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[Draining Dragon]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.

Quite often, I'm fully capable of managing myself but the rest of my team is better than I am. If you're up against three superior players on the scoreboard, then you might very well have a low score while not actually being "carried".

[Freskione2]

starlitegirlx wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.

So is this saying that my 33 always at the bottom of the board is inexcusable? I've been playing for two weeks and and up from 6k. And often I'm the one that wears down opponents so the kills are easy for others. They get the higher score after I spend most of my game energy draining, incinierating, or whatever other ability I have that gives the shooters a chance to kill the opponents. Yes, it depends on the character I'm playing, but realy? Telling someone their score is inexcusable is pretty rude.

This..I have to agree with you.

I've been playing since the Demo and find that when I'm stripping shields and setting up explosions for others to kill, reviving and generally watching my teammates backs my score is lower but as long as I finish the rounds, I never feel a score of 33K is low. 

[Baldsake]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

defleshing wrote...

putting up 33000 wielding a piranha on any class is a fail.

Your opinion which means nothing to me.

Edited to add that I'm bronze and new so 33k is actually good in my opinion. In yours, not, and guess who doesn't care? ME!

 You haven't ventured past bronze yet so of course 33k seems like a lot since that's the average score for a bronze match. On a Gold game you get a lot more points for each kill, generally 33k should be reached by at least the middle of the match. And it's not class dependant as this can be done with classes such as the standard human engineer, a character that many consider as support. Again, score is certainly not the only way to judge effectiveness and this isn't much about who tops the score board, but it does clue you in as to how effective your character was.

exactly, 33k on bronze is ok.. not that it really matters cos its bronze so who cares anyway, really? 33k on gold is low no matter how you look at it. I personally dont care at all but saying 33k is acceptable because you are playing support is a lame excuse.

[Computron2000]

In the OP's case, i don't know for sure but its is easily possible he was not carried since spending time reviving the other "team" members seriously eats into your offense time hence less points.

There was one paladin in a Rio/Gold who played effectively as bait by staying in the container with the 3 grenade ammo box. This was in the first minute of wave 9 and 2 of the others were already down in the middle room and as per commonly seen, didn't medigel. The guy sucked in and held the attention of 2 banshees, a brute, 2 ravagers and managed to survive for ~5 minutes while i took out the other stuff to deplete the wave budget.

I think he made 3rd or 4th that game (40k or so) but he did an invaluable service allowing me to speed up killing each target. Could he had helped me take out the spawns? Probably but given he was using a carnifax or talon, the increase in kill speed would probably be more than penalised by the time both of us spent in cover from ravagers, running from banshees and a greater chance of either needing revive or getting a instakill.

Pros of the guy tanking >>> Pros of the guy helping me shoot stuff

Was i carrying him? Not in any way, because he did his role very well.

Modifié par Computron2000, 21 août 2012 - 01:04 .

[BDelacroix]

The idea is :If your score is less than mine, then I carried you.

Thing is there are many things not scored. That scoreboard is the most evil thing this game has.  Just look at this thread.  See how many are fixated on score?

Hey, if your on a PC I won't mind playing a game with you.  I won't even claim I carried you because I don't think quite as much of that goes on than people would have you think.  You win as a team or lose as a team.

I might also add that I've been in many games where the one who plays aggressively and is down several times a round somehow scores the highest.  If it wasn't for me reviving them, they'd be lying on their backside most of the time.  Still they are rewarded the most for their behavior.

Modifié par BDelacroix, 21 août 2012 - 01:07 .

[Charaxan]

Just...

Ignore.

People tend to be a bit rude those times and now they know what a lot of words means ("to carry someone", "to farm", "to steal kills"...) they just added them up in their insults lexicals and throw them quite randomly when their brain are not able to analyse other things than "I see I kill I blame and I don't have fun".

Take care and have fun.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.

It can be if your team is spread out and you are running from one side of the map to the other.

[ctr2yellowbird]

Not only is 33K a low score on Gold, 105K seems low for a GI... and he was brash enough to call that carrying. Succinctly, did he pull his weight? How often did he die (in comparison to his teammates)? Did you die often? Venture any guesses as to why certain players kept dying? Each death will, or should, distract the dead's teammates. That's another indicator of and detractor from carrying. I would also question why you were in the Gold match at all given your stated progression in the game. I'm not against players trying new things, but know you will often do so at the expense of your teammates, which is a favorable circumstance to be carried.

Also, in my experience, playing defensively without actually killing enemies, as you seemed to imply of yourself, is a losing strategy. It innately is a losing strategy in horde mode. Do more than just strip shields and fire off powers. Finish what you started by killing your target, which should be done by the time your power cools down for use on your next target. If you were "weakening" Primes, why? A Prime is literally worth 2.5 Pyros/Rocket Troopers/Hunters yet often takes around 5 times as long to vanquish as 2.5 of the other units (not a DPS calculation), and boss units will spawn endlessly on Gold at the whims of the enemy spawner. That mechanic isn't exactly explained through the game, but you should suspect as much without confirmation, which we have. In fact, if a distant Prime is shooting at you and you are reasonably certain that no other enemies will near you before it does, just back off and focus your efforts elsewhere. Sometimes it's best to only actually kill the boss units when you need to go through them or they have gotten too close to your squad, lest a new boss unit spawn in front of your team, pushing that offensive forward, and often overwhelming your team's entrenchments. That, of course, assumes your team is not coordinated enough to focus down boss units quickly.

[Shotgun Nova]

Draining Dragon wrote...

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

33 is low. Reviving is no excuse for that.

Quite often, I'm fully capable of managing myself but the rest of my team is better than I am. If you're up against three superior players on the scoreboard, then you might very well have a low score while not actually being "carried".

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No matter how defensively you play you should never score that low on a Paladin. Unless you are a *ahem* not very good player, and if that's the case, you were carried. Also, the Paladin is actually really not very good as a tank. He can only tank from one direction and even then the shield can be glitchy and decide not to block certain things.

Also, *blows own horn* but I regularly get 15+ revives, AND top score, WHILE doing 90% of the objectives. In fact, the people who actively do objectives, revive etc. are usually the ones who top score as well. I've very very rarely met someone who top-scores purely by farming the spawn points and doing nothing else.

Goes to show you suck with the shield, only an idiot goes and deploys it at a spot where all your sides are vulnerable, best played shield decoys do it in a corner spot near doors, or choke points like that. i tank like that regularry on gold. Deploy shield while facing corner, turn while shield being deployed, wait for an enemy to pop in view, ED. rinse and repeat. When playing paladin i usually position myself in such a manner where people can just stop worrying about cover since all the enemies are after me, ofcourse i am not stupid and keep the shield down when banshees or atlasses or brutes or phantoms get to me, but 90% of the enemies are desperately trying to take me down, games where i practise this game style usually are through faster than games where i dont use the shield. Also There are no good or bad builds only good and bad players. I play my paladin both defensively and offensively. if i see there are 1 or 2 heavy hitters in the team already, i play defensive, if the team lacks heavy damage dealers, i go for synergy using my freeze, ED and inc.

Ok, so we're in the business of making blanket statements and sweeping generalistions now are we? No, I am not an idiot. No, I do not deploy it where all sides are vulnerable. I was pointing out the fact that it's NOT A VERY GOOD TANK. Does a Kroguard need to stand in a doorway, or on a corner in order to tank? NO!

On your second "point" such as it is. No, completely wrong. There ARE good and bad builds as well as good and bad players. I don't need protection. I don't need an entire team-mate devoted to getting pummelled. Why? Because I'm skilled enough to not get hit without such a team-mate.

People who use the "I was playing defensively so I only got 30k points" excuse were carried. Simple as that. You can claim to have been defensive until the cows come home. But when "I was playing defensively" is just a euphemism for "I stood there not getting any kills even on my extremely powerful class", it means nothing.

No there are only good and bad players, as one persons bad build, can be other persons good build(AS in he can make it work while the others cant). As far as playing defensive, i will rather have a good defensive 4,8k+ shield tanker in a team than you, any day. Also your initial comment did hint that your shield deployments suck, as the shield cover arc is around 30-45 degrees. place it in a good spot and you can add 270 degrees to the cover, making it a really good "punching bag"

Just today had the team breeze through reactor because i draw all the enemies to the reactor chamber and kept them occupied, while the rest of the team layed waste on them behind me. or at the door ways to the reactor core. i ended up with only 42k+ score, but i will gladly sacrifice personal score over a 18:30-19:00 reactor gold.

and the max 75K credits.

Say what you say, but i keep my statement, there are people who can make the build work, and people who cant. It is up to you which one you are.

Also saying defensive can mean different things for others. for me with paladin, it means soaking as much hits as possible meant for the team mates. and concentrating on blocking a choke point. dont know what it is for you... Venturing the BSN?

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 03:25 .

[Drummernate]

Being first with a GI has nothing to do with it.

If you can come in first with any class than you have more skills than most.

Especially since most GI's suck at survival and go down every 3 seconds.

The Destroyer and Turian Soldier have just as much killing potential.

[DatFeel]

You're either trolling or you got carried.

So which one is it?

[jrgull13]

I ask myself one question about low scoring people..

Did we finish?

If the answer is yes I don't care what their score is, it could be 9k and I'll still play another game with em.

[BDelacroix]

jrgull13 wrote...

I ask myself one question about low scoring people..

Did we finish?

If the answer is yes I don't care what their score is, it could be 9k and I'll still play another game with em.

I miss all the arguments over how the winner of monopoly didn't play optimally.  Esoteric, I know, but you are right.  We won, why do you (not you personally, the general you) care?

Now, if the other players are just standing there and you are the only one doing stuff, then yea, complain away about carrying someone.  Too often players think everyone else is substandard either because the others don't play like they do or worse, its like the boss who assumes you don't work unless they are watching you.  They have no idea.

[jcamdenlane]

Garbage bragger comment - like most self-assigned "carrying" designations. GI scored as high as he did because he wanted to. No one's carrying anyone unless they're soloing rounds 'cause everyone's dead or afk. Objective rounds moreso than non-objective. Massive score just says someone had a good game, perhaps to the detriment of others' scores. It doesn't mean anything unless the score differential reflects response to risk of actual game failure.

Even then, it's tacky to put the little "carrying" crown on your own head. If you're good, just be good - there's no need to parade it around. Makes you seem juvenile.

[brian_breed]

It's interesting to see the rift in the community over this issue.

The simple fact is that if you stripped shields only off of every single enemy and didn't get a single kill, you would have broken 50k. You weren't performing as well as you should for a Gold lobby.

But the term "carry" suggests that you were dead weight. Dead weight does nothing. In fact, dead weight does worse than nothing because they hinder other players. You don't sound like a carry to me.

Drop the Arc Pistol from your setup. Open with a.o.e. Shield Drain on mobs to stun them, move in and use Snap Freeze to deal "massive damage."

[Star fury]

WaffleCrab wrote...
now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

Thought you were a decent poster, I was wrong. From now on you go to ignore list.

[Star fury]

DnVill wrote...

score doesn't matter but it's amusing when other players will try and catch up to your score by using missiles when clearly its not needed. XD

Yeah, it's really funny. Somebody who is on second place, missile last atlas/banshee. Or somebody on a last place desperately tries to get points.

[Kamakazi_K]

Kicking people for having a low score when they were contributing by reviving, stripping sheilds and objectives rounds is pretty much crap imo. I'd like to kick the people who don't get in the circle hack objectives, then die and expect us to leave the area to revive them. Unless they are kiting enemies away of course. I don't kick them, but I'd like to. Your score, which doesn't really matter to me, was a tad low for a Gold game, but that said, it wouldn't bother me in the least, as you were being a team player. I've had far too many Gold games where someone refused to revive the guy right next to him screaming at him to just get himself up.

[synapsefire]

Oh my god people. You all talk like theres no such thing as carrying. Gtf out of here. I carry people in 80% of my games. I recently started experimenting with new guns, weird builds and stuff for fun, the result: I still top the scoreboard but with a much smaller margin and win ratio went from 90% to maybe 30%.. So yes I think its fair to say that there is A LOT of carries out there and if you disagree chances are you're one yourself.

*flameshield activated*

Modifié par synapsefire, 21 août 2012 - 05:31 .