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[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss why are you still here after a good number of people have given you proof?

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong while the evidence hasn't been shown.

[Blueprotoss]

Hannah Montana wrote...

This is an honest question.

Do you think the galaxy would depend on anyone but a straight white male?

Nope even when most of the action heroes are Straight, White, and Male.

[The Angry One]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Every military branch has women in them while the men still vastly outnumber the women.

So?

Yet you assume that I have an issue, which I don't, even when I only play as a FemShep and killed Kaidan.

I'm directing this to those who have an apparent issue with this in general, again I know you're trying to get a rise out of people. Nobody can be that obtuse.

TCanon is everywhere throughout the ME series while that happens in most RPGs like Fallout, the Elder Scrolls, the Witcher, DA, KotOR, Neverwinter, Persona, and .Hack.   The list can go on and on whether we're talking about Western or Eastern based RPGs.

Main character canon is never imposed in games such as this, or never should be imposed.
Hell part of the reason BioWare started to make their own IPs is because meddlers from Lucasfilm and whoever owns D&D kept doing just that, to the vast annoyance of everybody involved, developer and player alike.

Of the games you mentioned with customisable leads, only KotOR did this (due to external interference, KotOR2 let you choose Revan's gender) and Fallout 1 (which was such a dumb idea that it was never done again in the series).

[Rafficus III]

People take things too seriously. This is just a game, nothing more. As of right now, Shep has been marketed as a man more often than FemShep; it's been that way since the beginning. Shep has had more LI's geared to a heterosexual male. Shep is listed as a male for the movie, which has been said to be extremely dependent on the series flow. And in the end, it doesn't matter what gender Shep is. Yes, Hale is a talented actress and you may have the most awesome FemShep I have yet to see, but it is what it is; it's just a game and FemShep has a very loyal and vocal fanbase which several surveys show is in the minority. Outside of the above, there is no other proof for gender because it doesn't matter. Shep is meant to dependent on our ideas and imagination, which is what good RPG should be. So stop insulting one another, it's just downright shameful.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss why are you still here after a good number of people have given you proof?

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong while the evidence hasn't been shown.

then since you can't read on the forums, how about you read one of the books yourself

[Hannah Montana]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

This is an honest question.

Do you think the galaxy would depend on anyone but a straight white male?

Nope even when most of the action heroes are Straight, White, and Male.

Did you mean to say yes?
Saying nope means they would not depend on anyone but that.

[AresKeith]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

People take things too seriously. This is just a game, nothing more. As of right now, Shep has been marketed as a man more often than FemShep; it's been that way since the beginning. Shep has had more LI's geared to a heterosexual male. Shep is listed as a male for the movie, which has been said to be extremely dependent on the series flow. And in the end, it doesn't matter what gender Shep is. Yes, Hale is a talented actress and you may have the most awesome FemShep I have yet to see, but it is what it is; it's just a game and FemShep has a very loyal and vocal fanbase which several surveys show is in the minority. Outside of the above, there is no other proof for gender because it doesn't matter. Shep is meant to dependent on our ideas and imagination, which is what good RPG should be. So stop insulting one another, it's just downright shameful.

this must be your first time in the forums then

[Rafficus III]

AresKeith wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

People take things too seriously. This is just a game, nothing more. As of right now, Shep has been marketed as a man more often than FemShep; it's been that way since the beginning. Shep has had more LI's geared to a heterosexual male. Shep is listed as a male for the movie, which has been said to be extremely dependent on the series flow. And in the end, it doesn't matter what gender Shep is. Yes, Hale is a talented actress and you may have the most awesome FemShep I have yet to see, but it is what it is; it's just a game and FemShep has a very loyal and vocal fanbase which several surveys show is in the minority. Outside of the above, there is no other proof for gender because it doesn't matter. Shep is meant to dependent on our ideas and imagination, which is what good RPG should be. So stop insulting one another, it's just downright shameful.

this must be your first time in the forums then

Eh, I come and go. I stay long enough to voice my opinions in a respectable manner for Bioware to see and balance things out, then I leave as BSN is a very terrible place to be at times. 

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...
He won't. People asked him to do that and he deflected like a troll would. He's trolling. He'll say something like "No you have to show me a page" even though he was the one who brought that to the conversation.

• Why would I buy someone a book.
• Opinion isthe game you play.
• This is "trolling":  
  http://www.urbandict....php?term=troll
• Practice what you preach.

  When people are obviously being a troll, I don't click any link the person provides. So not happening. Or why not answer the question since you were the one who brought up the books, what book backs up your statement? If you can't answer that, just say so or you will expose yourself as the troll everyone knows you are.

[sheppard7]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

People take things too seriously. This is just a game, nothing more. As of right now, Shep has been marketed as a man more often than FemShep; it's been that way since the beginning. Shep has had more LI's geared to a heterosexual male. Shep is listed as a male for the movie, which has been said to be extremely dependent on the series flow. And in the end, it doesn't matter what gender Shep is. Yes, Hale is a talented actress and you may have the most awesome FemShep I have yet to see, but it is what it is; it's just a game and FemShep has a very loyal and vocal fanbase which several surveys show is in the minority. Outside of the above, there is no other proof for gender because it doesn't matter. Shep is meant to dependent on our ideas and imagination, which is what good RPG should be. So stop insulting one another, it's just downright shameful.

The movie is destined to fail now that Bioware crapped over Shepard if they are making the movie about Shepard after all. So might be the 7 or 8 people that go watch it will actually care.

[Rafficus III]

sheppard7 wrote...


The movie is destined to fail now that Bioware crapped over Shepard if they are making the movie about Shepard after all. So might be the 7 or 8 people that go watch it will actually care.

Truthfully, playing through ME3 the first time, it felt like I was leading my Shep to the slaughter the further the story progressed. I did LOL at the second statement though. 

[sheppard7]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...


The movie is destined to fail now that Bioware crapped over Shepard if they are making the movie about Shepard after all. So might be the 7 or 8 people that go watch it will actually care.

Truthfully, playing through ME3 the first time, it felt like I was leading my Shep to the slaughter the further the story progressed. I did LOL at the second statement though. 

There have been movies/tv shows that changed endings of the source material. Or even if the movie isn't based on something, Hollywood has gone back and changed endings based on people's response to early viewing focus groups.

It's how LL Cool J wasn't a movie trope in Deep Blue Sea where black dude was going to die but the focus groups liked his character too much they went back and changed the ending so he lived. And that's just one example.

So the movie might do a FU to Bioware's Artistic Integrity.

Modifié par sheppard7, 21 août 2012 - 06:01 .

[paleobones]

hoodaticus wrote...

Never argue with stupid people; they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

lol

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Page 6-7 Retribution:
"Commander Shepard had discovered that human colonists were being abducted by the Collectors, a reclusive species that served the will of the Reapers without question. "

"Shepard-with Cerberus's help-had destroyed the Collector operations."

"The plan to replicate the Collector experiments would progress in secret, without Shepard's knowledge or involvement. The alliance between Cerberus and humanity's most famus hero had been uneasy at best; neither side had fully trusted the other. It was possible they might together again in the future, but for now the Illusive Man was only willing to rely on his own top agents."

No gender specified, now provide specific pages where Shepard is referred to as a male in either book or conceed the point.

Post a link because this still isn't evidence because quotes are normally altered on BSN.

https://7chan.org/li...Retribution.pdf
Begins on page 4 there. I await YOUR evidence proving me wrong.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 21 août 2012 - 06:11 .

[Blueprotoss]

The Angry One wrote...

So?

Sexism isn't the answer.

The Angry One wrote... 

I'm directing this to those who have an apparent issue with this in general, again I know you're trying to get a rise out of people. Nobody can be that obtuse.

If someone is trying to get a rise out of people then it would be you trying to start arguements.

The Angry One wrote... 

Main character canon is never imposed in games such as this, or never should be imposed.
Hell part of the reason BioWare started to make their own IPs is because meddlers from Lucasfilm and whoever owns D&D kept doing just that, to the vast annoyance of everybody involved, developer and player alike.

Thats a lie because there is always an established story whether its simple or complex.  This happens in Fallout, the Elder Scrolls, the Witcher, DA, KotOR, Neverwinter, Persona, and .Hack.   Again the list can go on and on whether we're talking about Western or Eastern based RPGs. 

The Angry One wrote...  

Of the games you mentioned with customisable leads, only KotOR did this (due to external interference, KotOR2 let you choose Revan's gender) and Fallout 1 (which was such a dumb idea that it was never done again in the series).

How is that dumb when the story isn't created by the player in those games.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss why are you still here after a good number of people have given you proof?

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong while the evidence hasn't been shown.

then since you can't read on the forums, how about you read one of the books yourself

Insulting people still won't help you.

[Blueprotoss]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

This is an honest question.

Do you think the galaxy would depend on anyone but a straight white male?

Nope even when most of the action heroes are Straight, White, and Male.

Did you mean to say yes?
Saying nope means they would not depend on anyone but that.

The answer is no while there are a lot more action heroes that are Straight, White, and Male who save the day.

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Page 6-7 Retribution:
"Commander Shepard had discovered that human colonists were being abducted by the Collectors, a reclusive species that served the will of the Reapers without question. "

"Shepard-with Cerberus's help-had destroyed the Collector operations."

"The plan to replicate the Collector experiments would progress in secret, without Shepard's knowledge or involvement. The alliance between Cerberus and humanity's most famus hero had been uneasy at best; neither side had fully trusted the other. It was possible they might together again in the future, but for now the Illusive Man was only willing to rely on his own top agents."

No gender specified, now provide specific pages where Shepard is referred to as a male in either book or conceed the point.

Post a link because this still isn't evidence because quotes are normally altered on BSN.

https://7chan.org/li...Retribution.pdf
Begins on page 4 there. I await YOUR evidence proving me wrong.

Thats a start while next you should name the pages.

[Ledgend1221]

The Angry One wrote...

Of the games you mentioned with customisable leads, only KotOR did this (due to external interference, KotOR2 let you choose Revan's gender) and Fallout 1 (which was such a dumb idea that it was never done again in the series).



Fallout 2's protagonist is confirmed to be male.

Modifié par Ledgend1221, 21 août 2012 - 07:52 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

When people are obviously being a troll, I don't click any link the person provides. So not happening. Or why not answer the question since you were the one who brought up the books, what book backs up your statement? If you can't answer that, just say so or you will expose yourself as the troll everyone knows you are.

Yet you still don't know what the word "troll" means since you assume itss anyone that disagrees with you, which that isn't logical.  I see you won't practice what you preach because you don't want to be wrong even when you wrong almost all the time.

sheppard7 wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

People take things too seriously. This is just a game, nothing more. As of right now, Shep has been marketed as a man more often than FemShep; it's been that way since the beginning. Shep has had more LI's geared to a heterosexual male. Shep is listed as a male for the movie, which has been said to be extremely dependent on the series flow. And in the end, it doesn't matter what gender Shep is. Yes, Hale is a talented actress and you may have the most awesome FemShep I have yet to see, but it is what it is; it's just a game and FemShep has a very loyal and vocal fanbase which several surveys show is in the minority. Outside of the above, there is no other proof for gender because it doesn't matter. Shep is meant to dependent on our ideas and imagination, which is what good RPG should be. So stop insulting one another, it's just downright shameful.

The movie is destined to fail now that Bioware crapped over Shepard if they are making the movie about Shepard after all. So might be the 7 or 8 people that go watch it will actually care.

Yet you assume this even when most of the video game movie adaptations do pretty well in Theaters.  Either way Bioware can do whatever they want with ME since they own it and created it. 

sheppard7 wrote...

So the movie might do a FU to Bioware's Artistic Integrity.

If thats the case then buy the ME rights and create a ME game. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 07:53 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Page 6-7 Retribution:
"Commander Shepard had discovered that human colonists were being abducted by the Collectors, a reclusive species that served the will of the Reapers without question. "

"Shepard-with Cerberus's help-had destroyed the Collector operations."

"The plan to replicate the Collector experiments would progress in secret, without Shepard's knowledge or involvement. The alliance between Cerberus and humanity's most famus hero had been uneasy at best; neither side had fully trusted the other. It was possible they might together again in the future, but for now the Illusive Man was only willing to rely on his own top agents."

No gender specified, now provide specific pages where Shepard is referred to as a male in either book or conceed the point.

Post a link because this still isn't evidence because quotes are normally altered on BSN.

https://7chan.org/li...Retribution.pdf
Begins on page 4 there. I await YOUR evidence proving me wrong.

Thats a start while next you should name the pages.

Read what people post.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 21 août 2012 - 07:55 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss why are you still here after a good number of people have given you proof?

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong while the evidence hasn't been shown.

then since you can't read on the forums, how about you read one of the books yourself

Insulting people still won't help you.

how about you look at the whole comment, when I said read the books for yourself

[The Angry One]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Fallout 2's protagonist is confirmed to be male.

No it isn't. Some people think it does because of a character in FNV that describes the potential son of the male Fallout 2 character.
It's an easter egg, and literally ANY male wanderer in Fallout 2's era could've sired Mr. Bishop. In other words it's a male chosen one's son if you want it to be, and only if you want it to be. That's the point.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 août 2012 - 08:00 .

[Auztin]

"See a feminist post & ****** post"There is no canon.They just have a default Shepard that i s male.There is no canon.

[Ledgend1221]

The Angry One wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Fallout 2's protagonist is confirmed to be male.

No it isn't. Some people think it does because of a character in FNV that describes the potential son of the male Fallout 2 character.
It's an easter egg, and literally ANY male wanderer in Fallout 2's era could've sired Mr. Bishop. In other words it's a male chosen one's son if you want it to be, and only if you want it to be. That's the point.

Its made clear that it is the chosen one's son. The way he is described is similar to one of the ending slides of Fallout 2. It's not a piece of the Couriers dialouge, it is said by another character in the universe. It is canon until something proves otherwise.

Modifié par Ledgend1221, 21 août 2012 - 08:04 .