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[ShadowLordXII]

Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if Loghain were drawn into the fade by a mage or a demon and forced into a illusionary situation similar to what happened to you and your companions in DA: Origins?

Would he be aware of the illusion? How do you think he would respond to the illusion? Who and what would he see?

I'd think that it would either be Maric berating him on his failure to protect Ferelden during the Blight; allowing Howe to get away with his treachery; all of the shady things that he did as regent; and getting Cailan killed while the two men stand in a field littered with hundreds/thousands of Ferelden people who died because of his actions.

or... 

He'd be sitting in a feasting hall with Maric; Rowan; Cailan; Anora and Alistair drinking merrily about how they defeated the darkspawn and handed the Orleisans their own arses on a silver platter.

Thoughts?

[Dave of Canada]

 If I'm not mistaken, there was a written scene but was never implemented. I'm pretty sure this is the scene but created by modders.

[jackkel dragon]

I didn't know there was dialogue written for the scene that modders had access to, but the young Cailan and Maric faces from Loghain's Fade nightmare in that video were in the toolset resources. From what I understand, the Landsmeet was going to be accessable much earlier in the game during an earlier part of development, but once it was moved to the end of the game many scenes (like Loghain's Fade nightmare) got cut.

As for the question of the topic; I find it hard to think of anything other than the removed scene after finding the resources for it in the toolset.

[ShadowLordXII]

Dave of Canada wrote...

 If I'm not mistaken, there was a written scene but was never implemented. I'm pretty sure this is the scene but created by modders.

Yeah...that would be appropriate for Loghain's situation.  Except that Loghain's comeback isn't an admission of guilt or that he made a mistake with abandoning Cailan; causing the Civil by declaring himself Regent; or anything that he did to hand Ferelden over to the Darkspawn during the Blight.

But, I gather that it's counter to Loghain's personality to ever admit when he's made a mistake, so that's alright.

[Corker]

The Sloth Demon shows the companions scenes they feel that they cannot leave. The "restored nightmare' is nightmarish and appropriate to Loghain, but not really to the Sloth Demon.

I would have guessed a strategy session with Maric and Rowan, possibly the night before the battle of River Dane. Abandoning the planning would be abandoning the rebellion in its hour of need, and it would very, very difficult for Loghain to do that.

[Fiacre]

Considering Morrigan's nightmare (I'm still not sure why she couldn't leave despite realizing where she was and having no reason to stay) and especially the Warden's, it wouldn't be the first time the Sloth Demon failed.

[Corker]

But the attempt should be in the same class as the other attempts. No events begin and end in the others, they're just continuous, unchanging scenarios: praying, enduring torture, waiting for mince pies that will never come, singing glorious songs, puttering around camp, chatting with dear old mom. (IIRC, Morrigan wants help fighting 'Flemeth,' which is why she waits; sort of a weak argument but I'll buy it.)

So... arguing with Maric over how Cailan is being raised, yes. That could be a thing that would work, because the argument would go around and around, never ending. But you can't keep killing Cailan on infinite loop. It's not a persistent scenario, and the others are.

[Saberchic]

Dave of Canada wrote...

 If I'm not mistaken, there was a written scene but was never implemented. I'm pretty sure this is the scene but created by modders.

I wish we'd been able to experience that in game. I think having Loghain along for the journey would have been quite insightful (as opposed to getting him at the end).

[TEWR]

Corker wrote...

The Sloth Demon shows the companions scenes they feel that they cannot leave. The "restored nightmare' is nightmarish and appropriate to Loghain, but not really to the Sloth Demon.

Unless it was a repeating nightmare, where every time Loghain succeeded the nightmare repeated itself. Considering the Warden had killed various Demons that held dominion over certain areas of Sloth's territory, one could make a case that this weakened the nightmare and kept it from repeating itself once the Warden came in to the picture.

Merely my own thoughts with nothing to back it up, mind you. But having Loghain always kill Maric would be pretty nightmarish, whether or not Loghain could remember doing so prior.

Corker wrote...
I would have guessed a strategy session with Maric and Rowan, possibly the night before the battle of River Dane. Abandoning the planning would be abandoning the rebellion in its hour of need, and it would very, very difficult for Loghain to do that.

I could see that.

[Renmiri1]

Maric's Fade dream life had Loghain married to Rowan and he married to Kathrin. We know Loghain and Rowan loved each other once.. And he made Rowan go back to Maric. I think his dream life would be similar to Maric's

[Saberchic]

Yes, I agree. If the demon is going to give him something that would make him want to stay, Rowan would be the way to go.

[Sabariel]

He'd see Maric and Cailan dressed up as Orlesian Dancing Girls. A terrible nightmare, that.

[DPSSOC]

I'm seeing Maric sitting on a throne made of Orlesian skulls with the former Empress serving him wine. The one scenario Loghain would never be able to bring himself to leave.

[sylvanaerie]

Sabariel wrote...

He'd see Maric and Cailan dressed up as Orlesian Dancing Girls. A terrible nightmare, that.

Dancing the Remigold?

[Sabariel]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

He'd see Maric and Cailan dressed up as Orlesian Dancing Girls. A terrible nightmare, that.

Dancing the Remigold?

That, and the cancan.