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[WarGriffin]

but ME's Plot is it's claim to Greatness right?


So I shouldn't care about the thing that is suppose to be the focus point of the Series?

[BeastSaver]

Never mind

Modifié par BeastSaver, 20 août 2012 - 02:34 .

[jackkel dragon]

WarGriffin wrote...

but ME's Plot is it's claim to Greatness right?


So I shouldn't care about the thing that is suppose to be the focus point of the Series?

Why are people still missing the point after I spent an hour trying to clear it up?

She's not saying to disregard the story of Mass Effect. She's saying that you shouldn't get attached to a particular plotline within that story, as it may not be followed up on. In fact, it's great advice. Dozens of plot hooks from ME1 and ME2 never made it into later games. It's only when you try to take it at face value without the full context that you can come to the conlcusion that she's telling you not to care about the story.

[Gruntburner]

Wow, the OP has the magical power to remove the context out of any conversation! We must learn how to properly harness this gift.

[Goneaviking]

The RPGenius wrote...

I have too many responses to this to select only one. For those reading this post, feel free to select your favorite of the following:

A. It takes a very special company to let their employees instruct consumers not to care about their product.
B. Funny, Bioware never seemed to think that when being known for having high-quality and very engaging plots was basically their meal ticket for 14 years.
C. Well, if they practice what they preach at all, this certainly explains a lot about Mass Effect 3's ending.
D. I gotta admit, that EA puts on one heck of a show. You can barely see its lips move when they're working the Jessica dummy.
E. It's hard to decide which task words are more inadequate for--describing the stupidity of Jessica Merizan, or the pleasure I'll feel at the launch of each Mass Effect 3 DLC as I don't buy it.
F. August 19, 2012: Bioware decides it's tired of having fans.

You are a beautiful and unique snowflake, so I will respond to each of your comments in order.

a) That's not what she said. She indicated that not every story point can be picked up and expanded upon as much as they would like to do do so, it just isn't viable. Also, stories change with time and if they entire series isn't planned out in excrutiating detail beforehand the final product will likely be very different than expected - even if it is it'll probably be different than expected anyway.
They still put out a very high quality product, as much as unhappy as I was with the ending I've been able to go back and play ME3 four times so far, started number 5 last night. Willing to bet they'll win their reputation back, if it's actually been lost.
c) Given that they refused to buckle about their endings I'm going to go and say that they're willing to stand behind the quality of their product, offereing on clarification and a measure of closure. If what was offered wasn't enough to please you it's unfortunate, but an olive branch was offered and it's up to you to accept it or not.
d) If personal insults are how you want to take it:  You're fat and smell like old people.
e) Also very petty and shortsighted. By pledging not to buy any ME3 products beyond what you already have you have successfully made your opinion meaningless and irrelevant. Congratulations.
f) August 19, 2012: Internet forum users once again demonstrate their intention to be angry, and their willingness to fabricate excuses to accomplish that goal. It's inspiring really.

[Goneaviking]

The RPGenius wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Witty, but missing a point. Bioware doesn't deserve more fans like you.

Well, I certainly agree that Bioware doesn't deserve my patronage, but if you don't want me to be a Bioware customer, then why'd you get so upset at my previous statements, which said that I wasn't going to buy from them, and implied I wasn't a fan?  You just look silly if you go and agree with me after kicking up such a fuss.

You make me laugh.

But then I feel guilty.

[chidingewe8036]

In The Words of Admiral Anderson to Jessica - "they own you now, listen to yourself your.......INDOCTRINATED!!!!!!"

[MattFini]

I agree with Miss Merizan in general, because things do change. Writers get different ideas/try new things and so on...

But certain things, like the significance of the human reaper or the fact the the reapers suddenly were able to travel through dark space MUCH quicker, are inexcusable.

I mean, if you can't adhere to the previous games then don't do a trilogy.

[RiouHotaru]

Mr.House wrote...

This makes NO sense. Not to mention a poor excuse for Harbinger's role in ME3. Why can't Bioware just state the truth. They either forgot about Harbinger, didn't care about making the main villian of ME2 have a small role or where just too lazy. Things like this qoute just create more disconnect between fans and Bioware.

 Why can't Bioware just state the truth.

State the truth

...Are you serious?  This IS the truth.  Besides, how much did people gripe how terrible Harbinger was in ME2 with his, and I quote, "Saturday Morning cartoon villain routine"-style lines.  He was meant to be something that harassed Shepard, but he was in no shape or form a main antagonist.  Hell, ME2's thing was that the Collectors were the antagonist, but spent so little time in the spotlight.  But Harbinger was the 'Man Behind The Man', nothing more.

And really, her line isn't insulting in the slightest, and it makes perfect sense.  You can't expect them to follow up on every single plot-line.  BIOWARE (not us) has to decide which plots they think are important.  Besides, Harbinger's total screen-time is something under a minute long, probably less than 30 seconds.

What would be the point of him saying anything, he'd have time for one line, at most.

[garrusfan1]

What you need to realize OP is that bioware picks the worst people to speak for them. Honestly my favorite was when (I think Mac Walters I could be wrong) the war assets question was answered. It was why didn't you show the war assets (or something along those lines) and he answered we didn't think the fans wanted that. I mean wow that is the best answer you could think of

[garrusfan1]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

In The Words of Admiral Anderson to Jessica - "they own you now, listen to yourself your.......INDOCTRINATED!!!!!!"

Wow that was perfect

[Doctoglethorpe]

Maybe nobody should get attached to a franchise while were at it.  I'm sure Bioware would agree, at least until EA curb stomps some business sense into them. 


Seriously though thats ubsurd thing to say.  She gets off as just being an ignorant fool sinse shes not a writer.  Now if Walters said that I'd flip my desk and never buy anything he was involved in again. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 20 août 2012 - 03:35 .

[RiouHotaru]

garrusfan1 wrote...

What you need to realize OP is that bioware picks the worst people to speak for them. Honestly my favorite was when (I think Mac Walters I could be wrong) the war assets question was answered. It was why didn't you show the war assets (or something along those lines) and he answered we didn't think the fans wanted that. I mean wow that is the best answer you could think of

No it's that their fans pick apart everything and take everything as an insult or out of context.

[Goneaviking]

RiouHotaru wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

What you need to realize OP is that bioware picks the worst people to speak for them. Honestly my favorite was when (I think Mac Walters I could be wrong) the war assets question was answered. It was why didn't you show the war assets (or something along those lines) and he answered we didn't think the fans wanted that. I mean wow that is the best answer you could think of

No it's that their fans pick apart everything and take everything as an insult or out of context.

Or as in this case, actively distort it.

[SpamBot2000]

Come on folks, I get you're frustrated with getting ignored by BW. But this is getting pretty ugly. 'twas an unfortunate faux-pas, nothing more.

[garrusfan1]

Goneaviking I am sorry I saw that a while ago and they used it as a quote

[MacNasty]

Gruntburner wrote...

Wow, the OP has the magical power to remove the context out of any conversation! We must learn how to properly harness this gift.

Watch any newstation in America. You'll learn pretty fast... Well, either that, or just to forget important things...
Also, she didn't sound like she was trying to be offensive.

[mad825]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

mad825 wrote...

Sounds like the phase is incomplete.

A more meaningful way of saying it...

Don't get too attached to a plot because we didn't

<_<
Look, I know what means but isn't this why we invested ourselves with ME in the first place? Whatever, too little too late.

Unless you invested yourself in every single side mission or subplot, no. You didn't. ME2 didn't do it for ME1 either.

Okay, you're taking it too far.

ME was sold on the basis of it's plot and story. Also, the point of the codex system is to provide context for the plot. It's reverse psychology at it's worse because she's telling us not to care when they're trying ever so hard to  get us hooked.

Modifié par mad825, 20 août 2012 - 03:59 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Goneaviking wrote...


Or as in this case, actively distort it.

It wasn't though.

I hate it when statements are taken out of context but this one wasn't.  She essentially says "Don't get too attached to a plot thread, we might abandon it or alter it beyond recognition later.  Go with the flow and don't worry about inconsistencies"

How is that okay?  Thats horrible story telling and even worse story consuming.  The whole point of a good story is to get attached and immersed in it.  Inconsistencies break that attachment.  Now they say "well then don't get attached."  They may as well be saying "Don't like our story." 


Its one thing for inconsistencies and little plot hoels to happen on accident.  Thats just how it is with almost any writer.  Its tolerable.  But if they are in the mind set that they don't care and they don't think their fans should either, thats just aweful.  But as I said, since she's not a writer, I'm passing it off as ignorance.  If Walters said it, well I would lose all hope for anything hes involved in ever again. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 20 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[Jadebaby]

It means she wants a starfridge microwave with heating gyrocopters patrolling the musical treetrunk front.

[Kelwing]

LucasShark wrote...

"Don't get to attached to the central aspect of a story!"

I feel a great disturbance in the force... as though millions of facepalms all occured at once, followed by silence.

This made me laugh.

Modifié par Kelwing, 20 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...


Or as in this case, actively distort it.

It wasn't though.

I hate it when statements are taken out of context but this one wasn't.  She essentially says "Don't get too attached to a plot thread, we might abandon it or alter it beyond recognition later.  Go with the flow and don't worry about inconsistencies"

How is that okay?  Thats horrible story telling and even worse story consuming.  The whole point of a good story is to get attached and immersed in it.  Inconsistencies break that attachment.  Now they say "well then don't get attached."  They may as well be saying "Don't like our story." 


Its one thing for inconsistencies and little plot hoels to happen on accident.  Thats just how it is with almost any writer.  Its tolerable.  But if they are in the mind set that they don't care and they don't think their fans should either, thats just aweful.  But as I said, since she's not a writer, I'm passing it off as ignorance.  If Walters said it, well I would lose all hope for anything hes involved in ever again. 

It gets worse. I can't find the quotes thread now, but among the pre-release quotes was one that said 'who remembers what they did eight years ago?', referring to Mass Effect 1 and its plot. (Yes, I am aware that ME hasn't been around for eight years, but apparently HE didn't!)

[Gruntburner]

@MacNasty

It doesn't matter is she was trying to be offensive. What the OP did was take a quote out of context and present it as if Jessica was referring to the whole plot. All this does is feed to people's "anything Bioware does is awful" mindset, creating a post that would have undoubtedly fueled misinformed arguments against Bioware. This is horribly unproductive to any reasonable discussion.

[Han Shot First]

n/m

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 août 2012 - 05:47 .