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Bioware: It's time. Bring on the buffs.


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megabeast37215

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It's time for the weak to join the strong.

There are no seriously disgustingly overpowered weapons in the game anymore. The Piranha is gimped by range so that one is out of the picture IMO, even though it can out-DPS a perfectly reload cancelled Claymore (which has about 2-3 times the range). I'm not calling for buffs to common weapons... they are what you aspire to NOT use.

We have standard bearers for each and every weapon now.

Assault Rifles: Saber, PPR, Revenant and Harrier.

The Rare ARs need brought up just below the DPS figures of these weapons, you can even bring the Uncommon ones up a little bit too. Variety is needed here. The Tyhoon could use a buff too since it is outclassed by the PPR in weight, damage, accuracy, everything. The Mattock, Phaeston, Vindicator, Geth Pulse Rifle, Falcon and Stryker all could use a good 10-15% damage buff.... with the Geth Pulse Rifle needing about 20%.

Sniper Rifles: Indra

This group needs the most attention. If you aren't going to let them ignore shield gate b/c it's too hard to program, fine. At least make them hit like a mack truck so they can be dedicated boss killers on Infiltrators and usable on non-infiltrators. Incisor, Raptor, Widow, Kishock, Black Widow and even the much maligned Krysae could all use a 10-15% damage buff. I'm on the fence about calling for a Javelin buff... since it can be devastating on a GI. Also on the fence about a Valiant buff... it's good against mooks (even shielded mooks) but not so much against bosses.

SMGs: Hurricane

Obviously... the current group of SMGs cannot be brought to the DPS levels of the Hurricane, but I see no reason why they can't come close. As it is, they are only useful at applying ammo powers for setting up tech bursts/fire/cryo explosions. This group is even MORE in need of buffs than the others because they require you to be out of cover for extended periods of time to inflict damage (like the Typhoon and Particle Rifle). Geth Plasma SMG, Tempest, and Hornet could all use a good 10% damage buff... and the poor Locust could stand 15-20%.

Shotguns: Reegar, Claymore, Piranha, Geth Plasma Shotgun

Do I really need to go into this? I haven't seen another shotgun but these four except for the rare case of a high level Wraith... which could use a buff itself since the above four weapons outclass it and are rare weapons. Eviscerator, Discple and Scimitar could all use a good 10-15% damage buff, and the Graal could use 5-10% because of it's issues when used off host (although I admit the Graal is good, but the hosting issue is very problematic for alot of players.. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Graal in a lobby, it needs something to incentivize players to use it). Lastly.. and most importantly, the Crusader. Bioware... it's bad, like really really bad. Give it a big fat 15-20% damage buff to justify that weight... don't make it lighter, make it hit harder... same as the Sniper Rifle changes I asked for (since that's essentially what it is).

Pistols: They are all fine IMO... if anything I still think the Arc Pistol and the Eagle could use another small buff, maybe 5-10% damage. Phalanx is a decent sidearm, Carnifex is THEE go to caster weapon for many players, Acolyte is amazing on anything with Singularity/Pull, Talon/Scorpion/Paladin all have their niches and are extremely effective at what they do. This group of weapons has been balanced on a nearly flawless level IMO.

So I just named 16 weapons that are currently useable in the metagame, that I see frequently and/or use myself. I also just named 19 weapons that are rarely seen... and I should mention that I play this game A LOT... like A WHOLE LOT... as in... it's the only game I play pretty much. Buffing these weapons would bring tons of variety to the game, make alot of players very happy, not break the game AT ALL and might even bring back some of the lost player base... which could equate to more $$$ in Bioware/EA coffers.

Honestly... I'm not hearing the 'We need to extensively test these balance changes before we release them" argument because WE ARE YOUR BALANCE TESTERS! There are dozens of threads daily about weapon effectiveness, builds using said weapons, tactics to emply said weapons, videos showcasing the effectiveness of said weapons, etc. etc. etc. If something is overpowered, trust me YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT... just as you have been hearing for months on end that alot of these weapons are underpowered.

When the Krysae/Piranha were OP, BSN was swamped with daily threads about it... those threads have all but disappeared because nothing is currently too overpowered. So we have a half decent selection of weapons now, how about expanding that to a fabulous selection for your loyal gamers. Don't make us use weapons that don't hurt the enemies just for the sake of change... we are only hurting ourselves and the team when we do that. We love you, we love this game... please do this so we can have some more fun and variety. All it takes is changing a few numbers, maybe a couple hours of work if that. Please Bioware, pretty pretty please with a cherry on top.

In closing I will say this: Bioware... you made these weapons. You created them, designed them, programmed them, poured your hard hours of work into them. Don't you want to see them used? I don't want to see all that effort goto waste and I'm sure you don't either.  

Thank you for your time, and for the fantastic product that is the Mass Effect series.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 20 août 2012 - 05:48 .


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For the tl/dr crowd: Nothing is currently OP, bring the UP weapons up a few notches to or near the levels of the ones we see/use all the time.

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No, more nerfs are in order. Too many things are still OP.

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Battlepope190 wrote...

No, more nerfs are in order. Too many things are still OP.


Such as? This is about weapons BTW... not powers or gear. We can make another thread about that.

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Wow I just wasted my life reading that!

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Lol, I thought you were supposed to be the role model for nerfducks. You are going to make these things stronger than my super soaker if you keep this up.

In all seriousness I agree, especially with sniper rifles, although the Javelin could use a slight nudge. It is great at X but I have mine at 6 and even though its pretty damaging just left alot to be desired. Also happy to see the Graal, Eviscerator, and Wraith receiving attention, especially the Graal it takes alot of skill to use and just doesn't seem worth the effort when the GPS is around.

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masseffect420 wrote...

Wow I just wasted my life reading that!


Pretty short life.

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WizeMan305 wrote...

Lol, I thought you were supposed to be the role model for nerfducks. You are going to make these things stronger than my super soaker if you keep this up.

In all seriousness I agree, especially with sniper rifles, although the Javelin could use a slight nudge. It is great at X but I have mine at 6 and even though its pretty damaging just left alot to be desired. Also happy to see the Graal, Eviscerator, and Wraith receiving attention, especially the Graal it takes alot of skill to use and just doesn't seem worth the effort when the GPS is around.


Nerfducks are also Carebears in disguise Image IPB It's been said many times that for every nerf asked for by the 'nerfducks' there has been 10 buffs asked for as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Javelin get a slight nudge... but like I said I'm on the fence about it. I've seen it put to good use on a GI, but then again... I've also seen an Avenger put to good use on a GI also, so yeah... a buff would be fine. I used my Javelin X today on a duration specced SI and wasn't super impressed with it, but I SOMEHOW managed to top score in a Platinum match with it... which was beyond me.

I think you were actually the last person I saw use a Graal besides myself... and that was like 2 weeks ago.

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Uchimura wrote...

masseffect420 wrote...

Wow I just wasted my life reading that!


Pretty short life.


For sure... I think it only took me about 30 minutes to type/proof read... MassEffect420 must be awful blazed if it took him a lifetime to read that...

There was a tl/dr option for folks like him.

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Pete Zahut

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Cheers megabeast. I'm on your side
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masseffect420 wrote...

Wow I just wasted my life reading that!


Don't be a dick.

OT: I for one agree with the statements. Certain weapons need more incentive to be used. Not ungodly awesome, but more feasible to work with, garnering more respect in their catgory. I for one would like to see other weapons other than seeing, the Piranha, Claymore, Harrier, Black Widow, Valiant etc. all the time. (Not that I have anything against these weapons..)


It'd be a little nice for a change.

Modifié par Shotgun Nova, 20 août 2012 - 06:16 .


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megabeast37215 wrote...

It's been said many times that for every nerf asked for by the 'nerfducks' there has been 10 buffs asked for as well.


I have asked for buffs 10 times every time I have supported a nerf.

My Nerf threads have gotten more front page time then all of my buff threads, individually.

Its just that this community is terrible about supporting things they like, and excellent at supporting things they hate (Through bumps.)

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masseffect420 wrote...

Wow I just wasted my life reading that!


Your life was ruined by a post on a forum advocating something overdue?

Then your life sucks and you should feel bad.


That said... OP? You have my headbutt and support.

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Rokayt wrote...

I have asked for buffs 10 times every time I have supported a nerf.

My Nerf threads have gotten more front page time then all of my buff threads, individually.

Its just that this community is terrible about supporting things they like, and excellent at supporting things they hate (Through bumps.)


...as have I good man!

I agree with your sentiments about the community... post something negative and watch it turn into a 10 page bicker-fest... post something positive and watch it drop off the front page with less than 20 replies. However I did post a "Benefits of the Destroyers Missle Launcher" thread that got to 6-7 nice peaceful pages of quality discussion.

The first couple replies in this thread are evidence... I fully expect this thread to die off before it reaches page 2/3 and I'll be bumping it tommorrow.

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Buffs ftw! :D

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megabeast37215 wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

I have asked for buffs 10 times every time I have supported a nerf.

My Nerf threads have gotten more front page time then all of my buff threads, individually.

Its just that this community is terrible about supporting things they like, and excellent at supporting things they hate (Through bumps.)


...as have I good man!

I agree with your sentiments about the community... post something negative and watch it turn into a 10 page bicker-fest... post something positive and watch it drop off the front page with less than 20 replies. However I did post a "Benefits of the Destroyers Missle Launcher" thread that got to 6-7 nice peaceful pages of quality discussion.

The first couple replies in this thread are evidence... I fully expect this thread to die off before it reaches page 2/3 and I'll be bumping it tommorrow.


Loook at my locust thread.

Half the pages of any of the Troll threads pretending to advocate for nerfs.
I have constantly been using any posts to it as an excuse to bump.

Still not half of The Pirhana must fall.

Modifié par Rokayt, 20 août 2012 - 06:25 .


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Cheers megabeast. I'm on your side
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That's a kick ass GIF. Thanks! Image IPB

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Rokayt wrote...

Loook at my locust thread.

Half the pages of any of the Troll threads pretending to advocate for nerfs.
I have constantly been using any posts to it as an excuse to bump.

Still not half of The Pirhana must fall.


I have read your Locust thread, seen you reference your quest to see it buffed and agree whole-heartedly!

The time for nerfs has passed... it is now time for buffs. Nothing else needs nerfed.

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Only part I really disagreed with was the mattock. That thing's already incredible for an uncommon.

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Bring sniper damage back on an infiltrator, and that will fix the snipers. Also, I'd like to see headshots on bosses come back (for snipers at least). Buff SMGs mostly imo. Wraith should be the best shotgun in the game because its a million times harder to get than the piranha.

Modifié par Pete Zahut, 20 août 2012 - 06:40 .


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megabeast37215 wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Loook at my locust thread.

Half the pages of any of the Troll threads pretending to advocate for nerfs.
I have constantly been using any posts to it as an excuse to bump.

Still not half of The Pirhana must fall.


I have read your Locust thread, seen you reference your quest to see it buffed and agree whole-heartedly!

The time for nerfs has passed... it is now time for buffs. Nothing else needs nerfed.


I have other buffs I want to attempt. However.... I will stick to finding bad excuses to bump other buff threads as long as I possibly can. (ESPECIALLY now that I AM KIRITO.)

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Rifneno wrote...

Only part I really disagreed with was the mattock. That thing's already incredible for an uncommon.


I keep hearing that... but everytime I use it, I feel so underwhelmed by the damage output. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong...

Care to enlighten me on your build with it... I'm all ears and could use the free bumps. Image IPB

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megabeast37215 wrote...



That's a kick ass GIF. Thanks! Image IPB


You're welcome

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My opinion on the light shotguns is that they should increase their rate of fire and maybe depending on which one it is, their accuracy or capacity. It doesn't really make sense that a Disciple has the same capacity and rate of fire as the Crusader. (I barely use Eviscerator or Scimitar, so i could be wrong on those two)

On everything else. Nailed it.

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Wasted time in my life.