D24O wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
D24O wrote...
Taboo-XX wrote...
No. Mine lived.
I have no idea what the **** is going on for the rest of you guys.
No, he's pretty dead, you're just indoctrinated.
Dawg the authorial intent is clear.
Ya'll need to learn a little something about....GETTING THE HINT.
Gooby pls that was a joke.
Unless you're joking by pretending not to get the joke....
Or maybe.... I don't know anymore.
Taboo-XX wrote...
I was joking. I'm almost always joking.
I'd have felt cheated if I was forced into the position of having to sacrifice him because, quite honestly, no single person is important enough that life or death of the entire galaxy absolutely hinges around them. It takes space magic for a single person's last action to be that important.Tony77A wrote...
DA:O had the hero dying done the right way.
Sacrifice.
Forced death is.... forced.
It doesn't feel like a sacrifice because it isn't.
I've known for a long time that my Shep would sacrifice herself to save the galaxy, but when I wasn't offered the choise for her to sacrifice herself, I felt cheated.
It felt less heroic and just... forced.
I love red herrings like this based on how you would haven't to crucify ME1 and ME2 along with ME3 because both were part of the ME team since ME1. Haters gonna hate.Tealjaker94 wrote...
Because Mac Walters and Casey Hudson like angst.
This isn't anything new since Baldur's Gate.Doofe2012 wrote...
Because Bioware bought into the "grimdark = art" fad that is currently killing video game, TV, and film stories.
Because the only good Chuck Norri movie is Way of the Dragon.Zing Freelancer wrote...
Why is that Shepard can't become the equivalent of Chuck Norris in Mass Effect universe? Why is that he has to be dead for the universe to continue?
Everything is art and a lot of things are cliche.Terminus Echoes wrote...
It's not art. It's a cliche.
If you didn't see Shepard dieing as a possibilty then you can only blame yourself.Tony77A wrote...
DA:O had the hero dying done the right way.
Sacrifice.
Forced death is.... forced.
It doesn't feel like a sacrifice because it isn't.
I've known for a long time that my Shep would sacrifice herself to save the galaxy, but when I wasn't offered the choise for her to sacrifice herself, I felt cheated.
It felt less heroic and just... forced.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 12:42 .
Cthulhu42 wrote...
Am I the only one in this thread whose Shepard lived?
Zing Freelancer wrote...
I know it have probably been discussed a dozen times before and that in some EC endings Shepard dosen't actually "die". But this question has been on my mind for the past tree weeks: Why did shepard had to die at the end of ME3?
No trolling please
EDIT:
Shepard =/= Chuck Norris?
Modifié par chemiclord, 21 août 2012 - 01:10 .
Darth Death wrote...
Mac Walters: "Your Shepard exist because we allow it, and your Shepard will end because we demand it."
Zing Freelancer wrote...
EDIT:
Shepard =/= Chuck Norris?
Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 21 août 2012 - 02:37 .
inko1nsiderate wrote...
That being said, that doesn't mean there must be an ultimate and final sacrifice on Shepard's part, just that I feel it to be quite a heroic death. I'm glad there is a scene implying Shepard lives as there should be a lot of diversity at the end of a video game trilogy. And even with that scene, there is still great sacrifice and it is done with the full expectation of Shepard not surviving that particular choice making Shepard's intentions pure.
Modifié par CELL55, 21 août 2012 - 03:41 .
Doofe2012 wrote...
Because Bioware bought into the "grimdark = art" fad that is currently killing video game, TV, and film stories.
Terminus Echoes wrote...
It's not art. It's a cliche.
inko1nsiderate wrote...
Frankly, I think it is pretty lame if Shepard can never die in an ending people would want to pick (as in, you have to go out of your way to get Shepard killed).
Shepard asked Salarians (and one human) to give their lives for the greater good on Virmire, Shepard can ask Wrex to give up the cure for his people for the greater good on Virmire essentially sacrificing the Krogan future (or just kill him for the greater good), Shepard later asks 12 people to go on a suicide mission with her, and in ME3 Shepard sacrifices quite a few Asari commandos to get to the temple and can sacrifice many others for the greater good. At the end of the day, if Shepard is not willing to die for the greater good, then Shepard is asking more of those around her than of herself.
And as General Hammond said while awaiting imminent death due to a Goa'uld invasion "I ask no more or less of myself than I ask of you". Despite having the oppurtunity to leave to Alpha site (or Beta site, which universe am I in?) he was asking soldiers to fight and die so he was going to do the same.
If Shepard asks others to continually make the ultimate sacrifice, but is unwilling to do the same, then Shepard's heroism is dulled.
That being said, that doesn't mean there must be an ultimate and final sacrifice on Shepard's part, just that I feel it to be quite a heroic death. I'm glad there is a scene implying Shepard lives as there should be a lot of diversity at the end of a video game trilogy. And even with that scene, there is still great sacrifice and it is done with the full expectation of Shepard not surviving that particular choice making Shepard's intentions pure.
chemiclord wrote...
Oh hey!
It's THIS thread again!
Seriously, I might as well put this in my signature...
It's pretty simple: Shep dies in all endings (but one... unless you want to be miserable and say it's his last breath), because... Bioware wanted him to die. They wanted his story to be over. For good.
If you don't like that... well... too ****ing bad. Deal with it.
Modifié par Grogimus, 21 août 2012 - 03:55 .
WildHog70 wrote...
Doofe2012 wrote...
Because Bioware bought into the "grimdark = art" fad that is currently killing video game, TV, and film stories.
I think the trillion people who love the Dark Knight trilogy would disagree with you. The main themes of ME3 are desperation and sacrifice. Shephard dying syncs up quite well with that. Bioware pretty much screamed at us that Shep was gonna die during the London segment talking to all your squadmates. The desperation and sacrifice after Thessia all the way through to London was a bold choice to give to a community which is used to feeling like the invincible hero all the time.
The Twilight God wrote...
WildHog70 wrote...
Doofe2012 wrote...
Because Bioware bought into the "grimdark = art" fad that is currently killing video game, TV, and film stories.
I think the trillion people who love the Dark Knight trilogy would disagree with you. The main themes of ME3 are desperation and sacrifice. Shephard dying syncs up quite well with that. Bioware pretty much screamed at us that Shep was gonna die during the London segment talking to all your squadmates. The desperation and sacrifice after Thessia all the way through to London was a bold choice to give to a community which is used to feeling like the invincible hero all the time.
Killing EDI and the geth is sacrifice. Any ****** can take his own life. There is no real sacrifice in Synthesis or Control. Just sunshine and butterflies.
It doesn't "kinda hint". It flashes you a giant "HE LIVES" sign complete with old-Hollywood cliche "the hero's lover looks into sky and know deep in his/her heart that the partner actually survived!" scene. And then there's the name of the file "Shepard Lives" lol. Just as the intention is clear that they wanted him to die in every other ending, the intention is also clear that this one was obvious Shep lives ending.iakus wrote...
Not a half dozen endings where Shepard dies and one easter egg that kinda hints that maybe Shep lived.
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