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[DnVill]

score doesn't matter but it's amusing when other players will try and catch up to your score by using missiles when clearly its not needed. XD

[WaffleCrab]

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

a defensive paladin can score 30-40k on gold vs, geth and still do more for the team than the GI. just saying, if you dont know how it works, i feel sorry.

Do what exactly?
If you play Paladin actively vs Geth, actually killling mobs with tech bursts and guns, you'll considerably shorten a game and will have more fun.

By being a damage soaking living decoy, gues you never have really played a defensive paladin, having a living decoy that can soak 4,8k or more damage shortens the game considerably when the team doesnt have to be in cover all the time. And the score i get, mainly consists of me using ED for armoring up, me reviving people and the occasional smack in the face with shield. it usually amounts up 30-40K with 1-2 high damage dealing people in the game, yet i am usually thanked alot, early on in the game. now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 08:28 .

[Ziegrif]

Didn't read thread!

Against geth you shoulda used ED a lot more than Snappy freeze.
Ed being instant and extremely powerful against Geth it'd been a lifesaver for the team and you woulda gotten scores on assist.
A lot of people gauge the effectiveness of their teammates through their scores but if ya'll extracted and had below 33k points you could have been doing something wrong with your class. I.E not tech bursting or setting techs up. I got a low score the other day playing slayer without charge only reason I got it was because I packed the wrong gun and no disruptor ammo so I was snap outta luck really. No tech bursts on my own...
Find another lobby and try again :3
This time with ED mixed in. Will let you move a lot more too.

[nicethugbert]

Lucius Aelius wrote...

Score only matters as a relative thing, comparing scores among the players of any given match (weighted to account for class, e.g. an Infiltrator would be expected to score higher than most other classes, all else being equal) can at least roughly give an idea of what each player contributed. As a baseline though, 50k (IMO) is the bare minimum score on Gold a person can have and say they weren't carried (even then they'd have had to contribute in a non-scoring capacity on top of scoring 50k).

Even that's imprecise because choosing Unknown/Unknown gives extra experience, in a match with everything specifically chosen I suppose the bar could be lowered to 40k, but below that you can't say you weren't carried.

A noted exception is of course the FQI with Sabotage, which has its own set of norms to go by (obviously Sabotage awards no points, and I haven't played enough with players using the FQI to feel comfortable pinning down hard numbers for what would be a good score). Suffice it to say it's all very imprecise, but rough comparisons of scores can be made that are at least somewhat meaningful (and of course the less someone knows about the context of a given match, the harder it is to judge just by looking at the scoreboard at the end).

But since we don't know how the scoring works, we still don't know what we are comparing.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

You don´t have to apoligize for 33K score,if you revived(supported) other team mates,damagers in your case.When I play with my friend,who is a little bit less experienced player,I tell him just to watch my back and stay alive.
I played with some guy who had in the end about 10-15 K,but he actually played (from 1-11 vawe).I couldn´t realize,how is this even possible.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

DnVill wrote...

score doesn't matter but it's amusing when other players will try and catch up to your score by using missiles when clearly its not needed. XD

11.wave 5 Cobras:D

[MrScottBear]

...The GI scored 105K? What a slouch. And no, I'm not joking. A competent GI should easily be pulling 125K+, especially if someone else is trailing at 33K. Weather you were carried or not, we can't really tell since we weren't there, but 33K is on the low side.

[dzero]

33k is kinda low no matter what you're doing...

[parico]

33k is kinda low. I only boot people who don't get the 25 kill medal though or if they are just being stupid. We let a guy tag along with us last night for 3 games in gold his n7 was 30. He was using a level 20 character and was doing the devices and keeping us revived. He only got in trouble a couple of times. For the most part he stayed with the team and was helping despite his crappy gear and equipment. He was scoring in the low 30-35 range. I had a game the other day where I was using my destroyer and had 50 assist and only 25 kills the whole game I kept seeing assist assist sometimes ya just don't get the last shot despite tearing the banhees apart with your typhoon. I barely broke 40k that game. Anyway so what he didn't want to play find another lobby and move on.

[parico]

zorinho20 wrote...

You don´t have to apoligize for 33K score,if you revived(supported) other team mates,damagers in your case.When I play with my friend,who is a little bit less experienced player,I tell him just to watch my back and stay alive.
I played with some guy who had in the end about 10-15 K,but he actually played (from 1-11 vawe).I couldn´t realize,how is this even possible.

Thats really bad since you get alot of extra experience points for completing the match

[msngae]

33k is kinda below minimum acceptable score for any class, with exception of a dedicated detonator. If you can't break 50k on gold with a class, it might be time to either change classes or drop down a difficulty and relearn the basics.

>But I was reviving and doing objectives!
Doesn't matter since those actions are class independent.

>I was intentionally acting as battlefield control!
The best CC is to kill the target due to the disparity in control power effectiveness and DPS. Intentionally maximizing CC powers over DPS is playing ineffectively.

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

a defensive paladin can score 30-40k on gold vs, geth and still do more for the team than the GI. just saying, if you dont know how it works, i feel sorry.

Do what exactly?
If you play Paladin actively vs Geth, actually killling mobs with tech bursts and guns, you'll considerably shorten a game and will have more fun.

By being a damage soaking living decoy, gues you never have really played a defensive paladin, having a living decoy that can soak 4,8k or more damage shortens the game considerably when the team doesnt have to be in cover all the time. And the score i get, mainly consists of me using ED for armoring up, me reviving people and the occasional smack in the face with shield. it usually amounts up 30-40K with 1-2 high damage dealing people in the game, yet i am usually thanked alot, early on in the game. now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

No matter how defensively you play you should never score that low on a Paladin. Unless you are a *ahem* not very good player, and if that's the case, you were carried. Also, the Paladin is actually really not very good as a tank. He can only tank from one direction and even then the shield can be glitchy and decide not to block certain things.

Also, *blows own horn* but I regularly get 15+ revives, AND top score, WHILE doing 90% of the objectives. In fact, the people who actively do objectives, revive etc. are usually the ones who top score as well. I've very very rarely met someone who top-scores purely by farming the spawn points and doing nothing else.

Goes to show you suck with the shield, only an idiot goes and deploys it at a spot where all your sides are vulnerable, best played shield decoys do it in a corner spot near doors, or choke points like that. i tank like that regularry on gold. Deploy shield while facing corner, turn while shield being deployed, wait for an enemy to pop in view, ED. rinse and repeat. When playing paladin i usually position myself in such a manner where people can just stop worrying about cover since all the enemies are after me, ofcourse i am not stupid and keep the shield down when banshees or atlasses or brutes or phantoms get to me, but 90% of the enemies are desperately trying to take me down, games where i practise this game style usually are through faster than games where i dont use the shield. Also There are no good or bad builds only good and bad players. I play my paladin both defensively and offensively. if i see there are 1 or 2 heavy hitters in the team already, i play defensive, if the team lacks heavy damage dealers, i go for synergy using my freeze, ED and inc.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 10:24 .

[FlowCytometry]

Again, it was Dagger, and prob not using ED enough and playing 'living decoy'. Paladin isn't much a ranged class since most specs skip Incinerate and take ED for tankiness over outright damage (even worse that he took a Pirahna and pistol). If there were good snipers and spawn nukers in the team, there's not much for him to do aside from protect the flank and spam ED till things actually get in SF/melee range. If he was the only one doing objectives then that makes it worse- his score will go down while everyone else's goes up. He could have ignored the objectives and milked kills like everyone else and prob would have gotten 45k+, even possibly knocking the GI under the 100k range. Not to mention time wasted reviving.

Gold doesn't require the type of players that can top revives, damage, etc all at once. it just requires decent awareness and teamwork, and damage comes w/ teamwork since there are tons of class synergies abound. If a N7 Paladin is w/ a camping team and he can't solo rambo confidently, I'd rather he stick back and try to draw away fire w/ the shield than try to hero SF/melee/TB everything and get killed out all by his lonesome since everyone else is staying back and sniping/nuking everything.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 21 août 2012 - 11:01 .

[Oggy666]

Too little info to judge, but I think you weren't carried in any way, just:
- did anyone notice this wasn't U/U/G? FBDagger Geth! This was cca 240-280K exp.
- first I would not take Piranha on that map, maybe GPS or Harrier, but ok.
- 33+105K probably more than half of overall match exp (what classes were other two?)

I assume other players were mostly killing things at range out of windows, constantly dying there.
OP could only ED + arc, guarding "interior" (running around map alone vs Geth not a good idea).

What were objectives? If soloing 4 devices, hack zone, drone and having others only killing
things outside - not much exp.

So of the above - guarding their backs, constantly reviving them, tanking and debuffing what
came close and soloing objectives - very possible 33K on pre-set gold dagger geth with a
selfish GI racking up kills, not reviving, not doing objectives, probably not sticking with team.

SO NOT CARRIED!

Also this:

Astaiir wrote...

Xbox, my friend.
Idiots. Idiots everywhere.
Change to PC.

[kwndc]

I have had similar experiences. Too many players don't understand what team play is. Everyone doing whatever they can to get the team through.

I have also seen players who don't help the team at all, end up wiping out in middle Waves like 6-7-8 on SILVER and then complain to me, even though I rezzed them multiple times, got top score, did objectives, etc. Basically, I GOT THEM PAID.

I just move on to another game.

[defleshing]

putting up 33000 wielding a piranha on any class is a fail.

[ParatrooperSean]

I don't think anyone can definitively say how much you were contributing without seeing the game itself. I do think it's clear you were at least giving max effort to do your part.

Also, I've seen many Paladins do things like stand on a stairway or ramp holding off Banshees with their shield while the rest of us blast away at it. After I or someone else thanks them they almost always throw in, "No problem, though I don't get any points for it."

They seem to feel they need to preemptively explain themselves for scoring so low, which they shouldn't have to.

I've had Gold games where I felt like I was a drag on the team even though I topped the scoreboard. I scored high because I was being hyper-aggressive, but at the same time my teammates had to revive me a lot. Their time spent reviving could have been spent killing and upping their score.

Judging a player by the score is like judging a baseball player using one, single statistic.

[Agueybana]

One wonders if it ever crossed the minds of the MP team to award points for the health/shields returned to players by reviving them and regenerating their shields?

[SupidSeep]

1) Forget the GI
2) 33k is pretty low for a Gold game, even as support. I geneally play support classes and in worse games I end up between 40-50k ... maybe you need to work on your game to be something more than a moving decoy and damage sponge.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

starlitegirlx wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.

So is this saying that my 33 always at the bottom of the board is inexcusable? I've been playing for two weeks and and up from 6k. And often I'm the one that wears down opponents so the kills are easy for others. They get the higher score after I spend most of my game energy draining, incinierating, or whatever other ability I have that gives the shooters a chance to kill the opponents. Yes, it depends on the character I'm playing, but realy? Telling someone their score is inexcusable is pretty rude.

If you're at the bottom of the scoreboard everytime on gold with 30k, using different characters/weapons each time, that's pretty bad.