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[zyntifox]

I have no problems with Bioware ignoring choices from previous games if we keep playing a new protagonist each game. It would however feel very strange to play the same protagonist through the series without any choices matter.

Since they are going with different protagonist each game they can go ahead. However, each game needs a re-telling of the previous game(s) so you know what world you are going to play in. I loved the way they did it with Mass Effect 2 on the PS3 with the dark horse comic and is something i would like, excluding the choices you made in the comic obviously.

[Jerrybnsn]

Firky wrote...

Son? But if Morrigan had a daughter, that would be way cooler. Like, there's the whole Flemeth daughter thing to frame her relationship with a wee lass.

I actually thought that the OGB would be a girl, because the OldGod Dragon's name was Urthemiel which means "beauty".  Well, I guess that's one for the ladies.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Firky wrote...

Son? But if Morrigan had a daughter, that would be way cooler. Like, there's the whole Flemeth daughter thing to frame her relationship with a wee lass.

I actually thought that the OGB would be a girl, because the OldGod Dragon's name was Urthemiel which means "beauty".  Well, I guess that's one for the ladies.

In Witch Hunt, if you performed the DR, Morrigan will say the child is a boy.

So if the OGB is guaranteed to be a boy, it would be wise (if Bioware goes the route of making it canon) if Bioware just used the same character if they wanted him to be a non-OGB, powerful human.

[Firky]

^ Oh really? D'Oh. (IMO) Missed storytelling opportunity, for the mother/daughter thing. (But last time I suggested a story hinge on a point of gender I got refuted. )

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Ehh. I'd greatly prefer they didn't set their own canon, but I wouldn't feel cheated if they did. It's their game. I'll just pick a game continuity where I allowed the DR and run with it.

For everything else there's fanfiction.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I think a lot of people would get.. Somewhat angry.

Dragon Age Origins offered us the illusion of choice. To have those choices stripped away would undoubtedly upset a large number of people. Bioware have stepped on a few toes regarding choice already, i don't doubt they'll eventually pull the Old God Baby up as Canon.

Previous cases have seen pure outrage bordering on homicidal intent, so i hope they're prepared for the inevitable fallout that will follow.

[GreenSoda]

Cheated ? Not really. It's not the same as e.g. in the Mass Effect series where ME3 basically ignored all your major choices (You killed the Rachni Queen ?...uhh...hey, there was another !...etc.). That was almost comical.

However, I find a Morrigan that always has a child in DA3 not as far fetched. If Morrigan is determined to get knocked up it's imo quite reasonable to assume that she will find the necessary means to do so easily -even without any of the Warden's (or Allister's) input.

That's simply not the same as all the retconning of your decisions in ME3.

[Jerrybnsn]

^ The outrage of choice usually revolves around who you can romance or which character lives and dies. And having the ability to equip your companions. And have more than one way to resolve an issue instead of always just killing things. "Can you help me out on my date tonight? Sure. Just kill things around us.

Considering that the whole Ultimate Sacrifice wasn't even transferable over into Awakenings without actually ending up with an alive Dead-Warden, then I think the point was moot if you did the sacrifice or not.

[MichaelStuart]

I won't feel cheated at all, although I admit I'm not a fan of the whole god baby idea.
I'm also not really a fan of the import system.

[Huntress]

OP is alot of whinning about Anders-justice, leliana and wynne not dieying,in their game pushing something like this will make few people just as upset if she mention the son is of a warden when the player never did the DR and died with the Archdemon.

It make no sense to push something that many didn't do, some Warden's married Anora and killed Alistair. why make Morrigan having a child without the soul of a God to beginning with? I wonder..

Can you imagine Morrigan having a daughter without magical powers and Morrigan displaying affection for her? yeah sound retarded I know but, it would be so .. cute /rolls eyes.

I don't understand people want continuity in their games but many of their ideas make no sense at all.
have you check the guy who wants all the christian Apostles as deity's in DA post? no? well, thats how crazy some people are, can you imagine some" other" people putting their own deity in games.. just as crazy. rofl.
http://social.biowar.../index/13746272

back to you're post idea.. NO, if the player never did the DR then morrigan shouldn't have a child with the soul of a God.

Modifié par Huntress, 20 août 2012 - 01:57 .

[Corker]

* Morrigan can have a whole slew of babies if she wants to. Not my dead!Warden's business.

* If she has an OGB anyway, despite the on-screen soul-annihilation thing...

---- If the franchise just owns it and says, "Yes, this is what we're doing. Sorry, your US!Warden is alternate history," I will be cross but understanding of the pressures that drove the decision.

---- If there is a ridiculous fit of hand-waving that turns the capstone player choice from the first game into a tragical farce of 'miscommunications' and 'what she really meant's, I will sigh heavily, roll my eyes, and probably write a caustic blog entry about it.

To my mind, it makes more sense to have Flemeth kill an OGB who's beyond her power. I wouldn't put such a move beyond her; it's nice to see NPCs doing their own dirty work instead of making Captain Protagonist do it; it gives closure while adding the emotional resonances of lost possibilities and what-might-have-beens.

Also, would induce epic fan rage. So I'm not holding my breath.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I think the God baby would make a great protagonist for a future game.

[KingoftheZempk]

Huntress wrote...

I don't understand people want continuity in their games but many of their ideas make no sense at all.
have you check the guy who wants all the christian Apostles as deity's in DA post? no? well, thats how crazy some people are, can you imagine some" other" people putting their own deity in games.. just as crazy. rofl.
http://social.biowar.../index/13746272

In defense of my topic, it's not putting them in as deities, but rather "What would they be?" or "What classes?" etc. And yes, I am slightly crazy:lol:

On Topic thought, I'm not sure I would mind either way.

[Kidd]

Firky wrote...

Son? But if Morrigan had a daughter, that would be way cooler. Like, there's the whole Flemeth daughter thing to frame her relationship with a wee lass.

Morrigan's child is already canonised as male in Witch Hunt. You could see it as Flemeth leading daughters while Morrigan leads sons, or something, if you want to bring light to genders

Huntress wrote...

back to you're post idea.. NO, if the player never did the DR then morrigan shouldn't have a child with the soul of a God.

I never proposed she should get a child with the soul of an old god no matter what you did. In fact, quite the opposite.

[Wonderllama4]

Riordan and Morrigan had secret sex, despite whatever lies she told you!

[BatmanPWNS]

Yes, I rejected her for a reason.

[Emzamination]

I would feel very cheated and outraged if bio pushed attempted to canon a major decision like that.My warden died and sacrificed happiness by Alistair's side to prevent the existence of the OGB, making it canon spits on her and every other warden who made that sacrifice and that can not be tolerated.Everyone is free to make their own choices but that's the choice I made and I prefer to see it through to the bitter end.

As far as the love child goes, I think it should most definitely be in game for those wardens who chose to concieve it.From mike laidlaw's twitter messages, I heavily doubt bioware will include the warden visible or not in Da3 because they're worried about not getting our wardens right.Even if the warden isn't in game, it should be a small consolation to atleast have the legacy of the warden in da3.

I am 95% sure that the normal baby always happens provided she didn't get pregnant via other means.I ran a playthrough where I took every precaution to keep morrigan from ever conceiving a child and she still ended up at the eluvian in witch hunt telling me that I did not change what is to come.

[Giltspur]

There's no way to make the Old God Baby canon for save games that aren't DR.  (DR is my favorite ending though.)  For there to be an old god baby, it has to be the case that no Warden died.  Because if a Warden died, that means the Old God soul went into a warden and not into Morrigan's baby.

So if they have the OGB for DR games, they need a compelling alternative for the other saves out there.  I figure they could have an Old God Baby (OGB) and a Baby of Great Power (BGP).  But the BGP would have to have the soul of Oghren or something.  "Uh huhh huhhh huuuhhh, and the skies will part and it will be as it once was uhhh huhhh huuhhhh huhhhhhhh."

Modifié par Giltspur, 20 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Morrigan could have slept with one of the other wardens.

[ejoslin]

Well, you already know that Morrigan's non-DR epilogue card has been discarded. That doesn't bother me. But if Morrigan has an OGB no matter what, it really does hurt DA:O for people who felt very strongly that they wanted no part of it; especially if their warden died or watched the love of their life/best friend die and/or lost the love of their life from the result of that decision.

If Morrigan has a normal child and it ends up being exactly the same as if she had an OGB with just some minor dialog changes, I'll think it incredibly lame and such. However, the writers must have had some follow-up in mind when writing the dark ritual and making it a choice, so I believe it will be resolved in a decent way.

Ultimately, though, it's just a video game. I quit caring so much about it after DA2. I'll buy DA3 eventually and I'll probably enjoy it. My expectations are not that high, though, and that actually is a good thing.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 août 2012 - 02:53 .

[Huntress]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Firky wrote...

Son? But if Morrigan had a daughter, that would be way cooler. Like, there's the whole Flemeth daughter thing to frame her relationship with a wee lass.

Morrigan's child is already canonised as male in Witch Hunt. You could see it as Flemeth leading daughters while Morrigan leads sons, or something, if you want to bring light to genders

Huntress wrote...

back to you're post idea.. NO, if the player never did the DR then morrigan shouldn't have a child with the soul of a God.

I never proposed she should get a child with the soul of an old god no matter what you did. In fact, quite the opposite.

Yet you ignored: "It make no sense to push something that many didn't do, some Warden's married Anora and killed Alistair. why make Morrigan having a child without the soul of a God to beginning with? I wonder.. "

That is what I wonder.. what the purpose of it? Just to see how good or bad mother she could be? I don't understand.

Modifié par Huntress, 20 août 2012 - 02:50 .

[Brockololly]

CrustyBot wrote...
But assuming the script, story and gameplay content branches enough to paint the plot thread in a variety of ways according to how the OGB was conceived, I personally don't see the issue.

Yeah, so long as any possible child is accounted for in how it was conceived- OGB with Warden father still around, possibly Loghain or Alistair as father, or normal child that not an Old God Baby but fathered by the Warden- then I'd be ok provided they explained how she ended up with a kid with minimal handwaving.

Maybe she just ends up with a normal child if you didn't do the ritual.

CrustyBot wrote...
Although, without said branching, it could end up as another Rachni Queen situation.

Sadly, thats more or less how I expect any possible OGB plot to be handled- one size fits all.

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 août 2012 - 02:52 .

[cJohnOne]

Nobody wants the old god baby because it so much more interesting? You could hand wave the riordan couldn't have the ogb because he's old ha ha. I would love for the OGB to be canon.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 20 août 2012 - 03:00 .

[Kidd]

Huntress wrote...

Yet you ignored: "It make no sense to push something that many didn't do, some Warden's married Anora and killed Alistair. why make Morrigan having a child without the soul of a God to beginning with? I wonder.. "

That is what I wonder.. what the purpose of it? Just to see how good or bad mother she could be? I don't understand.

Because obviously Morrigan is doing something. I don't know what, cause I'm not David Gaider. Nor do I know if the idea I proposed in this thread is even viable (ie, does she even have any use for a non-OGB baby?). It pretty much assumes it is viable, to probe what people think about the idea in itself. If the story turns out in a way where this isn't viable in any way shape or form, where a non-OGB child is just a random addition that brings nothing to the plot, then that's simply that.

There could be many purposes behind a non-OGB child though. Imagine if Morrigan wanted an old god to function as the primary weapon in an army she's building beyond the Fade or something. A powerful mage trained and raised by herself could still be a very potent weapon of hers, albeit not as strong. The idea here is that we could see the effects of this child existing regardless, but see Morrigan being far better off if she has an OGB instead.

Perhaps if we're siding with Morrigan, we'd run into less complications of some sort if she had the OGB. Or if we're siding against her, we could run into nasty complications because of the OGB. Regardless though, in the overall narrative, she does have a child.

See how it could work and be relevant? It all depends on what David is planning on doing with the Morrigan plot line.

[Jerrybnsn]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Riordan and Morrigan had secret sex, despite whatever lies she told you!

I've always thought of this as a possibilty.  Morrigan just said that the least amount of taint in a Grey Warden, the better.  And Riordan did strike the first blow to the archdemon to land it on Drake's Keep.  Yet, what about the US?  If Morrigan did sleep with Riordan anyway, then shouldn't the Warden, or Alistair and Loghain, survived?  The Grey Warden's life was destroyed, as was suppose to be the Archdemon's life together.