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[CoddyXD]

After looking over the OP manifest he shows the signs of someone who is carried in games.

He isnt maxed on Uncommons yet has half a dozen of every lvl3 ammo type and equipment. This means he is hording them not using them always a bad sign. He is clearly spending all his points on PSP type packs from it too yet has alot of gels and rockets too which shows up bad as a team player.

Simply put he isnt spending mats to help in matchs or scoring well so why should others carry his 30k no equips butt through games.

[WaffleCrab]

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

Thought you were a decent poster, I was wrong. From now on you go to ignore list.

You didnt get my joker and edi reference from me2 xD too bad.

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No matter how defensively you play you should never score that low on a Paladin. Unless you are a *ahem* not very good player, and if that's the case, you were carried. Also, the Paladin is actually really not very good as a tank. He can only tank from one direction and even then the shield can be glitchy and decide not to block certain things.

Also, *blows own horn* but I regularly get 15+ revives, AND top score, WHILE doing 90% of the objectives. In fact, the people who actively do objectives, revive etc. are usually the ones who top score as well. I've very very rarely met someone who top-scores purely by farming the spawn points and doing nothing else.

Goes to show you suck with the shield, only an idiot goes and deploys it at a spot where all your sides are vulnerable, best played shield decoys do it in a corner spot near doors, or choke points like that. i tank like that regularry on gold. Deploy shield while facing corner, turn while shield being deployed, wait for an enemy to pop in view, ED. rinse and repeat. When playing paladin i usually position myself in such a manner where people can just stop worrying about cover since all the enemies are after me, ofcourse i am not stupid and keep the shield down when banshees or atlasses or brutes or phantoms get to me, but 90% of the enemies are desperately trying to take me down, games where i practise this game style usually are through faster than games where i dont use the shield. Also There are no good or bad builds only good and bad players. I play my paladin both defensively and offensively. if i see there are 1 or 2 heavy hitters in the team already, i play defensive, if the team lacks heavy damage dealers, i go for synergy using my freeze, ED and inc.

Ok, so we're in the business of making blanket statements and sweeping generalistions now are we? No, I am not an idiot. No, I do not deploy it where all sides are vulnerable. I was pointing out the fact that it's NOT A VERY GOOD TANK. Does a Kroguard need to stand in a doorway, or on a corner in order to tank? NO!

On your second "point" such as it is. No, completely wrong. There ARE good and bad builds as well as good and bad players. I don't need protection. I don't need an entire team-mate devoted to getting pummelled. Why? Because I'm skilled enough to not get hit without such a team-mate.

People who use the "I was playing defensively so I only got 30k points" excuse were carried. Simple as that. You can claim to have been defensive until the cows come home. But when "I was playing defensively" is just a euphemism for "I stood there not getting any kills even on my extremely powerful class", it means nothing.

No there are only good and bad players, as one persons bad build, can be other persons good build(AS in he can make it work while the others cant). As far as playing defensive, i will rather have a good defensive 4,8k+ shield tanker in a team than you, any day. Also your initial comment did hint that your shield deployments suck, as the shield cover arc is around 30-45 degrees. place it in a good spot and you can add 270 degrees to the cover, making it a really good "punching bag"

Just today had the team breeze through reactor because i draw all the enemies to the reactor chamber and kept them occupied, while the rest of the team layed waste on them behind me. or at the door ways to the reactor core. i ended up with only 42k+ score, but i will gladly sacrifice personal score over a 18:30-19:00 reactor gold.

and the max 75K credits.

Say what you say, but i keep my statement, there are people who can make the build work, and people who cant. It is up to you which one you are.

Also saying defensive can mean different things for others. for me with paladin, it means soaking as much hits as possible meant for the team mates. and concentrating on blocking a choke point. dont know what it is for you... Venturing the BSN?

Making a bad build work does not make it a good build. Awful logic on your part. It makes it a bad build being used by a good player.

I can make any number of truly awful builds work. It doesn't make them good builds.

If you score so poorly on Gold, you're doing something wrong and NOT helping the team as much as you could/should be. End of story.

Your not getting my point here, what i am saying. A build that seems bad for you, might be just fine for someone else. there is no right or wrong build for a said class, there as many good builds, as there are players. Each one has a build that suits them, and some need to struggle to find theirs but they will eventually get there (they get better). Saying someones play style/build sucks, shows ignorance and lack of intelligence, as you fail to realize the simple fact i under lined.

Which makes it worse, is the fact you seem to stare at score alone. Which in turn keep making your arguments invalid.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 05:33 .

[Star fury]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

Thought you were a decent poster, I was wrong. From now on you go to ignore list.

You didnt get my joker and edi reference from me2 xD too bad.

Stfu. It's a joke, funny, isn't it?

[n7andproud]

Why are people obsessed with score oh you scored low you got carried. That is bull**** many times when i play i play support role using powers to help squad members spend allot of time reviving and doing the objectives so i don't get huge scores. Now if you think score is all that matters then the idiot who is only focusing on the kills is carrying the team when he ignores objectives fallen teammates ect. So while the other members of his team our trying to get the mission done he's carrying them because he got a higher score.

Myself i enjoy the support role helping take down shields, being there for teammates when they need it I don't get huge scores but i do get medals, allot of assist head shots too but i try my best to help the team to victory im not being carried im pulling my weight

[WaffleCrab]

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Star fury wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
now stfu, and go pout in the corner and learn to play pally defensively (i imagine this is what joker would have said)

Thought you were a decent poster, I was wrong. From now on you go to ignore list.

You didnt get my joker and edi reference from me2 xD too bad.

Stfu. It's a joke, funny, isn't it?

 why not.

[Mulehorn117]

Stealthy Mantis wrote...

I just finished a firebase Dagger, Geth, Gold, was bottom of the score board with 33k, top had 105k but was using GI. I was using Paladin with arc pistol and Piranha, i constantly was reviving the two others in the game and was most of the time only one doing objectives. on the nonobjective waves i consistantly was taking fire from the primes, hunters and rocket troopers while allowing the others to get behind them. Yet at the end of the match the GI has the nerve to plug him mic in and tell me to get lost as he didnt want to carry my lazy backside any more. 

Can someone please tell me how i was just carried?

It's called, not understanding how a support player(s) assist the team....

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No. Some builds just suck. Are you going to tell me that a HI with no TC, fitness specced into melee, using a Striker assault rifle and a Javelin with Cryo blast maxed and character training specced into power damage is a good build?

If you're sane, you'll answer no to that question. Even though I could probably take said build and do quite well with it, it's still a completely utterly awful build.

Also, I have never ever voted to kick anyone from a lobby and I doubt I ever will. I never brag while in-game or claim that I "carry" my team. If I enjoy the match I will thank my team afterwards, if I don't like the people I'm playing with or can't be bothered carrying them ALL, I will usually leave.

I am saying chances are, out there somewhere in the interwebs, there is someone who would use it effectively. Not saying i would. I would replace javelin with black widow also you implying striker would be a bad weapon on a character with maxed cryoblast would make a bad build, just made me lose every remnant of respect towards you as a player.

Also on top of those, i would take atleast lv5 sticky nades. love em with cryo. and for the record, i had a HI male specced for melee, lv5 TC, cryo blast 6, stickies 6, and all power damage. it was my bread and butter inf. for the early days, worked like a charm.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 06:06 .

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No. Some builds just suck. Are you going to tell me that a HI with no TC, fitness specced into melee, using a Striker assault rifle and a Javelin with Cryo blast maxed and character training specced into power damage is a good build?

If you're sane, you'll answer no to that question. Even though I could probably take said build and do quite well with it, it's still a completely utterly awful build.

Also, I have never ever voted to kick anyone from a lobby and I doubt I ever will. I never brag while in-game or claim that I "carry" my team. If I enjoy the match I will thank my team afterwards, if I don't like the people I'm playing with or can't be bothered carrying them ALL, I will usually leave.

I am saying chances are, out there somewhere in the interwebs, there is someone who would use it effectively. Not saying i would. I would replace javelin with black widow also you implying striker would be a bad weapon on a character with maxed cryoblast would make a bad build, just made me lose every remnant of respect towards you as a player.

Good thing I'm not after your respect then. Sorry if I prefer classes/builds that actually work. Actually killing stuff helps the team more than playing with quirky builds, FYI. The fact that you don't even realise just what makes this class so bad stuns me to be honest.

A) he has no cloak and no extra shields/health, making him squishier than either of the Drell characters, with NO survivability.
his CD is likely to be -200% or something close to it. Thus nullifying any bonus he would actually get from using cryo blast (an already weak power
C) him using sticky grenades would actually HINDER his team (if there were other grenade users on it) by taking grenades that could be arc/multi-frag/homing etc. and using them on the worst grenade type in the game.

tl;dr: You're wrong, admit it and move on.

Thing is we can both be wrong, admit it and move on

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 21 août 2012 - 06:08 .

[synapsefire]

n7andproud wrote...

Why are people obsessed with score oh you scored low you got carried. That is bull**** many times when i play i play support role using powers to help squad members spend allot of time reviving and doing the objectives so i don't get huge scores. Now if you think score is all that matters then the idiot who is only focusing on the kills is carrying the team when he ignores objectives fallen teammates ect. So while the other members of his team our trying to get the mission done he's carrying them because he got a higher score.

Myself i enjoy the support role helping take down shields, being there for teammates when they need it I don't get huge scores but i do get medals, allot of assist head shots too but i try my best to help the team to victory im not being carried im pulling my weight

I do everything you do, except I get a "huge score". People on these forums keep throwing out the "support" word as a justification for getting ****** poor scores and frankly it's getting rather rediculous.

If I have teammates that can compete with me on score I can safely let myself be hugged in wave 9 or bleed out in round 4 saving myself a medigel. If they all have ****** for scores I better not let that happen for two reasons:

1. Most likely one, they will completely fall apart and I go home without profit.
2. I can go out for dinner,eat, come back and one guy will be alive still kiting the Banshee.

Modifié par synapsefire, 21 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[n7andproud]

Good for you then, that's fine you get huge scores. I know how i play and i know i pull my weight support is just that you keep the team in one peace i normally wind up playing medic anyway someone is downed i fight my way over to them revive and keep fighting. Normally when i use my powers or get a enemy down to lower health some one kill steals. That hurts my score normally but i dont care about scores long as i actually help my team sides ive been last man standing several times and won those rounds.
So you can shove that "scores mean everything" into the nearest black hole. i do what i can and i get things down if everyone else gets more kills or kill steals who am i to care i still get paid and i pulled my weight.

[n7andproud]

Still i play and I pull my weight end of story, seriously casting judgments without playing with the people mean nothing.

[PR PistonRage]

Stealthy Mantis wrote...

I just finished a firebase Dagger, Geth, Gold, was bottom of the score board with 33k, top had 105k but was using GI. I was using Paladin with arc pistol and Piranha, i constantly was reviving the two others in the game and was most of the time only one doing objectives. on the nonobjective waves i consistantly was taking fire from the primes, hunters and rocket troopers while allowing the others to get behind them. Yet at the end of the match the GI has the nerve to plug him mic in and tell me to get lost as he didnt want to carry my lazy backside any more. 

Can someone please tell me how i was just carried?

I find that the people running around taking risks often get downed. They also in my experience score higher. It is possibly fair to say that these people think having the highest score makes them a better player. Often not the case as you learn everytime you need to scrape them off the floor. It can't be helped that they are so narrow minded that they forget how many times their risky antics got them floored and how many time the 'carried' had to literally pick up or 'carry' their crippled rear off the deck.

I tend to just laugh at these morons. End of the day it is a game, it is suppose to be fun, as well as a cooperative  game. There are no winner or losers so long as you reach the evac. Team work is a much better way of playing this game and yields better rewards because together, it is easier which means higher difficulties can be overcome. Try and get into a group and play with them. It's much better than random games with random people.

[NuclearTech76]

Stealthy Mantis wrote...

I just finished a firebase Dagger, Geth, Gold, was bottom of the score board with 33k, top had 105k but was using GI. I was using Paladin with arc pistol and Piranha, i constantly was reviving the two others in the game and was most of the time only one doing objectives. on the nonobjective waves i consistantly was taking fire from the primes, hunters and rocket troopers while allowing the others to get behind them. Yet at the end of the match the GI has the nerve to plug him mic in and tell me to get lost as he didnt want to carry my lazy backside any more. 

Can someone please tell me how i was just carried?

33K in a gold match is getting carried usually. It may not have been that bad if you had several revives and did all the objectives but that is kind of a low score. Ditch the arc pistol for something worth a damn at range. Keep the piranha. Throw some disruptor rounds on and you should be getting some tech bursts and doing a bit more damage.

[Lucius Aelius]

People need to realize score isn't totally meaningless just because it isn't comprehensive, with enough context (character/build/consumables, map/enemy/dificulty, medals earned, and most importantly first hand experience both of the game in question and the typical performance good players can achieve given different classes) it is very possible to fill in the blanks ourselves and put 2 and 2 together. Tbe way score works is that you get points for killing enemies (and damaging them, but a disproportionate number of points for the killing shot) and some for completing objectives (about the same number of points as a boss enemy) and of course from earning medals (20 HS, 15 melee, etc.) comparable to the point boost of killstreaks or from extraction.

While it isn't as effective as it should be at representing in-game performance, that score can be put together with all that other info and used in comparisons between players of any given match. It isn't uber-accurate, but it is approximate at the least and as such not totally meaningless. As for sweeping claims of minimum scores necessary to have properly contributed, those stem as much from experience as much as anything, 99.9% of the time someone with a score (on Gold+) of 50k (40k with specified enemy/map) or below is someone who didn't contribute, regardless of the spread of scores.

Some scores are just so low that it simply isn't possible to have contributed enough not to be carried, whatever the reason for your low score not even all the other considerations added together outway how little you did of the things score does count, damage to enemies among them, which is an aspect that is very important for proper contribution and cannot be outweighed by reviving and "support" beyond the threshold of the minimum score. That's why it is the "minimum" score, it's the point beyond which no amount of other considerations can outweigh the lowness of the score.

Maybe my numbers are off (it's all very roughly thrown together in my head by way of experience and retrospection, this being the first time I've written it all down), but the concept and basis of my process is sound, and IMO 50k is the bare minimum for any charachter/build/whatever (on Unknown/Unknown/Gold, 40k Any/Any/Gold, 60k U/U/Platinum). Any less and you should play on a lower difficulty, and even people scoring higher I would often say the same of, achieving the bare minimum still isn't very good (and if the person in first place has a higher score than everyone else combined, even bare minimum isn't enough to say you weren't carried, barring extenuating circumstances (just as low score doesn't mean much on it's own, so too must high scores be viewed with caution).

People taking issue with my opinion of where the bare minimum lies is fair game (it is, after all, an opinion), but it is a fact that there is a bare minimum, wherever it lies. So in conclusion, score on it's own is almost meaningless, but there is a bare minimum and there is also room for comparison between players of a single match, albeit only with as much background information as possible.

[masoidthedroid]

JShepppp wrote...

Dude, I'd rather take a team player like you over a jerk like him. Usually most people can eventually do gold if given enough time (eg engineers are "slower" killers than vanguards but that doesn't mean the engineer cannot hold his or her own) and it is just a first come first serve basis.

Trust me, when the important credit waves come around and you get swarmed or need cover fire, support teammates are infinitely better than the score obsessed people.

I would take someone getting 100k over 33k anyday, it nearly always makes it easier to play with someone who actually kills things, instead of making the excuse that they were "being supportive".

Playing platinum, I hardly ever see anybody succeed unless they are killing enemies first and foremost, regardless of class/abilities. Excuses of being a team player usually end up meaning bad player.

[whateverman7]

just ignore that person OP...it's obviously, he only cares about score...what's funny though, the min he gets outscored, he will do 1 of 2 things: leave the lobby(which most likely will happen) or next time he will go all out to try to top the scoreboard...if he doesnt succeed after going all at, he'll then leave the lobby lol...

on another note: i find it hilarious how people think the GI is some almighty character that cant be outscored...it's not, i'm just leave it at that

Modifié par whateverman7, 21 août 2012 - 08:00 .

[WaffleCrab]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No. There are not two sides of varying correctness to every debate. It's possible that one side is simply wrong.

I am sorry, what did you say? I was too busy having fun with my old build to hear your meaty parts flap around(That is a reference to borderlands, for people who dont get references.)

But i should thank you also. You sparked a new series.

[Maker MEDA]

Seems to me it's one of those bad teams to begin with, if they keep dying all the time and you have to manage them, protect them, their play style aren't right anyway. Players with skills wanting trashing other, it's not the first time someone try to be bossy with nothing to show for it.

Paladin by nature do tend to get lower score, when you're doing debuffing and the teammates especially high power ones get all the kills. When I play Paladin, but then I'm still second on the score board. But the Geth infiltrator just fly through the roof at 100K as well.

[nicethugbert]

All you ppl saying the OP is carried, can you guys do better than this? Check out the score board at the end.