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[Mordak55]

Cos they forgot they were making a computer game, and thought it was "art".

[Dr.Freeman]

The question is in my mind for five months now.
Garrus once said "It'd be an awfully empty galaxy without you" and he was right.
I'll never forgive BW for this. Thanks.

[fchopin]

I think because Bioware wanted Shepard's story to end so they could do something different and the easiest way to do that is to have shepard die.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

xbb1024 wrote...

Because its the trilogy formula.

Because its using pervasive sub-conscious ideas about self sacrifice.

And because it protects the IP from some EA exec making a 'Shepard Returns' game.

Trilogy formula is not about sacrifice. It's about three parts to a story.

It's using perverse sub-conscious ideas about self-sacrifice.

And no it doesn't. They killed him once. They brought him back once. They can bring him back again. And if EA ordered Shepard be brought back, I'd buy just to spite Walters.

HAHAHA QFT!!!

[Doctoglethorpe]

Cause heroic sacrifice = awsam riting

[kookie28]

Shepard lives if you shoot the tube.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

But it's not a heroic sacrifice, it's a suicide! The starbrat say you must die and shepard commit suicide because the starbrat wants that! It's not heroic, it's stupid!

[Doctoglethorpe]

xbb1024 wrote...

And because it protects the IP from some EA exec making a 'Shepard Returns' game.

Uh... first of all Destory already breaks that.  Second, even if Shepard died in every ending he already died once, resurection has already been established as possible in the series so the door is open there too.  And even if that door wasn't open, EA could go ahead and barge on through if they felt like it anyways.  Fiction has this crazy ability to defy logic and the laws of nature at will to serve its purposes. 

[Marauder Shieldz]

Because they're idiots who thought it would be "artistic".

Modifié par Marauder Shieldz, 21 août 2012 - 11:43 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

But it's not a heroic sacrifice, it's a suicide! The starbrat say you must die and shepard commit suicide because the starbrat wants that! It's not heroic, it's stupid!

Suicide... sacrifice... same thing right?

-awsam riting

[aeonlifestream]

They wanted a martyr ending, which was pretty bad.

Destroy is the only viable option for me. I'm not sacrificing myself, sorry.

[Marauder Shieldz]

aeonlifestream wrote...

They wanted a martyr ending, which was pretty bad.

Destroy is the only viable option for me. I'm not sacrificing myself, sorry.

As Shepard says if you reject control, "I didn't come this far just to lose everything and everyone i have." Or something close to that. 

Seriously. If i can't go back to Tali or my friends then it isn't a viable ending for me. After putting hundreds of hours into the trilogy, getting to love the characters and defy the odds again and again, i'm not sacrificing myself because the Starchild asks for it. 

That would be destroying 100s of hours of play in just ten minutes, for no real reason other than "art" and "thats the way it should be".

Modifié par Marauder Shieldz, 21 août 2012 - 11:51 .

[LilLino]

FFS, Shepard lives in the destroy ending, how hard is it to understand. They don't put his nameplate on memorial wall, show him breathing. Cutscene is named Shepard lives and official guide says he's alive.

They didn't show any slides so you can use your imagination about how he gets rescued, how reunion looks like and how he deals with choices he made. They wanted to end his story right there.

It's just people feel too attached and keep wanting more and more after the ending, it won't happen. ME trilogy is over. I don't need an epilogue telling me what the hell my Shep did after the war. Ideas are endless.
Putting only one slide and cannoning what he does would annoy people 'HEY, that's not what my Shepard would do!, Bioware hates its fans! Make 2000 more slides plzzzz'.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

I have not spent more than 1200 h on ME1 and ME2 to imagine my ending! If Bioware wants this, i can do it, but in that case i imagine the entire game! And then no starbrat, no crucible, no RGB choice!

[Pitznik]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

I have not spent more than 1200 h on ME1 and ME2 to imagine my ending! If Bioware wants this, i can do it, but in that case i imagine the entire game! And then no starbrat, no crucible, no RGB choice!

You got the ending. You can imagine what is after. Like in any other game/movie/book.

[wright1978]

Shep didn't have to die. He doesn't have to die. However for some idiotic reason Bioware jsut doesn't want to provide the exposition for the Shep lives ending.

As for the whole concept of Shep dying again. I think it's rather. Trying to kill your protaganist every installment isn't dramatic. Once can be, as happened in ME2. ME3 should ceratinly have had an option for heroic sacrifice but it shouldn't have been such a main aspect of their aim.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Nope, I h'aven't got the ending! I had bull****!

[LilLino]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

I have not spent more than 1200 h on ME1 and ME2 to imagine my ending! If Bioware wants this, i can do it, but in that case i imagine the entire game! And then no starbrat, no crucible, no RGB choice!

You'd really want Bioware to cannonise what Shepard does after the war? Every poster has different ideas. Continuing as a Spectre, retire, become councilor, run away, suicide out of guilt..
I'd want Bioware to send clearer message that Shep is alive, but I'd never want a crappy ass-made epilouge about my Shep's life.
Bioware told a story about what Shepard does to save the galaxy and how his choices affected it and that's when their story ends and your imagination starts. I find it sufficent.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

If mass effect was a stand alone, that will be ok! But it's a trilogy and you expect a proper closure for your character and no space magic, speculations, imagination etc....We deserve better, Shepard deserve better!

Anyway, the all ending is crappy despite the EC and Bioware wants absolutly kill Shepard and wants to force us choosing synthesis!

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 21 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[Pitznik]

LilLino wrote...


You'd really want Bioware to cannonise what Shepard does after the war? Every poster has different ideas. Continuing as a Spectre, retire, become councilor, run away, suicide out of guilt..
I'd want Bioware to send clearer message that Shep is alive, but I'd never want a crappy ass-made epilouge about my Shep's life.
Bioware told a story about what Shepard does to save the galaxy and how his choices affected it and that's when their story ends and your imagination starts. I find it sufficent.

Agreed. Some people aren't happy about Control streamlined Shreaper dialogue, claiming that "their Shepard wouldn't have said that, even as an AI". That would be even more the case with real flesh and blood Shepard, who doesn't really have an excuse of becoming something else than he was.

People get auto-dialogue, they complain. People don't get canonized epilogue, they also complain. It is always not enough, or too much, never just right. Sigh.

[Iakus]

LilLino wrote...

You'd really want Bioware to cannonise what Shepard does after the war? Every poster has different ideas. Continuing as a Spectre, retire, become councilor, run away, suicide out of guilt..
I'd want Bioware to send clearer message that Shep is alive, but I'd never want a crappy ass-made epilouge about my Shep's life.
Bioware told a story about what Shepard does to save the galaxy and how his choices affected it and that's when their story ends and your imagination starts. I find it sufficent.

I want Bioware to canonize that Shepard survives, gets off the CItadel, and meets the Normandy crew/LI again.  Anything else I can leave up to my imagination.

But after everything the game puts Shepard through in this trilogy, leaving Shepard burned, broken, buried in rubble ("but still breathing!") is not a satisfactory way to end the trilogy.  there's not enough foundation to headcanon a good outcome for my Shepard and for many, many others.

Edit:  ME1 ended with SHepard climbing out of the rubble wounded but alive.  Good ending.

ME2 Shepard is pulled aboard the Normandy by squad, with seconds to spare before the Collector Base is destryoyed.  GOod ending

Dragon Age Origins: ends either with the Warden's funeral or with the Warden talking with companions about what they'll do next, and preparing to give a speech to the people of Denerim.  Really good ending

DA2: Varric gives a brief voiceover about what became of Hawke and companions.  Unsatisfactory, but better than what we got about Shepard

That's right, for all it's faults, Dragon Age 2 had a more satisfactory ending for Hawke than Mass Effect 3 had for Shepard.

Modifié par iakus, 21 août 2012 - 01:27 .

[BDelacroix]

Because Hudson and Walters wills it.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Well said iakus!

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 21 août 2012 - 01:33 .

[Richthestampede]

False.