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[Papa5murf]

My head really hurts...

[CoddyXD]

Simply put

Average player + any class/ any build + piranha >>> 33k post wave 11

[gavgav77]

OP, you were only carried if you feel you were carried. Granted, 33k is a low score, but it doesn't always tell the whole story. I've seen plenty of games where three of us are doing the objectives (drone escort, for example) while the fourth guy is just running around killing stuff on the other side of the map. Like others have said, the score is generally a good indicator of contribution, but is not necessarily the only one.

I've had low scoring rounds in Silver and Gold, but I know that I contributed. I know that it would have been more difficult had I not been on the team. But other games I scored around the same mark, but know that I was absolutely carried, it all depends on the specific battle. Generally, a low score doesn't mean that you aren't killing things at all, it just means that you weren't killing things fast enough. In my case, having low level weapons is a main cause of this.

And just because the GI scored 100k+ doesn't mean that anyone else didn't contribute. By definition, if he's racking up the kills then there will be less enemies available for others. Crowd control, revives, objectives are all important as well.

Modifié par winawer, 22 août 2012 - 01:15 .

[SupidSeep]

CoddyXD wrote...

Simply put

Average player + any class/ any build + piranha >>> 33k post wave 11

Agreed

I'm a crap shot regularly playing a support build (power-based Human Engi with SMG and Hvy Pistol) on Gold, and even though I score last in around half of those games (unless there's a bigger noob present), my score will generally hover around 45-60k with a decent PUG team on Gold.

As I mentioned in my first post here, 33k from a complete Gold game is seriously lacking if you are really playing all out.  I've been in a few games where I did the objectives while my team runs amok after kills and I still don't think I scored less than 40k.

[gavgav77]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

^ That "fourth guy running around killing stuff on the other side of the map" is enabling you to do the drone, because he's taking all the enemies and all the aggro. Savvy?

What CoddyXD said.

Perhaps. Or maybe he was just racking up his personal score while we were doing the objective. In the end, there is very little difference between the two, whatever the reasoning behind it.

Also, don't forget, the drone escort goes quicker the more people are protecting it, so it benefits everyone. In the end he went down pretty quickly, and there was no one near enough to revive him, so I know what I would have preferred.

[mystupidmouth]

SupidSeep wrote...

CoddyXD wrote...

Simply put

Average player + any class/ any build + piranha >>> 33k post wave 11

Agreed

I'm a crap shot regularly playing a support build (power-based Human Engi with SMG and Hvy Pistol) on Gold, and even though I score last in around half of those games (unless there's a bigger noob present), my score will generally hover around 45-60k with a decent PUG team on Gold.

As I mentioned in my first post here, 33k from a complete Gold game is seriously lacking if you are really playing all out.  I've been in a few games where I did the objectives while my team runs amok after kills and I still don't think I scored less than 40k.

I'll admit that I'm pretty much a noob (I only just got to N7 120) but my current fav is a Paladin with Piranha 2, and when I do FBW/G/G, just playing it regularly I will get around 45K, and I still feel like I'm lagging behind and being carried at times. And I help on Objectives etc. (Paladin is fun to use to protect on the 4 Upload objectives). 33K does seem low...but at least it wasn't sub 20,000K which is what I was doing the first few times I tried it. 

[DeadeyeCYclops]

clarification would be needed here to give you a good answer as you never stated how you have your Paladin built. That being said. I personally think many people build the pally wrong. IMO he is one of the best Crowd Control units in the game. Snap Freeze is freakin awesome.

5/4/6/5/6 is my build for pally for versatility ( I use the engineering kit for 15 % Tech dmg) every time

[brian_breed]

Computron2000 wrote...

brian_breed wrote...
I'll put my cards on the table, because your initial point is invalid. I posted much much earlier in the thread that if you were merely stripping shields and reviving, with zero kills, you would still break 30k. Assists grant nearly as many points as kills, because they 1:1 relay damage done to health and armor.

As you yourself mentioned, you get nothing from stripping shields. Only if you actually damage the health or armor

Not quite. Use Energy Drain on a Banshee with full health. Let everyone else kill her. You end up with at least 100 points from one cast. I'm not sure what the ratio is, but you still get assist points for damage to shields.

[brian_breed]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

synapsefire judgnig from the classes used by the players you were with you can safely assume that you carried the last game aswell. 3 Infiltrators? No matter your actual Adept, Infiltrators are slayers and should easily be able to keep up with an Adept. The scores there should've been fairly balanced. The other two you summed up quite well. It's nice when you get an actually decent randomer. Very rare though.

N7 Fury and BEs. That is all. Running around with a Pirahna and Ann Field up is gonna screw Sniping Infils over.

[SGsunny]

Perhaps we really need a different kind of scoreboard so that people can change their way of comparison and then we can see new threads about scores

Seriously, they should make it such that those who die in the game each time gets a certain amount of points deducted from their score so that those who keep reviving them would not be too far down the chart? (That said, I could die too frequently at times)

There was a thread about revamping the scoreboard with different categories of scores so that it's not all based on kills, which is interesting and may help to change people's way of thinking about performance measures.

I've used Piranha a few times and didn't like it as I used it w/o stabilization mod and couldn't kill anything near and far, like I was hitting empty air at times.

[ToaOrka]

Nissun wrote...

He outscored you, simply because he could kill faster or finish enemies faster than you. If you were intentionally acting as support instead of artillery, that's normal. You weren't carried.

Also, Geth Infiltrators and Furies (played by competent players of course) are hard to outscore.

But yeah, ignore the idiots.

[SapientesGladio]

*puts two creds on table*

Just ignore the idiot and move on, bigger things in life, like yourself for being the better man.

[upinya slayin]

winawer wrote...

OP, you were only carried if you feel you were carried. Granted, 33k is a low score, but it doesn't always tell the whole story. I've seen plenty of games where three of us are doing the objectives (drone escort, for example) while the fourth guy is just running around killing stuff on the other side of the map. Like others have said, the score is generally a good indicator of contribution, but is not necessarily the only one.

I've had low scoring rounds in Silver and Gold, but I know that I contributed. I know that it would have been more difficult had I not been on the team. But other games I scored around the same mark, but know that I was absolutely carried, it all depends on the specific battle. Generally, a low score doesn't mean that you aren't killing things at all, it just means that you weren't killing things fast enough. In my case, having low level weapons is a main cause of this.

And just because the GI scored 100k+ doesn't mean that anyone else didn't contribute. By definition, if he's racking up the kills then there will be less enemies available for others. Crowd control, revives, objectives are all important as well.

I don't agree with your whole statement. I do agree points are overrated and not necessairly the deciding factor of what you did, but 33K is pretty bad. You'd at least get assist which it sounds like wasn't being done.

I was playing with 1 friend and 2 randoms yesterday for a few games and the randoms were pretty good teammates (reviving, helping with objectives etc etc) but they weren't killing anyhting. they were both around the 40k mark while me and my friend were around the 130-150k mark. While they did help, The fact is we carried them. Personally I have no problem carrying people. I wouldn't kick soemone becuase I had to carry them. Its not a big deal. But they were carried, the reaosn ebing was ebcuase they weren't killing anything. its that simple. they would have been overrun becuase they couldn't kill things fast enough. 

Also rememeber that Well i Don't agree with people kicking, I also don't agree with people playing above their skill level and expecting to be carried. Some people will kick some wont but its not like they owe you anything. If your lucky enough to find someone like myself that won't kick you and will keep carrying you then you should be happy, but its far from the norm becuase too many people think that everyone needs to have ideal setups to beat gold and you really don't

[Beerfish]

Don't make the mistake of thinking because your player is killing every thing and outscoring by a lot that the person well below you has to be carried and couldn't score big and have a successful game.

Last night I was playing my asari vanguard and was content to do my usual support role of killing things when needed and making sure objectives got done and such. At this point I'm well behind the score leaders. It comes to the hack zone objective and I watch as one person runs right by it so I activate it and wait in the hackzone. All three other players are out and about gleefully racking up the score. After a bit of time with no indication any of them are coming back I say screw it, time to play aggressively. By the end of the game I was well ahead on the score board because I just shifted from the 'I will support' role into I am going to rack up points roll and killed a lot of enemies before the team could take them down.

[upinya slayin]

For instance, This guy here was carried.



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I'm not saying he was a bad teammate. He tried, he wans't leeching, But in an U/U/G you get 40% more exp and he only netted 40k. only had 5 revives, 25 assist, and didn't get the 25 kill medal. He got carried. its plain and simple. I didn't care once again, but if you do get carried why would you come to a forum and complain about it?

[upinya slayin]

Beerfish wrote...

Don't make the mistake of thinking because your player is killing every thing and outscoring by a lot that the person well below you has to be carried and couldn't score big and have a successful game.

Last night I was playing my asari vanguard and was content to do my usual support role of killing things when needed and making sure objectives got done and such. At this point I'm well behind the score leaders. It comes to the hack zone objective and I watch as one person runs right by it so I activate it and wait in the hackzone. All three other players are out and about gleefully racking up the score. After a bit of time with no indication any of them are coming back I say screw it, time to play aggressively. By the end of the game I was well ahead on the score board because I just shifted from the 'I will support' role into I am going to rack up points roll and killed a lot of enemies before the team could take them down.

True and that might be you, but not always. I don't care about teh score or running it up. I do like to try and beat out certain friends of mine becuase they are better then me and its a challeneg to me, and when playing with randoms I always try harder becuase 1) you can't rely on people you've never played wit, 2) i don't xpect much help from randoms, 3) I expect to have to carry the team, 4) you know randoms will judge you by score regardless.

[FollowMeClosely]

UEG Donkey wrote...

33K is kind low

Agreed, I score more than that while in Bronze for crying out loud. 

[Major_Kong]

One thing that no one has mentioned is the length of time to complete a game. Recently I scored about 160k in a gold match on Giant playing a human soldier. No one else scored over 90k. The game took 24 minutes to complete. That is not a carry. Most pub gold matches take 20-24 minutes.

A couple months ago I scored 176k on FBW with a GI. No one else scored over 70k, most of the objectives were soloed by me because the rest of the team went down. The game took over 30 minutes to complete. That was a carry.

From another perspective I wish that players would seriously ask themselves, "Is this the right build and equipment to bring to a gold match?" Bringing a character to a gold match to focus on stripping shields is like pissing on a forest fire. You are not getting it done and you are not contributing to the teams success.

Please don't kid yourself by saying that you are supporting the team by reviving. I very seldom see more than one player get a bronze revive medal and I can count on one hand the number of games I've played where someone got the gold revive medal. When I play gold and the pressure is on I aim to fill up the kills scroll list with my ID. Because I want the team to stay alive. I don't want to have to revive anyone. That's what real support is.

Soap box mode off.

[LuckyBullet95]

brian_breed wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

synapsefire judgnig from the classes used by the players you were with you can safely assume that you carried the last game aswell. 3 Infiltrators? No matter your actual Adept, Infiltrators are slayers and should easily be able to keep up with an Adept. The scores there should've been fairly balanced. The other two you summed up quite well. It's nice when you get an actually decent randomer. Very rare though.

N7 Fury and BEs. That is all. Running around with a Pirahna and Ann Field up is gonna screw Sniping Infils over.

1) You don't know if he was a Fury.
2) It's more likely to be the other way round, the snipers taking out the spawn before Fury gets there, at the least they would get 60-80k in points.
3) 40k on an Infiltrator regardless of CQC class is just plain bad.

[synapsefire]

brian_breed wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

synapsefire judgnig from the classes used by the players you were with you can safely assume that you carried the last game aswell. 3 Infiltrators? No matter your actual Adept, Infiltrators are slayers and should easily be able to keep up with an Adept. The scores there should've been fairly balanced. The other two you summed up quite well. It's nice when you get an actually decent randomer. Very rare though.

N7 Fury and BEs. That is all. Running around with a Pirahna and Ann Field up is gonna screw Sniping Infils over.

I have no idea how you come up with this stuff. If you need to tell yourself stories to justify paltry scores then go ahead, just don't include me in them. 

For clarification I was playing Justicar, DA FQE and GE  this weekend. I have no idea why you would asume they were snipers but it's irrelevant, class has got nothing to do with it. I see scores like that every day. There were no special circumstance or any other event that prevented any of these players to step up. Do not blame me for their low scores please:P.

Again I don't remember any of these games specifically and do not claim to be carrying (when it's not obvious). There are better ways to identify carries than score but that does not render score irrelevant.

Modifié par synapsefire, 22 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[upinya slayin]

Major_Kong wrote...

One thing that no one has mentioned is the length of time to complete a game. Recently I scored about 160k in a gold match on Giant playing a human soldier. No one else scored over 90k. The game took 24 minutes to complete. That is not a carry. Most pub gold matches take 20-24 minutes.

A couple months ago I scored 176k on FBW with a GI. No one else scored over 70k, most of the objectives were soloed by me because the rest of the team went down. The game took over 30 minutes to complete. That was a carry.

From another perspective I wish that players would seriously ask themselves, "Is this the right build and equipment to bring to a gold match?" Bringing a character to a gold match to focus on stripping shields is like pissing on a forest fire. You are not getting it done and you are not contributing to the teams success.

Please don't kid yourself by saying that you are supporting the team by reviving. I very seldom see more than one player get a bronze revive medal and I can count on one hand the number of games I've played where someone got the gold revive medal. When I play gold and the pressure is on I aim to fill up the kills scroll list with my ID. Because I want the team to stay alive. I don't want to have to revive anyone. That's what real support is.

Soap box mode off.

I semi agree with that theory. a quick game where you didn't score much isn't necessarily a carry. its more that the other players were killing stuff faster tehn you. If you only score 40K in a 14 minute gold most likely your teammates were wiping eveyrhting out fast.