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[ForceXev]

OP here with some replies:

-- "You hate Steve."
I never said I hate Steve.  He's OK, but he's just not an interesting or significant enough character to carry a DLC story.  I would be equally disappointed with Traynor, Allers, Engineer Adams, or any other "minor" character as the main character of a DLC.  It makes no sense to feature those secondary characters when ME is loaded with some of the best and most fully developed characters ever seen in video games.

-- "You're a homophobe."
I never mentioned his sexuality, and I think it's completely irrelevant to this discussion. 

-- "You're jumping to conclusions"
I think it's a pretty good educated guess.  Based on past Bioware DLCs, there is usually one character who has the bulk of the dialogue.  We know that Steve has quite a lot of dialogue in Leviathan, already more than he has in any other mission in the main game in just the brief section of Leviathan we have seen (see video).  So yes it is an assumption, but it seems like a reasonable assumption to me that Steve is going to be that character in Leviathan who does most of the talking.

-- "Squadmates talk in Leviathan"
Yes, I saw in the above link that James has a couple lines.  I would rather have a DLC that is more focused on one or more of those characters instead of them just having a couple token lines during the fighting, but it is good that they are at least not mute like in most of the ME2 DLC.  Unfortunately, at the end of the clip Shepard goes off on his own, so we don't know if and when Shepard ever gets back with his squadmates through the rest of the DLC.  The rest of it could be a solo mission like The Arrival.

Modifié par ForceXev, 20 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[Justin2k]

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Will it though?  Do you really think a little bit of DLC is going to improve him?  The majority of players would rather have a character they like/identify with to accompany us through Leviathan.  You're gay and you're happy with this sub-par character as your gay option, great.  But most people just didn't like him.  Nothing to do with sexuality.  As said before if you are not gay Steve doesn't offer anything to make you like or care about him.

First of all, you missed all the irony.
Second of all, what proof do you have (see bolded text). This thread has more people who are cool with him than those who don't like him. The latter group is just very vocal about it.

More or less everyone posting in favour of Steve's character are gay.  Which makes sense.  Because if you followed the romance plot then you're going to like him.  

I don't see too many straight people on this thread.  Although there were plenty when the game came out and most straight people didn't care for him.

I don't think you'd find that many people who would prefer him to have hundreds of lines of dialogue over Liara, Tali or any of the more popular characters.  

[shepskisaac]

Justin2k wrote...

Oh she's popular and liked sure.  She's great, i loved her.  But she was badly written.   There isn't really much to her, which is to be expected given development time and her being an afterthought to make money on DLC.  I won't talk you around, however I advise you to go watch Torchwood, Brothers and Sisters and Six feet under and check out some gay characters who don't announce their sexuality when they first shake hands with someone, and don't hit on someone just months after burying the love of their life.  He's gay for the sake of gay, nothing more nothing less.  If they didn't want a gay character, we wouldn't have a pilot in ME3.  If you cannot see that, you are blind.

And I advise you to stop being a hypocrite. You started with "I don't want gays shoved in my vidya games!!!11" nonsense, now you act like a 'concerned player for gay characters'? Who do you think will buy this? You would never complain if this was about Kasumi being in Leviathan DLC, you would never bring up "she's just there to advertise heterosexuality" so don't pretend now

sheppard7 wrote...

Btw, is this true?

Of course it is. He won't ask you to dance unless you tell him that you're jealous that he's not looking at you. And after that, you have to pick another option - "I want more than friendship" while dancing with him, to start the romance (just telling him you're jealous isn't enough). Otherwise he will think you're just dancing like a friend with him and he will give you a drink.

But yes, he's so jumping at you omg!!!11

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 août 2012 - 06:38 .

[The Angry One]

Hannah Montana wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

She was not a wuss, she just didn't want a crying guy in the cargo bay stealing all the attention from her.
James was pretty tight with Cortez already, so she felt angry.

... so your Shep spends time crying for attention? I don't understand what you're saying here.

The English I used didn't suggest that at all.
I don't see where you're coming from.

> Crying guy in cargo bay who steals the attention from Shepard.

Why is he stealing attention by "crying"? What attention? From who? Why does Shepard need such attention?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

IsaacShep wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Oh she's popular and liked sure.  She's great, i loved her.  But she was badly written.   There isn't really much to her, which is to be expected given development time and her being an afterthought to make money on DLC.  I won't talk you around, however I advise you to go watch Torchwood, Brothers and Sisters and Six feet under and check out some gay characters who don't announce their sexuality when they first shake hands with someone, and don't hit on someone just months after burying the love of their life.  He's gay for the sake of gay, nothing more nothing less.  If they didn't want a gay character, we wouldn't have a pilot in ME3.  If you cannot see that, you are blind.

And I advise you to stop being a hypocrite. You started with "I don't want gays shoved in my vidya games!!!11" nonsense, now you act like a 'concerned player for gay characters'? Who do you think will buy this? You would never complain if this was about Kasumi being in Leviathan DLC, you would never bring up "she's just there to advertise heterosexuality" so don't pretend now

sheppard7 wrote...

Btw, is this true?

Of course it is. He won't ask you to dance unless you tell him that you're jealous that he's not looking at you. And after that, you still have to pick another option - "I want more than friendship" while dancing with him, to start the romance. Otherwise he will think you're just dancing like a friend with him and he will give you a drink.

But yes, he's so jumping at you omg!!!11

Kasmui is a bad example tbh

Ashley is a better example, man if that boring **** was in the dlc, she's an even worse character then Steve

[Hannah Montana]

Isaac you're doing selective reading, pointing out things in peoples posts that don't exist.
Can you please stop hating and using the gay argument.

[Justin2k]

IsaacShep wrote...

And I advise you to stop being a hypocrite. You started with "I don't want gays shoved in my vidya games!!!11" nonsense, now you act like a 'concerned player for gay characters'? Who do you think will buy this? You would never complain if this was about Kasumi being in Leviathan DLC, you would never bring up "she's just there to advertise heterosexuality" so don't pretend now

I never started with I didn't want gays in my videogames nonsense.  You just seem to lack the intellect to comprehend what I said.  I said video games were my escape from political correctness, not from gays.  Having a stereotypical gay man who wants to stick his tongue down my throat, make sexual innuendo's towards my crew while also being a save the day hero is what I don't like.  I don't care about his sexuality.  I hate Vega using "lola" and spanglish for the same reasons.  If Jacob was to walk around saying "what up dawg, lets rape these ****es" I'd be equally annoyed.

I'm sorry but the world is not black or white.  You see someone dislikes steve, they must want all gays to die.  Someone likes steve, they are a good person.  Try to educate yourself son, you can dislike stereotypes and bad writing while having gay friends.

[Beep Il]

Justin2k wrote...
I don't see too many straight people on this thread.  Although there were plenty when the game came out and most straight people didn't care for him.

Just how do you know how is straight or gay? Judging by the cover? Nicely done. /clap
Also, "didn't care for him" isn't the same as "dislike" or "hate."

[sheppard7]

IsaacShep wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Oh she's popular and liked sure.  She's great, i loved her.  But she was badly written.   There isn't really much to her, which is to be expected given development time and her being an afterthought to make money on DLC.  I won't talk you around, however I advise you to go watch Torchwood, Brothers and Sisters and Six feet under and check out some gay characters who don't announce their sexuality when they first shake hands with someone, and don't hit on someone just months after burying the love of their life.  He's gay for the sake of gay, nothing more nothing less.  If they didn't want a gay character, we wouldn't have a pilot in ME3.  If you cannot see that, you are blind.

And I advise you to stop being a hypocrite. You started with "I don't want gays shoved in my vidya games!!!11" nonsense, now you act like a 'concerned player for gay characters'? Who do you think will buy this? You would never complain if this was about Kasumi being in Leviathan DLC, you would never bring up "she's just there to advertise heterosexuality" so don't pretend now

sheppard7 wrote...

Btw, is this true?

Of course it is. He won't ask you to dance unless you tell him that you're jealous that he's not looking at you. And after that, you have to pick another option - "I want more than friendship" while dancing with him, to start the romance (just telling him you're jealous isn't enough). Otherwise he will think you're just dancing like a friend with him and he will give you a drink.

But yes, he's so jumping at you omg!!!11

I don't get the last line. I'm not offended by Cortez being gay. But I think they should have a squaddie the one Shep talks to a lot in a DLC. Cortez is just the taxi driver so to speak. And he's more realistic then what they did with Anders thinking "be nice means you want me tossing your salad".

[Drewton]

Most people were hating on James Vega's characater at least before the game came out. If he happened to be gay, they'd all be called "homophobes".

I didn't hate Cortez's character, I just didn't care for it or like it. The same way I didn't care at all for Greg Adams' character. I wanted just me ME2 Cerberus crew. If your shuttle pilot really is the major character in Leviathan then it just feels forced and for the sake of political correctness.

Modifié par Drewton, 20 août 2012 - 06:47 .

[Hannah Montana]

The Angry One wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

She was not a wuss, she just didn't want a crying guy in the cargo bay stealing all the attention from her.
James was pretty tight with Cortez already, so she felt angry.

... so your Shep spends time crying for attention? I don't understand what you're saying here.

The English I used didn't suggest that at all.
I don't see where you're coming from.

> Crying guy in cargo bay who steals the attention from Shepard.

Why is he stealing attention by "crying"? What attention? From who? Why does Shepard need such attention?

>Guy crying in Cargo bay crying constantly while listening to a repeat message kind of distracts everyone and takes attention away from Shepard when they're getting fitted for missions.
Shepard likes to feel like the important one.

[Justin2k]

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...
I don't see too many straight people on this thread.  Although there were plenty when the game came out and most straight people didn't care for him.

Just how do you know how is straight or gay? Judging by the cover? Nicely done. /clap
Also, "didn't care for him" isn't the same as "dislike" or "hate."

Ok, most players of Mass Effect did not care for Steve.  While it's not as much as hate or dislike, why would you spend money on bringing back a player that most did not care for if not for political correctness and pleasing the gay community?  Thats what it's about if we're honest.  Because most people didn't care less about him.  Like Allers.  If you were not gay, Steve was as boring as Allers was to gay people.  Would you want them to bring back Allers?  Thought not.

[The Angry One]

Hannah Montana wrote...

>Guy crying in Cargo bay crying constantly while listening to a repeat message kind of distracts everyone and takes attention away from Shepard when they're getting fitted for missions.
Shepard likes to feel like the important one.

Uh. He's like alone in there at the time aside from Vega, who's his friend and would be okay with it. He needs to vent his emotions for a bit. So what?

Shepard has to be the important one? So, what? Garrus can't talk about his father? Thane his wife? Kaidan his parents? Miranda her sister?
In fact wasn't Mass Effect 2 build around Shepard playing psychologist, listening to everybody's personal problems and then going off to solve them?

[Beep Il]

Justin2k wrote...

Ok, most players of Mass Effect did not care for Steve.  While it's not as much as hate or dislike, why would you spend money on bringing back a player that most did not care for if not for political correctness and pleasing the gay community?  Thats what it's about if we're honest.  Because most people didn't care less about him.  Like Allers.  If you were not gay, Steve was as boring as Allers was to gay people.  Would you want them to bring back Allers?  Thought not.

Who said she's boring?

[shepskisaac]

Justin2k wrote...
I never started with I didn't want gays in my videogames nonsense.  You just seem to lack the intellect to comprehend what I said.  I said video games were my escape from political correctness, not from gays.

You're the one who lack intelect to comperhend what you said, and other people also pointed it out that you contradicted yourself.

Justin2k wrote...
  Having a stereotypical gay man who wants to stick his tongue down my throat

Where's this stereotypical gay man? Also, you can't kiss with him unless you first tell him that you're "eye-candy too" and then that you want a relationship with him. So if you get to the kissing part, we know which options you selected.

Justin2k wrote...
, make sexual innuendo's towards my crew

Towards whom?

Justin2k wrote...
I don't care about his sexuality.

Yet it's all you complain about. Who exactly are you trying to fool?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 août 2012 - 06:49 .

[Hannah Montana]

The Angry One wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

>Guy crying in Cargo bay crying constantly while listening to a repeat message kind of distracts everyone and takes attention away from Shepard when they're getting fitted for missions.
Shepard likes to feel like the important one.

Uh. He's like alone in there at the time aside from Vega, who's his friend and would be okay with it. He needs to vent his emotions for a bit. So what?

Shepard has to be the important one? So, what? Garrus can't talk about his father? Thane his wife? Kaidan his parents? Miranda her sister?
In fact wasn't Mass Effect 2 build around Shepard playing psychologist, listening to everybody's personal problems and then going off to solve them?

But this is now Mass effect 3.

[Ravensword]

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Ok, most players of Mass Effect did not care for Steve.  While it's not as much as hate or dislike, why would you spend money on bringing back a player that most did not care for if not for political correctness and pleasing the gay community?  Thats what it's about if we're honest.  Because most people didn't care less about him.  Like Allers.  If you were not gay, Steve was as boring as Allers was to gay people.  Would you want them to bring back Allers?  Thought not.

Who said she's boring?

It's not really a matter of whether or not she's boring, so much as it is a matter of what she is doing in the game (although, pretty much everybody can guess why).

[shepskisaac]

sheppard7 wrote...

I don't get the last line.

The last line wasn't about you, I was mocking people who say he jumps on Shepard.

[Taboo]

I state again. Who cares?

Really? If he bothers you then don't comment. If you support him like I do then be happy about it.

Steve is a great character and needs more content.

I mean, would you rather he be replaced by someone else who ISN'T your shuttle pilot?

[The Angry One]

Ravensword wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Ok, most players of Mass Effect did not care for Steve.  While it's not as much as hate or dislike, why would you spend money on bringing back a player that most did not care for if not for political correctness and pleasing the gay community?  Thats what it's about if we're honest.  Because most people didn't care less about him.  Like Allers.  If you were not gay, Steve was as boring as Allers was to gay people.  Would you want them to bring back Allers?  Thought not.

Who said she's boring?

It's not really a matter of whether or not she's boring, so much as it is a matter of what she is doing in the game (although, pretty much everybody can guess why).

I'd point out that Allers is boring and annoying to pretty much everybody.
Steve is actually a character with a point, that's well voice acted.

Modifié par The Angry One, 20 août 2012 - 06:52 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

The Angry One wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Beep Il wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Ok, most players of Mass Effect did not care for Steve.  While it's not as much as hate or dislike, why would you spend money on bringing back a player that most did not care for if not for political correctness and pleasing the gay community?  Thats what it's about if we're honest.  Because most people didn't care less about him.  Like Allers.  If you were not gay, Steve was as boring as Allers was to gay people.  Would you want them to bring back Allers?  Thought not.

Who said she's boring?

It's not really a matter of whether or not she's boring, so much as it is a matter of what she is doing in the game (although, pretty much everybody can guess why).

I'd point out that Allers is boring and annoying to pretty much everybody.
Steve is actually a character with a point, that's well voice acted.

In your opinion.

[Justin2k]

They gave the gay community a gay character.

And it was the worst mass effect of the triology.

Coincidence?

[Hudathan]

A big part of Leviathan looks like it takes place under water. Steve Cortez is experienced with vehicles. Maybe it's just the nature of the mission and makes perfect sense within the context of the story being told.

[sheppard7]

IsaacShep wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

I don't get the last line.

The last line wasn't about you, I was mocking people who say he jumps on Shepard.

Ah, gotcha. Makes sense. I just read it wrong then.