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[ObserverStatus]

Hannah Montana wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...
I hate overly sexualized signatures.

That is appropriate, your guys sigs are not.
Two people groping eachother is disgusting.

You're absolutely right, Bioware worked hard to sculpt dat ass.  Your sig bar isn't nearly as tacky!

[Bill Casey]

For god's sake it's ONE SECTION...
Everything Kotaku is talking about is in the preview video and all on one map...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[Beep Il]

Justin2k wrote...

Lets put it another way.

If you are gay, do you have no interest whatsoever in Tali, the straight love interest. Do you not care what she has to say, do you not want to check in on her? I should imagine most of you do. Why? Because she is not defined by the fact that she is straight. She will talk to you about her home, she'll talk to you about the Geth, she'll be great for all players.

Steve doesn't have that. His first interaction is about his dead gay husband. Then shortly after his husband is put away he's in a nightclub hitting on you. There is nothing about him besides his sexuality. There is nothing to make him appeal to a straight person as a character, there is no comaradarie. He's simply the go-to option for a gay relationship.

That isn't homophobic, it's just noticing bad writing. I skip scenes with him because I could care less about him. If Garrus was the gay option, i'd still be checking in on him in the armory because he's a well written character.

They did a decent job with Traynor the lesbian option, who improves in character development as the game goes on. So why not with Steve? They just seemed content to stick a gay man in a corner and say "this ones gay, go for it". You can shout homophobia all you like, but I have nothing against him being gay. I just dislike that that is all there is to him.

And yet you cry about Steve getting that content which would make him "a better written character."
Go figure.

[Hannah Montana]

IsaacShep wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Lets put it another way.

If you are gay, do you have no interest whatsoever in Tali, the straight love interest. Do you not care what she has to say, do you not want to check in on her? I should imagine most of you do. Why? Because she is not defined by the fact that she is straight. She will talk to you about her home, she'll talk to you about the Geth, she'll be great for all players.

Steve doesn't have that. His first interaction is about his dead gay husband. Then shortly after his husband is put away he's in a nightclub hitting on you. There is nothing about him besides his sexuality. There is nothing to make him appeal to a straight person as a character, there is no comaradarie. He's simply the go-to option for a gay relationship.

That isn't homophobic, it's just noticing bad writing. I skip scenes with him because I could care less about him. If Garrus was the gay option, i'd still be checking in on him in the armory because he's a well written character.

They did a decent job with Traynor the lesbian option, who improves in character development as the game goes on. So why not with Steve? They just seemed content to stick a gay man in a corner and say "this ones gay, go for it". You can shout homophobia all you like, but I have nothing against him being gay. I just dislike that that is all there is to him.

Did I see you whining that Kasumi is defined by nothing but her heterosexuality? First conversation with her is about her dead boyfriend and then an entire mission about it and then she hits on Jacob etc.

Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

[Cartims]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

If Steve worked with me I'd file an HR report for sexual harassment.

Don't worry...gay people have good taste, you are safe.

[Beep Il]

Hannah Montana wrote...
Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

A moot point. I didn't know Steve was a romance option until my second playthrough.

[Justin2k]

IsaacShep wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Lets put it another way.

If you are gay, do you have no interest whatsoever in Tali, the straight love interest. Do you not care what she has to say, do you not want to check in on her? I should imagine most of you do. Why? Because she is not defined by the fact that she is straight. She will talk to you about her home, she'll talk to you about the Geth, she'll be great for all players.

Steve doesn't have that. His first interaction is about his dead gay husband. Then shortly after his husband is put away he's in a nightclub hitting on you. There is nothing about him besides his sexuality. There is nothing to make him appeal to a straight person as a character, there is no comaradarie. He's simply the go-to option for a gay relationship.

That isn't homophobic, it's just noticing bad writing. I skip scenes with him because I could care less about him. If Garrus was the gay option, i'd still be checking in on him in the armory because he's a well written character.

They did a decent job with Traynor the lesbian option, who improves in character development as the game goes on. So why not with Steve? They just seemed content to stick a gay man in a corner and say "this ones gay, go for it". You can shout homophobia all you like, but I have nothing against him being gay. I just dislike that that is all there is to him.

Did I see you whining that Kasumi is defined by nothing but her heterosexuality? First conversation with her is about her dead boyfriend and then an entire mission about it and then she hits on Jacob etc.

You are right.  Kasumi was also a badly written character.  She had much more personality than Steve, but still a badly written character.  However Kasumi was an optional DLC and they had barely any character development time for her.  They had all the time in ME3 development to make Steve appeal to everyone, and not just gays.  Having failed to do that, they shouldn't then shoehorn him into the final mission and things.  He may be important to gay people, but I haven't met a straight person who didn't think he was just a big advertisment for gays.  There is nothing about his character at all to appeal to anyone who isn't gay.

[shepskisaac]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

So you were complaining because she didn't want to sleep with your Shep. I mean, this is just too easy

Justin2k wrote...

You are right.  Kasumi was also a badly written character.  She had much more personality than Steve, but still a badly written character.  However Kasumi was an optional DLC and they had barely any character development time for her.  They had all the time in ME3 development to make Steve appeal to everyone, and not just gays.  Having failed to do that, they shouldn't then shoehorn him into the final mission and things.  He may be important to gay people, but I haven't met a straight person who didn't think he was just a big advertisment for gays.  There is nothing about his character at all to appeal to anyone who isn't gay.

You're in minority who thinks Kasumi was badly written. She's a popular and liked character, even though her story is about dead lover. Newsflash. That may be interesting to everyone, not just those who want to hook up with Kasumi. And how is Steve a one big advertisement for gays? I failed to notice when he talked best gay clubs on the Citadel or what kind of guys he likes. Instead, he was talking ships and drinking with Vega. OMG so gay!

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 août 2012 - 06:23 .

[Bill Casey]

Steve doesn't hit on Shepard at the bar...
Shepard has to go "Hey, I'm eye candy too! what about me? Steve? Steve? STTTTEEEEEEEEVEEEE!!!"

[Fiery Phoenix]

And now the thread is officially shot twice in the gut and decapitated.

Well done, forums.

[Hannah Montana]

IsaacShep wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

So you were complaining because she didn't want to sleep with your Shep. I mean, this is just too easy

She wasn't easy at all.
Steve is easy, he is basically begging you to date him.

And my first two playthrough's was with femshep, she felt threatened by his presence. 

Modifié par Hannah Montana, 20 août 2012 - 06:22 .

[Justin2k]

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Lets put it another way.

If you are gay, do you have no interest whatsoever in Tali, the straight love interest. Do you not care what she has to say, do you not want to check in on her? I should imagine most of you do. Why? Because she is not defined by the fact that she is straight. She will talk to you about her home, she'll talk to you about the Geth, she'll be great for all players.

Steve doesn't have that. His first interaction is about his dead gay husband. Then shortly after his husband is put away he's in a nightclub hitting on you. There is nothing about him besides his sexuality. There is nothing to make him appeal to a straight person as a character, there is no comaradarie. He's simply the go-to option for a gay relationship.

That isn't homophobic, it's just noticing bad writing. I skip scenes with him because I could care less about him. If Garrus was the gay option, i'd still be checking in on him in the armory because he's a well written character.

They did a decent job with Traynor the lesbian option, who improves in character development as the game goes on. So why not with Steve? They just seemed content to stick a gay man in a corner and say "this ones gay, go for it". You can shout homophobia all you like, but I have nothing against him being gay. I just dislike that that is all there is to him.

And yet you cry about Steve getting that content which would make him "a better written character."
Go figure.

Will it though?  Do you really think a little bit of DLC is going to improve him?  The majority of players would rather have a character they like/identify with to accompany us through Leviathan.  You're gay and you're happy with this sub-par character as your gay option, great.  But most people just didn't like him.  Nothing to do with sexuality.  As said before if you are not gay Steve doesn't offer anything to make you like or care about him.

Honestly, if you had an out and out **** as a straight option, who's husband just died and she's pouncing on you in a nightclub, I'd turn it down.  Most gay people I know are not like that.  This Steve is just purely about sex.  His husband died and he's jumping on Shepard???  That puts gays in a bad light and gives credence to the "its just a sexual fetish" crowd in my opinion.  If I were gay, I'd be clambering Bioware to write a realistic, good gay character and not just cram it in for the sake of it.

[Ravensword]

So, how about that Leviathan, eh? It's the Leviathan of Dis, right? Oldest Reaper, no? Perhaps we'll learn about the origin of the Reapers? We can pray that the Reaper's revealed origin won't be as crappy as the ending?

[Cartims]

Hannah Montana wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

So you were complaining because she didn't want to sleep with your Shep. I mean, this is just too easy

She wasn't easy at all.
Steve is easy, he is basically begging you to date him.

And my first two playthrough's was with femshep, she felt threatened by his presence. 

So....your femshep was a wuss...tis a pity.

[MageTarot]

Rubios wrote...

They should retcon Robert into Roberta, that would make the character much better.

Mom, get off the computer, ok?

[shepskisaac]

Justin2k wrote...

Honestly, if you had an out and out **** as a straight option, who's husband just died and she's pouncing on you in a nightclub, I'd turn it down.  Most gay people I know are not like that.  This Steve is just purely about sex.  His husband died and he's jumping on Shepard???  That puts gays in a bad light and gives credence to the "its just a sexual fetish" crowd in my opinion.  If I were gay, I'd be clambering Bioware to write a realistic, good gay character and not just cram it in for the sake of it.

It's been a year since his husband died. Why can't he get involved with someone? Is Kasumi putting straight people in a bad light because she's attracted to Jacob after she lost her partner? What is this nonsense

[Hannah Montana]

Cartims wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Yeah, a lot of us were whining.
We knew she wouldn't sleep with us from that point.

So you were complaining because she didn't want to sleep with your Shep. I mean, this is just too easy

She wasn't easy at all.
Steve is easy, he is basically begging you to date him.

And my first two playthrough's was with femshep, she felt threatened by his presence. 

So....your femshep was a wuss...tis a pity.

She was not a wuss, she just didn't want a crying guy in the cargo bay stealing all the attention from her.
James was pretty tight with Cortez already, so she felt angry.

Modifié par Hannah Montana, 20 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[Justin2k]

IsaacShep wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

You are right.  Kasumi was also a badly written character.  She had much more personality than Steve, but still a badly written character.  However Kasumi was an optional DLC and they had barely any character development time for her.  They had all the time in ME3 development to make Steve appeal to everyone, and not just gays.  Having failed to do that, they shouldn't then shoehorn him into the final mission and things.  He may be important to gay people, but I haven't met a straight person who didn't think he was just a big advertisment for gays.  There is nothing about his character at all to appeal to anyone who isn't gay.

Y

ou're in minority who thinks Kasumi was badly written. She's a popular and liked character, even though her story is about dead lover. Newsflash. That may be interesting to everyone, not just those who want to hook up with Kasumi. And how is Steve a one big advertisement for gays? I failed to notice when he talked best gay clubs on the Citadel or what kind of guys he likes. Instead, he was talking ships and drinking with Vega. OMG so gay!

Oh she's popular and liked sure.  She's great, i loved her.  But she was badly written.   There isn't really much to her, which is to be expected given development time and her being an afterthought to make money on DLC.  I won't talk you around, however I advise you to go watch Torchwood, Brothers and Sisters and Six feet under and check out some gay characters who don't announce their sexuality when they first shake hands with someone, and don't hit on someone just months after burying the love of their life.  He's gay for the sake of gay, nothing more nothing less.  If they didn't want a gay character, we wouldn't have a pilot in ME3.  If you cannot see that, you are blind.

[Beep Il]

Justin2k wrote...

Will it though?  Do you really think a little bit of DLC is going to improve him?  The majority of players would rather have a character they like/identify with to accompany us through Leviathan.  You're gay and you're happy with this sub-par character as your gay option, great.  But most people just didn't like him.  Nothing to do with sexuality.  As said before if you are not gay Steve doesn't offer anything to make you like or care about him.

First of all, you missed all the irony.
Second of all, what proof do you have (see bolded text). This thread has more people who are cool with him than those who don't like him. The latter group is just very vocal about it.

Justin2k wrote...
Honestly, if you had an out and out **** as a straight option, who's husband just died and she's pouncing on you in a nightclub, I'd turn it down.  Most gay people I know are not like that.  This Steve is just purely about sex.  His husband died and he's jumping on Shepard???  That puts gays in a bad light and gives credence to the "its just a sexual fetish" crowd in my opinion.  If I were gay, I'd be clambering Bioware to write a realistic, good gay character and not just cram it in for the sake of it.

Steve's a well written character. That's an opinion. And I'm not only talking about his romance sub-plot which you'd like to focus on.
Most gays here on BSN have not felt that they were put on a bad light (as far as I know). You don't even know what you're talking about.

All in all, your post is based on a loose ground. Thus it's doomed to fail.

[The Angry One]

Hannah Montana wrote...

She was not a wuss, she just didn't want a crying guy in the cargo bay stealing all the attention from her.
James was pretty tight with Cortez already, so she felt angry.

... so your Shep spends time crying for attention? I don't understand what you're saying here.

[Ravensword]

Nyoka wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So, how about that Leviathan, eh? It's the Leviathan of Dis, right? Oldest Reaper, no? Perhaps we'll learn about the origin of the Reapers? We can pray that the Reaper's revealed origin won't be as crappy as the ending?

Nice try.
Now let's get back to not liking Cortez!

I don't dislike Cortez.

I think he's a cool guy. Eh flies the shuttle and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Hannah Montana]

The Angry One wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

She was not a wuss, she just didn't want a crying guy in the cargo bay stealing all the attention from her.
James was pretty tight with Cortez already, so she felt angry.

... so your Shep spends time crying for attention? I don't understand what you're saying here.

The English I used didn't suggest that at all.
I don't see where you're coming from.

[sheppard7]

Bill Casey wrote...

Steve doesn't hit on Shepard at the bar...
Shepard has to go "Hey, I'm eye candy too! what about me? Steve? Steve? STTTTEEEEEEEEVEEEE!!!"

Btw, is this true?

Steve never hit on my Shep. It was a bro type talks they had and I never tried with Steve since Shep was with Ash. Unlike Anders in DA2, you can be nice to Steve without getting all "I got to sleep with you". That's one thing I think BW improved on at least is not making it seem like just being nice to someone means you want them in your bed.

Very little else they improved on though.

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 06:34 .