn bad for all the taunts, the colonists deaths, and every other horrible thing the reapers did.

Her second comment doesn't make sense to me:
 

Jessica Merizan

I don't believe so but that is far above my pay grade! 2) Harby as he's affectionately called is just one of many many reapers. He was important in ME2 because he was the herald, the reaper who scouted ahead and foreshadowed what was to come. There's lots of great plots and unfortunately we can't shed light onto all of them. I can't say that we won't expand on Harbinger's purpose either, so try Leviathan   

 

He's a 'herald?' I thought Sovereign was the "scout" and Harbinger was out in darkspace with all the other Reapers. In either case, Harbinger is described as the "oldest and largest" in the codex, and I would rather have a confrontation with him than that damn kid ...

Modifié par Stornskar, 20 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Bathaius wrote...

I'm sure she meant it in reference to some of the extremely passionate fans who spewed so much hatred towards the Bioware development team, that they should lighten up a little, and learn to simply enjoy the story more for what it is.

I'm certain she probably regrets saying this, seeing as it's spawning a thread on the forums. Not the wisest thing to say, but oh well, given enough time, we all let unwise phrases slip out of our mouths.

She really doesn't have anything to regret considering it's a pretty non-controversial fact: not all plot threads are continued as one might like, if they're continued at all, and so getting too invested in one is never a good idea. Armistice Banes, Geth religion, even ME1 character development like Ashley, Kaiden, Garrus and Tali were never carried over in ME2, and most ME1 threads didn't amount to much in 2 either.

About the only thing Miss Merizan should regret not including is the word 'thread', something that should be more than obvious given the context but which could have hand-held the people who misunderstand her comment and conflate it to her saying that the plot doesn't matter.

[ZackG312]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

Yes I did, but after playing through Mass Effect 3 I dont even feel like playing Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2. Tried playing but got up citadel in ME1 and just stopped.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ithurael wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So did anyone try to see the tweet in context or get a confirmation this was actually legit? Or is believing everything you read on the internet without proof the new norm here?

Op, no offense but thing being the internet and all, I'm going to have to aks for a link to back up what you posted, otherwise it's all bull**** as far as I can tell.

Here you go. I understand the trepidation

twitter.com/plfranke/status/236758994482499584

It was also brought up in the reddit AMAA
nl.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/yfid2/i_am_jessica_merizan_lead_community_manager_for/c5v3cbv

Item #2 in this was dealing with why Harbinger wasn't in the game as a major character. She gives a bit more jusitification much in line with what Dean_the_young was trying to disclose I think. Though Dean's chat was more about showing Harby =/= Reapers leader but rather Harby =/= "Voice" or Harbinger of reapers. IDK.

Harbinger is the voice of the Reapers, not the leader, sums up my position.

Personally - I would have taken Harbinger > Starkid as reaper leader but Starkid was more in line with "art". ME3 without shooting harbinger in the face was way to anticlimatic for me. I wanted to shoot him in the face SO damn bad for all the taunts, the colonists deaths, and every other horrible thing the reapers did.

In all honesty, the Reapers didn't need a 'leader' per say, but the lack of one would have made the Control outcome (which seems to have been a long-intended outcome) more difficult to justify. Say what you will about the Star Child, but by having the Catalyst control the Reapers it does become more coherent to then be able to control the Catalyst through the Crucible.

In lieu of a leader, Harbinger would have been a more than respectable exposition figure for the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

ZackG312 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

Yes I did, but after playing through Mass Effect 3 I dont even feel like playing Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2. Tried playing but got up citadel in ME1 and just stopped.

How many hourss of enjoyment did you get from the Mass Effect series before you stopped enjoying it? One 'complete' playthrough, all sidequests included, of about 100 hours? 200 hours? 

[ZackG312]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

Yes I did, but after playing through Mass Effect 3 I dont even feel like playing Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2. Tried playing but got up citadel in ME1 and just stopped.

How many hourss of enjoyment did you get from the Mass Effect series before you stopped enjoying it? One 'complete' playthrough, all sidequests included, of about 100 hours? 200 hours? 

I completed ME1 three times, around 32 hours average each play through, completed ME 2 two times around 28 hours each, and finished Mass Effect 3 one time took me 28 hours.

[Codename_Code]

"Shepard is in some special part of the citadel with london-like ruble at the end " . - Merizan

Is she confirming IT or struggling with her thoughts as usual ?

[Dean_the_Young]

Stornskar wrote...

He's a 'herald?' I thought Sovereign was the "scout" and Harbinger was out in darkspace with all the other Reapers. In either case, Harbinger is described as the "oldest and largest" in the codex, and I would rather have a confrontation with him than that damn kid ...

Sovereign was regularly described as the Vanguard of the Reaper force. A Vanguard is the foremost position of movement or military force heading into conflict: Sovereign fulfilled that in its role as the lead Reaper of the invasion, and the battle of the Citadel.

A harbinger is literally described as one that indicates or foreshadows what is to come. It ; a forerunner. It is similar to a Vanguard in that both preceed a greater body, but the roles are different: a Vanguard fights, while a harbinger speaks or represents.

In the case of Harbinger, he speaks and foreshadows through the proxies of the Collectors.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

plfranke wrote...

This was Jessica Merizan's response to me when asked why Harbinger was silent in mass effect 3. What does everyone think about this?

I agree if I hadn't been so attached, it wouldn't have annoyed the **** outa me, but thankfully Bioware have successfully made it so I won't ever get attached to any plot of any further games they make.

[M920CAIN]

 List of people who you should never listen to or take seriously:Mac WaltersCasey HudsonMike GambleDavid SilvermanJessica Merizan
OK, I added her to the list. Now what?  

[Commander Castillo]

She should be fired

[Dean_the_Young]

ZackG312 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

Yes I did, but after playing through Mass Effect 3 I dont even feel like playing Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2. Tried playing but got up citadel in ME1 and just stopped.

How many hourss of enjoyment did you get from the Mass Effect series before you stopped enjoying it? One 'complete' playthrough, all sidequests included, of about 100 hours? 200 hours? 

I completed ME1 three times, around 32 hours average each play through, completed ME 2 two times around 28 hours each, and finished Mass Effect 3 one time took me 28 hours.

Since you didn't say that you hated all of ME3, we'll assume it was the ending you didn't like.

For 200 dollars you got roughly 180 hours of satisfaction. You paid roughly one dollar and twelve cents per hour of entertainment. By comparison, an eight dollar movie theatre ticket for a 3 hour movie is a ratio of 2.66, over twice that.


It's hard to call 200 dollars of entertainmented 'wasted' if it kept you entertained so long for so cheaply.

[SnakeEyes]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

M0keys wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

"don't get too attached to a plot" then what is the reason for playing the games

For the plots as a whole, rather than fixating on one plot in particular.

Focusing on a subplot is like fixating on a character: it's all fun and fine so long as it matches your personal desires, but the moment the author's direction diverges from yours you're going to have problems.

but harbinger was the bad guy

Correction: Harbinger was a bad guy. One of many. Of the many Reapers, his only distinguishing role was puppet master of the Collectors, which Shepard killed.

This. Harbinger is not the Reaper end-boss, he is a herald of the things to come. He is simply nothing more than a messenger for the Reaper hivemind.

[BeastSaver]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Ugh: THEY CHARACTERIZED him to be the leader, they surrounded him with signs reading "this guy is important"

His importance was as a Harbinger and Collectors. The first was obsolete when the role was fulfilled: the second was destroyed.

You projected him to be the leader, without solid grounds.

If his name had any bearing on it, why wasn't Sovreign named "the unpopular fat one with achney we voted to stay behind on the most boring thankless task in history".

Because Saren named Sovereign, and gave his own justification for the name.

Otherwise, Sovereign was referred to as the Vanguard... again, establishing the role. Sovereign's role had far more direct implications over the rest of the Reapers than Harbinger was ever suggested to have.

According to Legion in ME2, Sovereign's called itself Nazarra if I remember correctly

[The Spamming Troll]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

She should of said so when Mass Effect 1 came out would have saved me more $200 in games and DLC 

Did you enjoy ME1?

Did you enjoy ME2?

Did you enjoy ME1 or ME2 or even ME3's DLC?

i didnt enjoy ME2 or ME3. but i loved and played the hell out of ME1.

whats your theory for me?

[Versus Omnibus]

BeastSaver wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Ugh: THEY CHARACTERIZED him to be the leader, they surrounded him with signs reading "this guy is important"

His importance was as a Harbinger and Collectors. The first was obsolete when the role was fulfilled: the second was destroyed.

You projected him to be the leader, without solid grounds.

If his name had any bearing on it, why wasn't Sovreign named "the unpopular fat one with achney we voted to stay behind on the most boring thankless task in history".

Because Saren named Sovereign, and gave his own justification for the name.

Otherwise, Sovereign was referred to as the Vanguard... again, establishing the role. Sovereign's role had far more direct implications over the rest of the Reapers than Harbinger was ever suggested to have.

According to Legion in ME2, Sovereign's called itself Nazarra if I remember correctly

Correct: Nazara, if what I read is true, is Old Turkish for "he who watches, or observer".