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[Cutlass Jack]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

True. She could have dug up the Warden's body after the US and used its tenuos connection with the Old God spirit to recreate its essence. And put it into... a LLAMA!

While I do support the Llama option, I suspect what Flemeth really wanted was an imortal body to take over that she couldn't wear out.

Then again, she is a shapeshifter, so she could shift herself into...a very well endowed Llama.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 20 août 2012 - 07:49 .

[Wrathion]

I really wish they could have resolved her story in Witch Hunt...so I could ignore it and make up my own junk about what happened. But...

I wont really care if she and her son(s) show up in the next game though. As long as he/they does not have one face. I've already drawn my "Cutesy Apostate Family" pictures. Bioware better not come in and ruin it with their canonfacing.

[AndrahilAdrian]

It would be a dealbreaker for me if the most important decision in Origins was retconned like that. Fortunately, David Gaider confirmed ages ago that this would never happen. (link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3171720/8#3195476)
These threads keep popping up in spite of that though

[Kidd]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

It would be a dealbreaker for me if the most important decision in Origins was retconned like that. Fortunately, David Gaider confirmed ages ago that this would never happen. (link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3171720/8#3195476)
These threads keep popping up in spite of that though

The thread talks about her having -a- son (a romanced Morrigan is pregnant according to DAO's ending slides even if the DR was rejected), not that the OGB should be forced on all players.

[twincast]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

It would be a dealbreaker for me if the most important decision in Origins was retconned like that. Fortunately, David Gaider confirmed ages ago that this would never happen. (link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3171720/8#3195476)
These threads keep popping up in spite of that though

Well, I don't exactly see a "will never happen" in that post, only an explanation of the (then) current state of how things worked. Two things to remember: a) While high up the ladder as lead writer, he never the less doesn't have the ultimate say in things. As he is prone to say: plans change.

[Brockololly]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
The thread talks about her having -a- son (a romanced Morrigan is pregnant according to DAO's ending slides even if the DR was rejected), not that the OGB should be forced on all players.

That is not true. Morrigan can end up pregnant with a presumably normal child in the epilogue to Origins if she at any time has sex with a male Warden. It doesn't happen if you didn't have sex with her. Witch Hunt actually accounts for the normal child too.

Never mind, I can't read. You're right

Modifié par Brockololly, 21 août 2012 - 02:42 .

[andar91]

Honestly, I wouldn't care if they made it canon, and I never did it. It never fit any of my play-throughs, but it's such an interesting plot point. There are ways of her getting around the player choice too. I realize people would be really made about it, but I'd rather it be the OGB too.

It wouldn't be that hard for them to say that she did something wherever she went with the Eluvian to make it happen regardless of player choice or whatever. It's the kind of plot point that has so much potential, I WANT to be overridden by Bioware.

There, I said it.

[Nathanmaxtro]

Hell yeah I want the OGB to be cannon. I'd be ecstatic if Morrigan's baby was the main character of DA3.

Game starts off and you can choose to import from DA:O if you select a character where the dark ritual happened, the father would be chosen based on whoever did it/her. If you didn't do the ritual, Riordan would be the father.

In game dialog should recognize if the father was, The Warden, Alister, Logain or Riordan. If The Warden was the father, then the child could be human, half-elf or half-dwarf. There should also be the choice to choose the father if you don't want to import.

And of course, you can choose if the baby is male or female. It's easy to retcon away Morrigan saying the baby is going to be a boy. Unless she got an ultrasound, she had no way to know. Many pregnant women think they know what sex their baby is going to be and they end up having the other one.

There are so many ways to take that story and it would be cool to slowly give the player a taste of Arch-Demon powers as the story progresses.

[Faerloch]

It'd be interesting, especially if that kid was touched by the taint and became some archdemon/human taint and I got to run my sword through his eye! It'd be an easy plot to make canon. Even if the Warden didn't romance Morrigan, she could have easily slept with Alistair, Loghain, or Riordan without the Warden's knowledge. Even if one of these characters sacrificed themselves, Riordan can work as the scapegoat for the Grey Warden who knocked up the witch.

EDIT: poster above me nailed it.

Modifié par Faerloch, 21 août 2012 - 02:58 .

[brushyourteeth]

I'm fine with the baby.

I'm REALLY fine with the OG baby. Frankly, I have a harder time believing that Morrigan said "aw shucks" to my Warden's response and cried in a corner without a plan B. "You do what you must, and I will do what I must."

That offer took place because it was the easiest path for Morrigan and a courtesy to someone she'd grown to respect. A wimpy Morrigan who followed me around for a year and then just gave up feels like a bigger retcon to her character than a by-any-means-necessary OGB would be.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 21 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[Deviija]

I detest the pregnancy plot in general. I really am tired of and dislike plots that revolve around 'Woo, gonna get preggers so I can attain power/birth a superbeing/birth a demonbeing!'

That said, I'm not going to rain on anyone's choice parade. Everyone deserves to have their choices matter. If you did the ritual, then it should show up at some point with relevancy. Likewise, if you did not do the ritual or condone the ritual or help Morrigan at all, then I think it is really overstepping to have the OGB plot continue onward the same as if you had chosen the ritual and had Morrigan around and had helped her. Such things should factor into what happens.

I'm an advocate of character agency, and characters living their lives and seeking their ambitions off-screen, but having things pan out *exactly* the same way would annoy me intensely. Morrigan's child is the same age in both timelines (she had the OGB the same night as the final battle in both timelines?), the same ritual worked perfectly in both timelines (with Morrigan working on her own vs. grimoire and Warden + party etc), and a host of other quibbles.

Am I okay with an OGB plot for those that used the ritual? Yes. Do I want it to be a huge plot point/main questline and huge world-changing thing? No. Because not everyone went that route and it should not be the exact same thing and play out the same way.   Her coming back with a normal son in general (in a non-romanced game, that is)?  I don't see why Morrigan would want to be preggers for preggers sake with just anyone.  I'm fine with it, but it seems odd. 

Modifié par Deviija, 21 août 2012 - 04:23 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Considering how much I despise Morrigan...

I still probably wouldn't care one way or another.

[Nathanmaxtro]

Deviija wrote...


I detest the pregnancy plot in general. I really am tired of and dislike plots that revolve around 'Woo, gonna get preggers so I can attain power/birth a superbeing/birth a demonbeing!'

Hah, you must hate Flemeth then.

I don't know if she wanted to possess Morrigans's child or just raise it/control it, but the whole point of her sending Morrigan with the warden was for a baby with the soul of an old god to be conceived.

[Cerah]

I really hope it never becomes canon; that'd be so... augh for my playthroughs where my warden scarified themselves.

When a Grey Warden deals the final blow, the tainted Old God's soul goes into them, and they both die/are destroyed/whatever. It would be very annoying if suddenly Morrigan was able to conceive the OGB, moreso if there wasn't any suitable Grey Wardens anywhere near if the DR is rejected. And even if it went through, the Warden shouldn't have died.

I'm totally fine with Morrigan having children off with some other people, as long as they're not a OGB, provided someone died slaying the arch-demon.

[Chipaway111]

It would depend on how it's handled wouldn't it?

Like someone said, Morrigan having a child un-related to the Wardens going-ons isn't impossible. It would be interesting that despite her claims the OGB did threaten Thedas in some way. The Warden paying for a selfish (imo) mistake.

Or another still incredibly powerful child (because well it's mother is Morrigan) having an effect on the plot. As long as we don't get the ME3 Rachni situation - I'll be fine, I think all my Wardens went the OGB route anyway...

[nightscrawl]

I wouldn't feel "cheated" no. I would be irritated though, yes.

Not only because it disregards the player's choice (I personally did do the DR on my canon play, but would greatly sympathize with those who didn't, especially if they made the Ultimate Sacrifice) but also because I really don't have an interest in that sub plot, and a specific retcon of that nature places great significance on that outcome.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 21 août 2012 - 11:11 .

[Crypticqa]

I never perform dark ritual so if she still have god child I would indeed be mad. If she has some normal one, fine whatever.

[Jerrybnsn]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

It would be a dealbreaker for me if the most important decision in Origins was retconned like that. Fortunately, David Gaider confirmed ages ago that this would never happen. (link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3171720/8#3195476)
These threads keep popping up in spite of that though

And on the flip side, not recognizing players' agency for those that did the ritual is just as lame.  Having a OGB with two main characters from the Dragon Age Lore is no small decision to make.  That's why, fan wise, it is even a bigger deal breaker if this major decision gets disregarded.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 août 2012 - 12:41 .

[Rawgrim]

I won`t mind it. It wouldn`t be worse than Leliana surviving decaptitation, anyway.

[nightscrawl]

simfamSP wrote...

OGB doesn't need to be the baby, just a normal child. Though I don't see how normal/mage child will compare or impact the OGB plot in anyway.

Hm... I guess I didn't read the OP fully. If it was just some kid, I wouldn't really care. But if that's the case I don't really see the point of sticking that in there. So she has a kid, so what? Flemeth had one too (or several, supposedly).

[phimseto]

Yes, I would, obviously. I made a very deliberate choice to not support her ritual, and I would expect that choice to be properly reflected.

[Androme]

Yrkoon wrote...

I think any of those options would be great regardless of what we did or didn't do in Origins. I'd also be fine with a more simple "Morrigan vs. Flemeth" conflict  which doesn't involve any OGB/lovechild/son.

The Morrigan story is such a great one in the Dragon age universe. IMO it surpasses all the others.  It's heads and shoulders above everything else in both games.   It would be a travesty if they just left it dangling/unfinished  just so they could pursue  some  other plot, like the chantry vs. Mage circles tripe (which doesn't interest me in the slightest)

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[Cyberstrike nTo]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Morrigan's child could either be,

- The OGB (fathered by the Warden, Alistair or Loghain)
- Her love child (fathered by a romanced Warden who did not perform the dark ritual)
- A baby she took in/gave birth to off screen with a to us so far unknown father (for those who denied the DR and did not romance her)

Either way the baby could factor into her plot, with variance in the script of just how much the child could be capable of depending on how he was conceived. Methinks this could allow the OGB to show up and be important while using a realistic amount of resources for choice and consequence.

What say you, BSN? =)

In Witch Hunt if you went through the Dark Ritual Morrigan (and the Warden if he's the father) state that the child is a boy.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 21 août 2012 - 04:00 .