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[Jerrybnsn]

The OGB won't be a main plot in any upcoming games?? Since the OGB is going to be a boy, that rules out being a protagonist, but just the fact that there is an OGB is wwwaaaaaayyy to interesting to ignore as a main plot. A lot more interesting than "a mage killed my entire family...I hate all mages".

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 22 août 2012 - 04:21 .

[Fast Jimmy]

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I think Gaider meant they won't base an entire game around the OGB. He may still factor into the main story, but him as a stand-alone plot item is not on the table.

More's the pity.

[Renmiri1]

He (OGB)  would be a great companion ! 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Just so long as he doesn't get turned into a meaningless fetch quest.

"Who or what are you?"

OGB: "I'm the Old God Baby"

"Your are? Well, you have an arrow over your head so I guess I'm suppose to give you this."

OGB: "Thanks. I thought I lost that for ever. Now my destiny has been fulfilled."

[Potato Cat]

Renmiri1 wrote...

He (OGB)  would be a great companion ! 

Depending on how long it took for Cassandra to find and interrogate Varric and for DA3 to start, the OGB would be around 13. If he's even alive, we're still not sure on Morrigan's/Flemeth's true intent with the boy. Though if Flemeth had taken him, Morrigan could make a great companion. (again)

[Renmiri1]

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Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 04:41 .

[Renmiri1]

A powerful but childish companion ? Would be awesome. On one hand the boy is a fragile child, OTOH he can "move mountains"  

I always loved the X files and Dr. Who episodes about too powerful children. Is creepy because they don't have the maturity to handle it, yet  you can't really tell them that because they might transform you into a toad 

[Jerrybnsn]

I wonder if the little elf girl from Dawn of the Seeker would get together with the OGB when they get older?

[Sylvius the Mad]

I wouldn't feel cheated. I don't think BioWare should worry about importing our choices between games at all.

[Brockololly]

Renmiri1 wrote...
Riordan died and by being the oldest he would have been the one who was expected to sacrifice himself.

I expect that either your male Warden or Alistair / Loghain would tell the other Wardens that Riordan was sacrificed.

Thats possible, although I think if you talk to Loghain or Alistair during the throne room scene, they bring up the fact that the Wardens are already inquiring how you killed the Archdemon and are still alive. Implying that they think something is up.

Renmiri1 wrote...
To avoid answering some embarassing questions and putting the entire order after Morrigan and her baby.

Although that is basically the entire premise of Witch Hunt. The Warden being tasked by the First Warden to find Morrigan- plus via the codex, apparently the Templars were also hunting her, plus agents of the Ferelden king/queen.

Really, I just think Witch Hunt was a tremendous missed opportunity. It should have been an expansion pack where you'd have to deal with the Wardens questioning your role in how you dealt with the Archdemon and Morrigan plus all the other factions hunting Morrigan being left undeveloped. And since it seems BioWare is intent on never touching the Warden again or letting the player play as an old protagonist in future games, dealing with the consequences of the Warden's actions as the Warden will likely never occur and we'll only get to deal with some consequences in a detached, second hand manner as the Inquisitor.

[nightscrawl]

Brockololly wrote...

Really, I just think Witch Hunt was a tremendous missed opportunity. It should have been an expansion pack where you'd have to deal with the Wardens questioning your role in how you dealt with the Archdemon and Morrigan plus all the other factions hunting Morrigan being left undeveloped. And since it seems BioWare is intent on never touching the Warden again or letting the player play as an old protagonist in future games, dealing with the consequences of the Warden's actions as the Warden will likely never occur and we'll only get to deal with some consequences in a detached, second hand manner as the Inquisitor.

I've never imported a dead or non-DR save into anything. How is Witch Hunt handled if your Warden is dead? Is it similar to DAA where the game just assumes you did the DR and railroads it?

Modifié par nightscrawl, 22 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[Emzamination]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
Making the Ogb canon is Impossible without a full retcon which I can Assure you will not be taken in with open arms, especially after the whole me3 debacle over choices not mattering and 'space magic'

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.

Interesting, I look forward to seeing how the various scenerios play out.In any case, thank you for your reply David, it not only put the thread topic to rest but a few other questions I had as well.

nightscrawl wrote...


I've never
imported a dead or non-DR save into anything. How is Witch Hunt handled
if your Warden is dead? Is it similar to DAA where the game just assumes
you did the DR and railroads it?

If you import a warden that preformed the ultimate sacrifice, awakening rewrites the ending flag as if you did the Dark ritual instead to keep up with consistency.All ultimate sacrifice wardens are suppose to import directly into dragon age 2.

Modifié par Emzamination, 22 août 2012 - 06:17 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I wonder if the little elf girl from Dawn of the Seeker would get together with the OGB when they get older?

And Feynriel could be their baby sitter!

[Androme]

nightscrawl wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should bethe entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.

Haha I just love when forum-isms get picked up the the devs.

Thanks for this post. Another quote for my collection!

Androme wrote...

Just a quick question, which I don't know if you ''are allowed to'' answer or not, or even if you want to;). But will the above quoted story be a part of the main storyline in the future, or will it be something secondary? You said it wouldn't be made into a footnote, I take this as it won't be like one of those side-quests in DA2 where you would return somebodys pants to them for 50 silver?

I took this to mean that it wouldn't be a simple cameo (by Morrigan, with or without said son) or something equally minor. However, I also don't think that something as major as an entire section of a game (like going into the mage tower or the Deep Roads in DAO) is likely either.

The key of course is having extra content for those who made that decision, while not ignoring those who didn't. A good comparison might be the Nathaniel-alive import into DA2. If you didn't import a DAA save, or imported one where Nate was dead you get Fool's Gold. If he was alive or you chose the Hero of Ferelden preset you get Finding Nathaniel. Both of these have basically the same content: you go into a section of the Deep Roads, kill some darkspawn, get some loot, and leave. The extra tidbits when you talk to Nate, and seeing your sibling (if a Warden) are the chief differences.

The problem is though, Nathaniel being alive or not is very minor in comparison to the Morrigan/Flemeth storyline, both Morrigan and Flemeth is up to something big, and perhaps rather nasty, and I don't think they could do that story any justice if they just made it something minor that takes 15 minutes to play through in the future..

[nightscrawl]

Androme wrote...

The problem is though, Nathaniel being alive or not is very minor in comparison to the Morrigan/Flemeth storyline, both Morrigan and Flemeth is up to something big, and perhaps rather nasty, and I don't think they could do that story any justice if they just made it something minor that takes 15 minutes to play through in the future..

/shrug Other than developing huge divergent content paths that respect the choice the player made (which is, let's face it, an unrealistic expectation), I don't see an alternative. David said the choice would be respected, but he also said it's not likely to encompass an entire game.

As I see it there are three paths: (1) have something relatively minor that can accommodate everyone, (2) do a retcon to force the choice into "DR = true" so the ability to base an entire game or subplot around it exists, or (3) not have it mentioned at all, allowing players to keep their head canon, while at the same time not discounting any variables.

I don't see how any of those options can exist together.

[nightscrawl]

Emzamination wrote...

If you import a warden that preformed the ultimate sacrifice, awakening rewrites the ending flag as if you did the Dark ritual instead to keep up with consistency.All ultimate sacrifice wardens are suppose to import directly into dragon age 2.

My question was about Witch Hunt specifically, and I mainly asked it because I had a response to his post, but most of it would have been made invalid by how that import was handled.

And of course while it certainly is ideal for players to import a US DAO save directly into DA2, people are going to play however they want as long as it's allowed. The game allowed you to import into DAA and play as zombie!Warden, so people took advantage of it. I wouldn't do that, but I can see the temptation.

[Emzamination]

nightscrawl wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

If you import a warden that preformed the ultimate sacrifice, awakening rewrites the ending flag as if you did the Dark ritual instead to keep up with consistency.All ultimate sacrifice wardens are suppose to import directly into dragon age 2.

My question was about Witch Hunt specifically, and I mainly asked it because I had a response to his post, but most of it would have been made invalid by how that import was handled.

And of course while it certainly is ideal for players to import a US DAO save directly into DA2, people are going to play however they want as long as it's allowed. The game allowed you to import into DAA and play as zombie!Warden, so people took advantage of it. I wouldn't do that, but I can see the temptation.

No the game did not let you play a zombie warden.Like I said, if you import a Ultimate sacrifice save into awakening, that particular ending is made void and instead it's as if you did the dark ritual where there would of course be a child.The child is always the wardens in this scenerio.

[LinksOcarina]

Emzamination wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

If you import a warden that preformed the ultimate sacrifice, awakening rewrites the ending flag as if you did the Dark ritual instead to keep up with consistency.All ultimate sacrifice wardens are suppose to import directly into dragon age 2.

My question was about Witch Hunt specifically, and I mainly asked it because I had a response to his post, but most of it would have been made invalid by how that import was handled.

And of course while it certainly is ideal for players to import a US DAO save directly into DA2, people are going to play however they want as long as it's allowed. The game allowed you to import into DAA and play as zombie!Warden, so people took advantage of it. I wouldn't do that, but I can see the temptation.

No the game did not let you play a zombie warden.Like I said, if you import a Ultimate sacrifice save into awakening, that particular ending is made void and instead it's as if you did the dark ritual where there would of course be a child.The child is always the wardens in this scenerio.

Which they also admitted to if people wanted to import dead wardens into it. My first save I actually did die in the end, so I imported a Warden-Commander who went through the motions in Awakening, to keep the story consistant. Also had him kill morrigan. That is just one playthrough scenario I need to go over. 

[brushyourteeth]

Morrigan's OGB is obviously going to be extremely powerful and unique, right?

I think a great question would be, how powerful and unique would a normal child of Morrigan's be? Grandchild of Flemeth = still pretty impressive, I'd say.

[Jerrybnsn]

Brockololly wrote...

Really, I just think Witch Hunt was a tremendous missed opportunity.
 
....It should have been an expansion pack where you'd have to deal with the Wardens questioning your role in how you dealt with the Archdemon and Morrigan plus all the other factions hunting Morrigan being left undeveloped.

And since it seems BioWare is intent on never touching the Warden again or letting the player play as an old protagonist in future games, dealing with the consequences of the Warden's actions as the Warden will likely never occur and we'll only get to deal with some consequences in a detached, second hand manner as the Inquisitor.

A tremendous missed opportunity.  Think of how huge the Dragon Age series would be if they stuck to the original formula and expounded on the whole darkspawn/dragon story.

[Androme]

nightscrawl wrote...

Androme wrote...

The problem is though, Nathaniel being alive or not is very minor in comparison to the Morrigan/Flemeth storyline, both Morrigan and Flemeth is up to something big, and perhaps rather nasty, and I don't think they could do that story any justice if they just made it something minor that takes 15 minutes to play through in the future..

/shrug Other than developing huge divergent content paths that respect the choice the player made (which is, let's face it, an unrealistic expectation), I don't see an alternative. David said the choice would be respected, but he also said it's not likely to encompass an entire game.

As I see it there are three paths: (1) have something relatively minor that can accommodate everyone, (2) do a retcon to force the choice into "DR = true" so the ability to base an entire game or subplot around it exists, or (3) not have it mentioned at all, allowing players to keep their head canon, while at the same time not discounting any variables.

I don't see how any of those options can exist together.

Not necessarily, they could still make it a big part of the future by making the existance of an OGB not very significant, which I believe is what they'll be doing, IF, they'll be doing anything major with the whole Flemeth/Morrigan thing at all.

(It's also what I hope they'll do)

[Reznore57]

There's no way to know what a OGB will be like.
Archdemon are strong because they're huge dragons , and they "sing " a tune that drive darkpawn nuts.

The truth is the singing part is kind of scary, it echoed with the chant of light and lyrium.
Now there's also the taint....if he's not tainted anymore , will his "singing" reach mortals?

Kill it with fire!

He could be 100% normal and a simple vessel ...Which is something i would like.
I would like the soul to be important , not the kid ....but i don't like the idea of a godly human in the first place so....

[Androme]

I might be wrong (haven't played any Dragon Age games for some months now), but hasn't Morrigan said that the fact that her son has the soul of an old god doesn't really mean much?

[Emzamination]

Androme wrote...

I might be wrong (haven't played any Dragon Age games for some months now), but hasn't Morrigan said that the fact that her son has the soul of an old god doesn't really mean much?

Quite the opposite, she says it will be changed after the merger and after that it could barely be called a child

[Jerrybnsn]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Morrigan's OGB is obviously going to be extremely powerful and unique, right?

I think a great question would be, how powerful and unique would a normal child of Morrigan's be? Grandchild of Flemeth = still pretty impressive, I'd say.

Even more so if the child is Alistair's.  Pick up your copy of "Silent Grove" today!