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[Reznore57]

I don't remember that ,EMzamination.
I remember her saying that the warden shouldn't worry because he's only talking about a few cell and not yet a baby.
Maybe i should check.

And again there's nothing about the child himself , she said he will be innocent ,and there's things that should be preserved , talking about the soul.

[Jerrybnsn]

I was just thinking....What if this King Calenhad was an OGB? Alistair has his blood line through King Maric, a direct descendent of King Calenhad.

[Emzamination]

Reznore57 wrote...

I don't remember that ,EMzamination.
I remember her saying that the warden shouldn't worry because he's only talking about a few cell and not yet a baby.
Maybe i should check.

And again there's nothing about the child himself , she said he will be innocent ,and there's things that should be preserved , talking about the soul.

When questioning her about the ritual the warden can ask "Will the child be hurt" to which morrigan will reply "After one night, it could barely be called a child but no the child will not be hurt, it will be changed"

In regards to the preservationI believe she says "Some things in this world are worth preserving" tho I wholly disagree an old god is one of them but that's just me.

Modifié par Emzamination, 23 août 2012 - 12:39 .

[Androme]

Emzamination wrote...

Androme wrote...

I might be wrong (haven't played any Dragon Age games for some months now), but hasn't Morrigan said that the fact that her son has the soul of an old god doesn't really mean much?

Quite the opposite, she says it will be changed after the merger and after that it could barely be called a child

Oh that's right. Thanks

[Emzamination]

Androme wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Androme wrote...

I might be wrong (haven't played any Dragon Age games for some months now), but hasn't Morrigan said that the fact that her son has the soul of an old god doesn't really mean much?

Quite the opposite, she says it will be changed after the merger and after that it could barely be called a child

Oh that's right. Thanks

Np

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

No, it wouldn't bother me. My main character canon is a Female Warden who married Alistair and he did the DR so the OGB works for me. I understand not always for others.

I can also see Morrigan sneaking in on Riordan and doing the deed with him to achieve her objective. So for me either way is fine and I wouldn't mind if it becomes canon. For me it was the most interesting story line in the games.

I'd love to see pre-expansions dlc before DA3 and I've always wanted dlc on every companion that I've ever had. Also for those alternative decisions that I didn't make ingame and what are the possible outcomes for those decisions, then an expansion or dlc would be just fine with me.

[Yrkoon]

Renmiri1 wrote...

He (OGB)  would be a great companion ! 

Not really.  By the end of DA2 he's like 11 years old. lol

And even if they set such a game 10 years after the events of DA2, he'd be in his 20s, and calling him an Old God Baby at that point would be silly.   Of course we could remedy this by calling him an Old God Young Adult, but that wouldn't be much better. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 23 août 2012 - 01:36 .

[Renmiri1]

Yrkoon wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

He (OGB)  would be a great companion ! 

Not really.  By the end of DA2 he's like 11 years old. lol

And even if they set such a game 10 years after the events of DA2, he'd be in his 20s, and calling him an Old God Baby at that point would be silly.   Of course we could remedy this by calling him an Old God Young Adult, but that wouldn't be much better. 

But a little brat that is very powerful would be a very interesting companion. And can get the team in all sorts of trouble too. Imagine him freezing you because you told him to eat his veggies ?  

PS: All indications in DAO are that Flemeth is not Morrigan's biological mother, she just stole a child from the Chasind.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 août 2012 - 02:04 .

[twincast]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I was just thinking....What if this King Calenhad was an OGB? Alistair has his blood line through King Maric, a direct descendent of King Calenhad.

blood of the dragon ... yeah, that would work. if not for the fact that all prior Blights ended with an US, so maybe some other ritual with a different (more powerful, wholly unique) kind of big old über-dragon?

Emzamination wrote...

Quite the opposite, she says it will be changed after the merger and after that it could barely be called a child

false

Emzamination wrote...

When questioning her about the ritual the warden can ask "Will the child be hurt" to which morrigan will reply "After one night, it could barely be called a child but no the child will not be hurt, it will be changed"

true

Yrkoon wrote...

Not really.  By the end of DA2 he's like 11 years old. lol

More like 6, no?

Modifié par twincast, 23 août 2012 - 02:20 .

[sistersafetypin]

No. But that's mainly because I think Morrigan would have done it whether you agreed or not. She'd simply let you die

[Renmiri1]

twincast wrote...

... all prior Blights ended with an US, so maybe some other ritual with a different (more powerful, wholly unique) kind of big old über-dragon?

Not necessarily.. Any of the prior Wardens could have performed that Dark Ritual and then be killed by the witch who did it (or her minions) and no one would know that the dead Warden wasn't dead of US and had sired a demon child.

In fact, I suspect Flemeth is one of those demon babies 

twincast wrote... 

Yrkoon wrote...

Not really.  By the end of DA2 he's like 11 years old. lol

More like 6, no?

10.. DA2 has 7 years of Hawke's story, plus 3 years until Varric gets dragged by Cassandra to tell the tale.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 août 2012 - 03:15 .

[Zanallen]

Less than ten. The DR doesn't come until the end of DA:O. DA2 starts a few months or so into DA:O. DA:O took about a year total + nine months (I assume) to give birth. That would put the OGB at about nine years old.

[Direwolf0294]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
Making the Ogb canon is Impossible without a full retcon which I can Assure you will not be taken in with open arms, especially after the whole me3 debacle over choices not mattering and 'space magic'

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.

Glad to hear the OGB won't be forced onto people. I don't want my Warden's death to be pointless.

Also, if there's going to be lots of content and little extras that deal with the OGB that I'll never get to see, I hope there's also a bunch of content and little extras that you only get to see if you didn't choose the Dark Ritual.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Wow...so the whole Dark Ritual thing wasn't completely brushed off and will actually appear in some in future DA games? My interest in the yet unannounced DA3 just shot up a little.

I also find it perplexing that Morrigan will have a son regardless if the ritual was performed or not, so long as she romanced the Warden. It won't posses the soul of an Old God but I guess all those late night camp activities really caught up to her. It's also been heavily implied that our Warden won't show up in DA3, so how would that work if you went into the eluvian with Morrigan? Is he mysteriously dead? Did Morrigan kill him? If the Warden romanced her and is now dead (murdered) is Morrigan out hunting his killer for revenge? I wonder how this all will turn out.

[ElitePinecone]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
Making the Ogb canon is Impossible without a full retcon which I can Assure you will not be taken in with open arms, especially after the whole me3 debacle over choices not mattering and 'space magic'

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.

Just what I was hoping to see - very sensible path to take. 

[byarru]

Morrigan having a child? Fine, whatever. Morrigan having an OGB if no one did the ritual with her? Hell no. That would be stupid. Which is why Bioware should just make Morrigan a villain, kill her off and be done with it.

THIS

[nightscrawl]

Emzamination wrote...

No the game did not let you play a zombie warden.Like I said, if you import a Ultimate sacrifice save into awakening, that particular ending is made void and instead it's as if you did the dark ritual where there would of course be a child.The child is always the wardens in this scenerio.

For the third time: W I T C H  H U N T ! ! !
Saying "zombie!Warden" was a joke, since you know, the player would know her Warden is supposed to be dead, and yet is playing with her in DAA. I know what you are allowed to do in DAA, I'm not concerned about that. I don't have a non-DR or dead Warden save to import into Witch Hunt, otherwise I would go test it out instead of harping on it in this thread.

Now, if you are required (meaning the game will not let you play without a DAA import) to import a DAA save (as opposed to DAO) into WH, then that is answered as well.

sistersafetypin wrote...

No. But that's mainly because I think Morrigan would have done it whether you agreed or not. She'd simply let you die

There is no "letting" involved. If you did the DR you are automatically saved when you go to strike the killing blow on the Archdemon because the soul goes into the zygote instead of into the Warden. Morrigan has no control over that, presumably.

Her outright murdering the Warden is another thing entirely, whether by covert use of dark magics or what have you.

[Jerrybnsn]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Glad to hear the OGB won't be forced onto people. I don't want my Warden's death to be pointless.

Also, if there's going to be lots of content and little extras that deal with the OGB that I'll never get to see, I hope there's also a bunch of content and little extras that you only get to see if you didn't choose the Dark Ritual.

How is your death pointless?  You chose not to trust Morrigan and her witchy ways or for whatever reason.  Your consequence has been dealt.  You saved Thedas and your dead.  Your journey ends here.  Why should you get extra context on equal basis as those who chose to live?

How do you think it feels to have your life be pointless?  We chose to trust Morrigan in that she had a plan or for whatever reason.  Our consequence was dealt in a fourteen hour expansion and four more hours of dlc and that's it.  We saved Thedas once and lived, but now Thedas is threaten internally and even though we are alive we don't get to interact with the world and save the day.  Was the whole point of choosing to live to be rendered pointless???  It sucks when you're still alive and in the prime of your life (30-32 yrs old) and you're irrelevent in a world you were suppose to help shape.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 23 août 2012 - 11:08 .

[Foolsfolly]

David Gaider wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
Making the Ogb canon is Impossible without a full retcon which I can Assure you will not be taken in with open arms, especially after the whole me3 debacle over choices not mattering and 'space magic'

While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote.

Them's bold words.

But I believe you. So I have a question a few related questions. How will you handle it for those that have no imports? Will it be assumed one way or the other? Will there be multiple pasts like in DA2? How will that be handled? Will there be a Saintly Warden and Saintly Hawke? Could you mix and match?

I ask because while I have multiple saves to import I know there are those who don't. Or those who did but lost the machine they were on and haven't the time or intention to replay two 60+ hour games and multiple add-ons to get their perfect imports.

[twincast]

Renmiri1 wrote...

10.. DA2 has 7 years of Hawke's story, plus 3 years until Varric gets dragged by Cassandra to tell the tale.

Well, it depends on what one considers the end of DA2, I guess.

[Emzamination]

nightscrawl wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No the game did not let you play a zombie warden.Like I said, if you import a Ultimate sacrifice save into awakening, that particular ending is made void and instead it's as if you did the dark ritual where there would of course be a child.The child is always the wardens in this scenerio.

For the third time: W I T C H  H U N T ! ! !
Saying "zombie!Warden" was a joke, since you know, the player would know her Warden is supposed to be dead, and yet is playing with her in DAA. I know what you are allowed to do in DAA, I'm not concerned about that. I don't have a non-DR or dead Warden save to import into Witch Hunt, otherwise I would go test it out instead of harping on it in this thread.

Now, if you are required (meaning the game will not let you play without a DAA import) to import a DAA save (as opposed to DAO) into WH, then that is answered as well.

Happy to be of service

[Spedfrom]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Glad to hear the OGB won't be forced onto people. I don't want my Warden's death to be pointless.

Also, if there's going to be lots of content and little extras that deal with the OGB that I'll never get to see, I hope there's also a bunch of content and little extras that you only get to see if you didn't choose the Dark Ritual.

This, to me, is also crucial. I made a conscious choice of not fathering a child with Morrigan for 3 reasons: firstly I'm gay and so are my male mage characters, secondly I was in love with Alistair and even though he was heterosexual (I DO prefer defined sexual orientations, even if I can't romance characters I like, simply because it is how love works in real life most of the time; I loved roleplaying an impossible love where I couldn't physically be with him, but he was/is a great man, who is funny and caring and also a bit silly who just happened to not be very self-confident and I got to be on his side, helping him reach his full potential and becoming king of Ferelden; all of this was so important to me probably because it mirrored a previous life experience) and thirdly because if I was going to make an ultimate sacrifice to get the world rid of such unrelenting evil, I wasn't about to create another possible one just to save myself; how hypocritical and egotistical would that be?

And with this in mind, I'd love if David Gaider or anyone else would provide an answer regarding the content about the OGB. Are people who chose not to father the OGB going to have less content at their disposal while playing DA3? I believe this is a pertinent question, since David Gaider has stated in this very thread that the OGB matter won't be the focus of the game (obviously), but it won't just be a footnote either. So here's to hoping I don't just get to play two thirds of the next Dragon Age. 

Modifié par Spedfrom, 23 août 2012 - 02:38 .

[Potato Cat]

Spedfrom wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Glad to hear the OGB won't be forced onto people. I don't want my Warden's death to be pointless.

Also, if there's going to be lots of content and little extras that deal with the OGB that I'll never get to see, I hope there's also a bunch of content and little extras that you only get to see if you didn't choose the Dark Ritual.

This, to me, is also crucial. I made a conscious choice of not fathering a child with Morrigan for 3 reasons: firstly I'm gay and so are my male mage characters, secondly I was in love with Alistair and even though he was heterosexual (I DO prefer defined sexual orientations, even if I can't romance characters I like, simply because it is how love works in real life most of the time; I loved roleplaying an impossible love where I couldn't physically be with him, but he was/is a great man, who is funny and caring and also a bit silly who just happened to not be very self-confident and I got to be on his side, helping him reach his full potential and becoming king of Ferelden; all of this was so important to me probably because it mirrored a previous life experience) and thirdly because if I was going to make an ultimate sacrifice to get the world rid of such unrelenting evil, I wasn't about to create another possible one just to save myself; how hypocritical and egotistical would that be?

And with this in mind, I'd love if David Gaider or anyone else would provide an answer regarding the content about the OGB. Are people who chose not to father the OGB going to have less content at their disposal while playing DA3? I believe this is a pertinent question, since David Gaider has stated in this very thread that the OGB matter won't be the focus of the game (obviously), but it won't just be a footnote either. So here's to hoping I don't just get to play two thirds of the next Dragon Age. 

I don't think the OGB should add content as such, nor should it take away content. I think it should just alter who starts off in a better position, Flemeth or Morrigan. If they are going head to head like it appears they are, whoever has the OGB should theoretically be stronger than the other.

EDIT
Just to clarify, I think the presence of the OGB should change the game, not add to the game, so we have a different scenario with the Flemeth/Morrigan conflict.

Modifié par Elfman, 23 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[Renmiri1]

They could probably give your dead Warden a couple of scenes in the Fade if you chose Ultimate Sacrifice.. I'm pretty sure they will at least try to make things fair