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[Kabraxal]

Blueprotoss wrote...

iakus wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Glad Shepard's dead.

He died a Hero. Doesn't mean Future or Past ME series will be bad

It means we can never trust Bioware again when they make claims that choices matter, players have agency, or when they say "these are your characters" in their games.  They have demonstrated they can and will arbitrarilly take them all away and burn them right in front of you.

And then call it "art"

How is that when Bioware has always had a small uproar that appear around their games just like what happens with most Developers.   Maybe you should be focusing on how games are designed around millions of people just like with movies, tv shows, comics, novels, and songs.

You realise Bioware actually PROMISED a vareiy of endings and that they were going to go all out for end of the trilogy?  Instead we got railroaded so many times throughout the game... rachni decision?  o right, new players and can have content not show up in a playthough so that decision is thrown out the window from ME1... characters being dead from 1 and 2?  doesn't matter, you'll get pretty much a line for line replacement so the missions play the exact same way.  Worked your butt off to unite the galaxy?  Get three endings, two of which aren't that different, a third that offers no closure on Shepard, a new ending that is just a giant tantrum for not seeing the greatness of the other endings, and o... no real closure in any of those endings for the characters you've spent quite a few hours with.  

If they didn't promise that our choices had meaning and would greatly vary the experience, the complaining wouldn't be as bad as it is.  Still be there for the horribly cliched and terribly writting 'art"... but at least it wouldn't feel like a complete betrayl.

[Creston918]

Because it's bittersweet and edgy, dawg! It allows Mac to give in to his inner emo child!

[Kais Endac]

The fact is that in most of Bioware’s previous games there is always a choice to the ending like in Jade empire you could choose to sacrifice your life, not have it forced upon you same with dragon age origins it gave you the choice of how you wanted your hero to finish the game. They both catered to those who like the hero dying in a noble sacrifice or to live and reunite with their LI.

I personally hate sacrificial endings I prefer the hero living afterwards however I like the fact that I have the choice to do it. What annoys me in Mass effect 3 is my choice has been taken away (I know it’s possible to live through the destroy ending but its left up to speculation and imagination which is not the same as seeing it happen) I understand they wanted it to be clear that sacrifices had to be made but that went too far for me.

Also I wanted to note that the fatality rate of bioware hero’s is quite high Revan is killed in the old republic (maybe?) the exile though an obsidian character is killed in the book, The grey warden has disappeared likely dead and so did hawke to be honest is getting kinda old.

Let me be clear though I love bioware games and will continue to buy them even though the last two entries have had problems. The only problems I really have had with the mass effect trilogy have been the ending to no.3, the railroading of the virmire survivor (who was my LI) in 2 and the missing crew interaction that was in the first game now it’s just mainly auto dialogue.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 28 août 2012 - 06:11 .

[CherokeeInferno]

My Shepard never compromises, not even in the face of armageddon because there is good and evil and evil must be punished.

[Xarathox]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Because Mac Walters and Casey Hudson like angst.

More like "****ty writers".

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Like I did now with Leviathan. I will read the spoilers then determine whether or not I will buy in the future. After what Walters did and with the last stories (not ME exclusive) I cannot trust BW in the future.

[Blueprotoss]

Kabraxal wrote...

You realise Bioware actually PROMISED a vareiy of endings and that they were going to go all out for end of the trilogy?  Instead we got railroaded so many times throughout the game... rachni decision?  o right, new players and can have content not show up in a playthough so that decision is thrown out the window from ME1... characters being dead from 1 and 2?  doesn't matter, you'll get pretty much a line for line replacement so the missions play the exact same way.  Worked your butt off to unite the galaxy?  Get three endings, two of which aren't that different, a third that offers no closure on Shepard, a new ending that is just a giant tantrum for not seeing the greatness of the other endings, and o... no real closure in any of those endings for the characters you've spent quite a few hours with.

Yet there are a variety of endings for ME3 especially when you look at the different chices throughout the trilogy and the EMS levels in ME3.  It sounds like you wanted more depth not variety while they were already ver 65,000 plotlines in a single trilogy playthrough.  It also sounds like you don't play that many RPGs.

Kabraxal wrote... 

If they didn't promise that our choices had meaning and would greatly vary the experience, the complaining wouldn't be as bad as it is.  Still be there for the horribly cliched and terribly writting 'art"... but at least it wouldn't feel like a complete betrayl.

Nobody was lied to while some people like you would have been disappointed no matter what based on ME3 being the end of Shepard's story arc and having way too high expectations.  
You should also be focusing on how games are designed around millions of people just like with movies, tv shows, comics, novels, and songs.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 28 août 2012 - 07:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Like I did now with Leviathan. I will read the spoilers then determine whether or not I will buy in the future. After what Walters did and with the last stories (not ME exclusive) I cannot trust BW in the future.

Haters gonna hate even when you're creating a straw-mann.  Btw Bioware is allowed to do whatever they want with ME unless if you own the rights to ME or created ME1.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 28 août 2012 - 07:35 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Like I did now with Leviathan. I will read the spoilers then determine whether or not I will buy in the future. After what Walters did and with the last stories (not ME exclusive) I cannot trust BW in the future.

Haters gonna hate even when you're creating a straw-mann.  Btw Bioware is allowed to do whatever they want with ME unless if you own the rights to ME or created ME1.

I want to quote a former Vice President of the United States here.

[Fnork]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Haters gonna hate even when you're creating a straw-mann.  Btw Bioware is allowed to do whatever they want with ME unless if you own the rights to ME or created ME1.

Yeah yeah, I get it. They can do whatever they want and I can choose not to buy the product if I don't like it. That line is overused. If you don't like where they've taken the story and express that you're usually met with that same line. What's the point of these forums if not to discuss views, opinions or provide feedback ? People expressing dislike for the product aren't all haters on a hating parade you know.

If enough people don't buy a game because it doesn't meet their expectations you might get better games in the long run. But it might come at the cost of a few games you may really like right now if the sequel doesn't sell well. I can only speak for myself but I'd think that'd be a shame. I might not like ME3 all that much but I do like ME still. I'm curious about ME4.

Edit; oh and OP, drop me a line if you ever find out. I'd like to know as well.

Modifié par Fnork, 28 août 2012 - 08:07 .

[Blueprotoss]

Fnork wrote...

Yeah yeah, I get it. They can do whatever they want and I can choose not to buy the product if I don't like it. That line is overused. If you don't like where they've taken the story and express that you're usually met with that same line. What's the point of these forums if not to discuss views, opinions or provide feedback ? People expressing dislike for the product aren't all haters on a hating parade you know.

Most of the people that disliked ME3 aren't haters bt there is a difference between general dislike and basic hatred.  If the haters want something to "change" then the best way is to provide contrustive feedback instead of rage and personal threats.

Fnork wrote... 

If enough people don't buy a game because it doesn't meet their expectations you might get better games in the long run. But it might come at the cost of a few games you may really like right now if the sequel doesn't sell well. I can only speak for myself but I'd think that'd be a shame. I might not like ME3 all that much but I do like ME still. I'm curious about ME4.

Sale numbers do matter while the sales have gone up with every Bioware game, which is pretty ironic especially when you look at ME3.  There will be a ME4 while I'm also curious about it.