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[Eternal Dust]

It's Dragon Age. Just slap on the blood dragon symbol and we're good to go. I hope they do away with the iconic character nonsense. It's a ridiculous marketing strategy that drives away more people than it brings in.

[Xerxes52]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Hopefully if they do FemQuisitor marketing they don't make her as weird looking as FemShep in ME3.
I'm still dumbfounded by how they screwed up the art-to-game transition with FemShep's face so badly.

Indeed.


I'm fine with having both a male and female protag trailer.

As for the cover, just make it reversable like ME3, I thought that was a nice touch.

[CuriousArtemis]

Giltspur wrote...

And some women (even moreso than men, it seems) are more inclined to identify with or imagine themselves as a character than to view it as some third-person entity to be manipulated from afar. 

I think you're very right about that broad statistic, and it's something that surprised me when I first came to the BSN.  I am female, but I never envision myself as the character.  But a lot of other women seem to.  They get pretty attached to their character's LI, as if it were their own... (and that is not a bad thing)

BUT ... can we say that the guys on this forum don't do the same thing?  How many guys go on about Morrigan or whomever.  I think male gamers also "wish fulfill" by imagining themselves bearded, bad ass, and holding a big sword. And a pretty mage girl by their side.

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Compare that to a woman flinging huge fireballs or huge swords around and her strength is much more apparent and obvious, with no need at any extra dialogue or anything to drive the point home.

 

When I replayed ME3 for the third time and decided to play a FemShep, it literally gave me chills when the words on the screen said something like "She was the only one who could save the universe" (or whatever the line is).  It's really sad how deeply that affected me.

Merci357 wrote...

There's no need to explain why a female could possibly be the hero, it's just a given. 

 

BW's worlds that they create are so much more progressive than their own marketing campaigns. Men and women are almost equal in DA universe (my only quibble is that women who aren't soldiers still wear dresses ... ALL OF THEM).  Yet the company itself is too terrified to even put a woman on the cover.

Cimeas wrote...

Sure, but is Dragon Age really the trailblazer for that?  I daresay it's audience is more the people who already know and play RPGs, and sadly as we know that audience is mostly male for a fact. 

 

Just want to point out that before DA I played primarily shooters.  DA2 lured me in.  Then I played DA:O, then ME3, etc.  

So yes I think DA is a gateway game.  It's very, very friendly to female gamers.  It has STRONG female characters.  It has romance (that is a stereotype; not all women love romance.  But many do.)  It has same-sex romance, which also is attractive to some female gamers.

cogsandcurls wrote...

Re: the statistics for Femshep, I'd be REALLY interested to see how it lines up compared to a game like DA2, because DA2 had a really nice initial character select screen where for once, M!Hawke wasn't the default.

 

I want to also suggest that:

Not everyone who played FemShep was female.
Not everyone who played BroShep was male.

So the FemShep statistic is pretty useless for this argument, I think *rubs chin*

Modifié par motomotogirl, 22 août 2012 - 05:46 .

[Alexander1136]

 Tottaly agree, A kick ass chick that's not too "sexed" up and is just straight up BAMF would be tight. I liked jane shep in ME3

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't give a rats ass who is in the trailer - I just want them to focus their attention and $$$ on the game, not trailers.

[Chipaway111]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't give a rats ass who is in the trailer - I just want them to focus their attention and $$$ on the game, not trailers.

This.

But.. I like what BioWare did with ME3, they released a trailer with manShep, then did the same for femShep, the protagonist was easily interchangeable there because neither were doing anything assosciated with their gender, but rather what the game was about. Maybe focus on that instead of "We're using a woman, instead of a guy!" if they do use a female for the next trailers instead of your young, grizzled, brown haired generically handsome pick of the week.

If any of that made sense, I'm a little all over the place with my thoughts.

Modifié par Chipaway111, 22 août 2012 - 07:40 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Frankly, does the main protagonist even HAVE to be in the trailer?

Are you trying to sell us the protagonist (which should be our to make) or the world/setting/adventure?

Seriously..

[Little Princess Peach]

I support this but really it just be a copy and paste of the male version like they did to Shepardo

[cogsandcurls]

motomotogirl wrote...

I want to also suggest that:

Not everyone who played FemShep was female.
Not everyone who played BroShep was male.

So the FemShep statistic is pretty useless for this argument, I think *rubs chin*

This is true, of course (I tend to alternate genders between each run myself).

[Lord Gremlin]

Eternal Dust wrote...

It's Dragon Age. Just slap on the blood dragon symbol and we're good to go. I hope they do away with the iconic character nonsense. It's a ridiculous marketing strategy that drives away more people than it brings in.

True. This iconic character thing works only if that's not the player character. For example, in Dragon's Dogma iconic poster character is an ancient Arisen, that came ages before your character. It sort of works for them.
With Dragon Age it's just obnoxious. That ugly dude from the cover is not in your game, why is he on the cover?

Bioware is constantly trying to appeal to the audience that don't play role-playing games. No, you won't sell 5 million copies because it's not CoD and not GTA, and not Skyrim. And you can't ape those games and hope for high sales - you need to grow a franchise for decades until it eventually starts selling 5 million copies - so far with DAO to DA2 transition bioware diminished the franchise instead of growing it.

[syllogi]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Frankly, does the main protagonist even HAVE to be in the trailer?

Are you trying to sell us the protagonist (which should be our to make) or the world/setting/adventure?

Seriously..

If this were a game like Skyrim, I could easily see a trailer being made with no protagonist (and frankly, the faceless Viking bro they did use was pretty boring and should have been scratched), but the Dragon Age games have been more about the character interaction and story than the world, especially DA2. 

It's really hard to separate the adventure from showing the main character in a modern Bioware game, especially since they're now pretty heavily cinematic.  Also, some people do want some idea of what their character could be, even if their character isn't going to look like the default. 

[Spicen]

Chipaway111 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I don't give a rats ass who is in the trailer - I just want them to focus their attention and $$$ on the game, not trailers.

This.

But.. I like what BioWare did with ME3, they released a trailer with manShep, then did the same for femShep, the protagonist was easily interchangeable there because neither were doing anything assosciated with their gender, but rather what the game was about. Maybe focus on that instead of "We're using a woman, instead of a guy!" if they do use a female for the next trailers instead of your young, grizzled, brown haired generically handsome pick of the week.

If any of that made sense, I'm a little all over the place with my thoughts.

One thing id like to say is that if BW use femqiusitor instead of male on the cover.......well u have to understand that while western countries would welcome this idea, do u have ideas on what will happen to sales in Malaysia, Singapore and especially Indonesia as well as India or did u forget about hard core gamers. These gamers make the bulk of the total buyers of the game. If they see a female PC on the cover theyll say, "hey saleclark i dont want a barbie game give The Witcher 3 or Battlefield 4, now they are real games, not BarbieWare games." Action gamers will definitely be affected as well as Asian players, but if u guys like it in Canada, ver well. Its ur game not mine. I know when to walk away.

[Momiji.mii]

Like many others have already said in the thread, featuring both the female and the male PC in the trailer would be a good option. Just cut the trailer so it's obvious that this is the same character, put emphasis on the fact that you can choose/customize, mix it up a little if possible LI-material is introduced (i.e. not just showing mHawke + Isabella like the DA2 trailer did).