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#226
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CoddyXD wrote...

After looking over the OP manifest he shows the signs of someone who is carried in games.

He isnt maxed on Uncommons yet has half a dozen of every lvl3 ammo type and equipment. This means he is hording them not using them always a bad sign. He is clearly spending all his points on PSP type packs from it too yet has alot of gels and rockets too which shows up bad as a team player.

Simply put he isnt spending mats to help in matchs or scoring well so why should others carry his 30k no equips butt through games.



yet looking at your manifest do you not have 200+ gels and rockets, plus you have half a dozen lvl3 ammo's your self so how can you comment on my manifest and accuse me of hording when you have a hell of a lot more

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nicethugbert wrote...

All you ppl saying the OP is carried, can you guys do better than this? Check out the score board at the end.


You brought example from farming game vs Cerberus platinum. Absolutely no logic/connection.

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Star fury wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

All you ppl saying the OP is carried, can you guys do better than this? Check out the score board at the end.


You brought example from farming game vs Cerberus platinum. Absolutely no logic/connection.


Really, no connection?  How so?

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Stealthy Mantis wrote...

I just finished a firebase Dagger, Geth, Gold, was bottom of the score board with 33k, top had 105k but was using GI. I was using Paladin with arc pistol and Piranha, i constantly was reviving the two others in the game and was most of the time only one doing objectives. on the nonobjective waves i consistantly was taking fire from the primes, hunters and rocket troopers while allowing the others to get behind them. Yet at the end of the match the GI has the nerve to plug him mic in and tell me to get lost as he didnt want to carry my lazy backside any more. 

Can someone please tell me how i was just carried?


People tend to believe score = skill. Even if the bottom guy, in this case, did all the legwork.

Ignore them.

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You're the kind of player I enjoy gaming with, OP, because you understand the concept of teamwork. 33k is a low score, but by the sounds of it, you did plenty to contribute to a mission success. That GI has a small penis and needs to compensate - like others have told you, ignore him. Fix up, look sharp.

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The game rewards you for shooting stuff, not defending teammates with your shield.
You will always have a lower score when using the paladin.
You may have contributed but that's only for someone who is experienced to know.
All we know is that the scoreboard is inconclusive about your case.

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PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.


You have never tanked/supported.

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Lucius Aelius wrote...

People need to realize score isn't totally meaningless just because it isn't comprehensive, with enough context (character/build/consumables, map/enemy/dificulty, medals earned, and most importantly first hand experience both of the game in question and the typical performance good players can achieve given different classes) it is very possible to fill in the blanks ourselves and put 2 and 2 together. Tbe way score works is that you get points for killing enemies (and damaging them, but a disproportionate number of points for the killing shot) and some for completing objectives (about the same number of points as a boss enemy) and of course from earning medals (20 HS, 15 melee, etc.) comparable to the point boost of killstreaks or from extraction.

While it isn't as effective as it should be at representing in-game performance, that score can be put together with all that other info and used in comparisons between players of any given match. It isn't uber-accurate, but it is approximate at the least and as such not totally meaningless. As for sweeping claims of minimum scores necessary to have properly contributed, those stem as much from experience as much as anything, 99.9% of the time someone with a score (on Gold+) of 50k (40k with specified enemy/map) or below is someone who didn't contribute, regardless of the spread of scores.

Some scores are just so low that it simply isn't possible to have contributed enough not to be carried, whatever the reason for your low score not even all the other considerations added together outway how little you did of the things score does count, damage to enemies among them, which is an aspect that is very important for proper contribution and cannot be outweighed by reviving and "support" beyond the threshold of the minimum score. That's why it is the "minimum" score, it's the point beyond which no amount of other considerations can outweigh the lowness of the score.

Maybe my numbers are off (it's all very roughly thrown together in my head by way of experience and retrospection, this being the first time I've written it all down), but the concept and basis of my process is sound, and IMO 50k is the bare minimum for any charachter/build/whatever (on Unknown/Unknown/Gold, 40k Any/Any/Gold, 60k U/U/Platinum). Any less and you should play on a lower difficulty, and even people scoring higher I would often say the same of, achieving the bare minimum still isn't very good (and if the person in first place has a higher score than everyone else combined, even bare minimum isn't enough to say you weren't carried, barring extenuating circumstances (just as low score doesn't mean much on it's own, so too must high scores be viewed with caution).

People taking issue with my opinion of where the bare minimum lies is fair game (it is, after all, an opinion), but it is a fact that there is a bare minimum, wherever it lies. So in conclusion, score on it's own is almost meaningless, but there is a bare minimum and there is also room for comparison between players of a single match, albeit only with as much background information as possible.


This got lost on the previous page, also the Paladin is one of the best characters in the game, if I don't break 100k I consider it a bad game, yesterday I had two games in a row with 135k and I wasn't even carrying (they were lagging around 60-90k, but holding their own). In other words anyone suggesting the Paladin shouldn't be scoring high has no clue what they're talking about.

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nicethugbert wrote...

Star fury wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

All you ppl saying the OP is carried, can you guys do better than this? Check out the score board at the end.


You brought example from farming game vs Cerberus platinum. Absolutely no logic/connection.


Really, no connection?  How so?


cant believe this day came, but thugbert, i agree  with you *shiver*

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Claiming your low score is because you did support and objectives is a poor excuse. You need to play better and stop forum crying when called on it. When you draw fire do you not shoot back. Did you not spec area drain or have snap Freeze.

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Lucius Aelius wrote...

Lucius Aelius wrote...

People need to realize score isn't totally meaningless just because it isn't comprehensive, with enough context (character/build/consumables, map/enemy/dificulty, medals earned, and most importantly first hand experience both of the game in question and the typical performance good players can achieve given different classes) it is very possible to fill in the blanks ourselves and put 2 and 2 together. Tbe way score works is that you get points for killing enemies (and damaging them, but a disproportionate number of points for the killing shot) and some for completing objectives (about the same number of points as a boss enemy) and of course from earning medals (20 HS, 15 melee, etc.) comparable to the point boost of killstreaks or from extraction.

While it isn't as effective as it should be at representing in-game performance, that score can be put together with all that other info and used in comparisons between players of any given match. It isn't uber-accurate, but it is approximate at the least and as such not totally meaningless. As for sweeping claims of minimum scores necessary to have properly contributed, those stem as much from experience as much as anything, 99.9% of the time someone with a score (on Gold+) of 50k (40k with specified enemy/map) or below is someone who didn't contribute, regardless of the spread of scores.

Some scores are just so low that it simply isn't possible to have contributed enough not to be carried, whatever the reason for your low score not even all the other considerations added together outway how little you did of the things score does count, damage to enemies among them, which is an aspect that is very important for proper contribution and cannot be outweighed by reviving and "support" beyond the threshold of the minimum score. That's why it is the "minimum" score, it's the point beyond which no amount of other considerations can outweigh the lowness of the score.

Maybe my numbers are off (it's all very roughly thrown together in my head by way of experience and retrospection, this being the first time I've written it all down), but the concept and basis of my process is sound, and IMO 50k is the bare minimum for any charachter/build/whatever (on Unknown/Unknown/Gold, 40k Any/Any/Gold, 60k U/U/Platinum). Any less and you should play on a lower difficulty, and even people scoring higher I would often say the same of, achieving the bare minimum still isn't very good (and if the person in first place has a higher score than everyone else combined, even bare minimum isn't enough to say you weren't carried, barring extenuating circumstances (just as low score doesn't mean much on it's own, so too must high scores be viewed with caution).

People taking issue with my opinion of where the bare minimum lies is fair game (it is, after all, an opinion), but it is a fact that there is a bare minimum, wherever it lies. So in conclusion, score on it's own is almost meaningless, but there is a bare minimum and there is also room for comparison between players of a single match, albeit only with as much background information as possible.


This got lost on the previous page, also the Paladin is one of the best characters in the game, if I don't break 100k I consider it a bad game, yesterday I had two games in a row with 135k and I wasn't even carrying (they were lagging around 60-90k, but holding their own). In other words anyone suggesting the Paladin shouldn't be scoring high has no clue what they're talking about.


BlessedSoldier wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.


You have never tanked/supported.



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EDIT:  Argh, i messed up the post that I orginally put here.  I thought I was starting a new post.  Instead I was editing this one.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 22 août 2012 - 12:22 .


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BlessedSoldier wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.


You have never tanked/supported.

I tanked with my Drell Vanguard a few hours ago. 120k-160k  on Gold depending on teammates. I don't see your point.. at all.

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I usually top the scoreboard with the Paladin and Piranha while still contributing with revives. Also 33k is kinda low for Gold.

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@nicethugbert

These numbers come from having played the game extensively and looked at the numbers as they flash on my screen, I know how many times I shoot at something and also see how many points it yields. I know from experience you get as much as half of all the points for an enemy just from killing it even if someone else did most of the work, as I know all the rest of what I said. I'm honestly rather confused about your perpetual skepticism, those are the basics of the score system such as they are, I'm not saying it's a good system, but as much as I've stated is what everyone playing the game can see for themselves, so how are you questioning it? It's like you asking me to show the formula for why the sky is blue.... It's blue, just look up and see for yourself (during the day if it's a clear sky), it's rather hard to miss.

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Sorry, but I think 33K is low in a Gold game. More importantly, your teammate felt like he was carrying the game, so it was probably not a nice match for him. There's a big difference in scoring highest in a great game where everyone worked together and pulled their weight (even the support classes), and scoring highest and feeling lousy because the team is being lumped on your shoulders.

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nicethugbert wrote...

All you ppl saying the OP is carried, can you guys do better than this? Check out the score board at the end.


....I don't see the point of this? This is standard C/G/P farming, most Platinum players here do this. Although I prefer running around the map in a pack rather than camp the room. Well I prefer U/U/P but yeah.

No matter how much you support 33k is low. The only way I can see that happening without being carried is if you have 3 really good team mates who get all the kills before you can. Meaning that this was a one off. But if the OP was reviving all of the time like he said, then he obviously didn't play with 3 elites. Especially if the GI only scored 105k.

But as I said earlier, as a support class you should crack 50k by simply using your powers and shooting whatever sidearm you have. If OP only ever scored in the 30-40k mark then its time to change class or practise on Silver briefly before trying again. If this was just a one off event then OP has nothing to worry about.

Modifié par Soggy-Snake-, 21 août 2012 - 11:57 .


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I hate when people say "tanked" this isn't an MMO, the only thing you're really doing is being useless and basically making the match a 3 man or 3 1/2 man. Score isn't everything, but 33k is horrible no matter how you look at it. I honestly don't even know how it's possible to score less than like 70,000 in a match.

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I was thinking in favor of the OP, but if his score was 33000 after all the Difficulty and Extraction bonus(possible +25000) added... then he has been undoubtly carried.

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Lucius Aelius wrote...

............ 99.9% of the time someone with a score (on Gold+) of 50k (40k with specified enemy/map) or below is someone who didn't contribute, regardless of the spread of scores.
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Some scores are just so low that it simply isn't possible to have contributed enough not to be carried, .....................


Lucius Aelius wrote...

.......... I know from experience
you get as much as half of all the points for an enemy just from killing
it even if someone else did most of the
work,
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How do you know that they did not contribute? What exactly happens to a match when one of it's members scores below 50k on gold+? So what exactly does score demonstrate and how does it impact the game?

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Tallgeese_VII wrote...

I was thinking in favor of the OP, but if his score was 33000 after all the Difficulty and Extraction bonus(possible +25000) added... then he has been undoubtly carried.


Let's say it was 8 000 points directly from kills and assists. On gold. When prime alone gives you 2 000. But but he "tanked" and "supported"!

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Let's be fair. You can score 33k just by spamming ED on the Geth and nothing else.

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It implies that all they were was living decoy, below 50k you shouldn't be playing on Gold, which is to say character /build as much as the person, if you can get better with another build that's different and is okay for gold, below 50k is just not. Again that's 50k on U/U/G, and even that's just for 99.9% of cases, but IMO it's a good rule to go by. Maybe its not universal but I've never seen someone get below 50k that didn't feel like dead weight, at best running around like a living decoy and mostly not dying but also not killing much of anything, at worst.... Well, let's just say there have been games that are painful/laughable to recall how utterly terrible and useless (even downright harmful, messing up spawn points and leading enemies around to our flank) some people are at this game (at least on U/U/G).

So yes, suffice it to say I've payed attention to what goes on in the games I play, and I've developed quite a firm opinion that a most people by far who score that low and think themselves useful are full of it and need to start learning how to kill stuff as well as revive and cap objectives. I regularly score first place and rarely don't have the most revive medals, and I'm the Paladin always jumping in front of others when capping as well as getting annoyed by anyone out of the circle during the other objectives, so I frankly can't see any justification for people to say "support" is a free pass to not kill things. Anyone not doing both isn't playing the game right to begin with, all characters and classes are capable of pulling at least 100k in any match if used by someone who knows what they're doing, and every character is quite capable of reviving and and capping. The fact is that there are no true support characters that can't deal out plenty of damage themselves (and aren't living up to their potential elsewise), so all these arguments are baseless and laughably illogical.Where the line should be drawn I can't say for certain (I've certainly stated my opinion), but I stand by all that I've said, such as I've said it.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No. There are not two sides of varying correctness to every debate. It's possible that one side is simply wrong.


I am sorry, what did you say? I was too busy having fun with my old build to hear your meaty parts flap around(That is a reference to borderlands, for people who dont get references.)

But i should thank you also. You sparked a new series.


LMAO.

First things first, I am not a Mexican. No idea where that came from.

Secondly, did you even READ what I said? I said that EVEN THOUGH I COULD TAKE SAID BUILD AND DO QUITE WELL WITH IT it was still a TERRIBLE build. And still is.

Thirdly, really? FBWGG...? Camping behind the counters? Yeah that's extremely difficult. It is a moot point though because like I said, it's NOTHING to do with how well/not well you did with it. It's to do with whether a different build in the hands of a player of equal skill level would result in a better score consistently. In the case of that build, the answer is a definitive YES, because that build/setup SUCKS.

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WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No. There are not two sides of varying correctness to every debate. It's possible that one side is simply wrong.


I am sorry, what did you say? I was too busy having fun with my old build to hear your meaty parts flap around(That is a reference to borderlands, for people who dont get references.)

But i should thank you also. You sparked a new series.


LOL, you made a video in order to say that somebody is wrong on the internet? :devil:

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