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[loungeshep]

Maybe Shep is really in stasis and being held by the Collectors, and 2 and 3 are just an InStasis dream....

[Reorte]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blueprotoss thinks Shepard is a tragic hero. Shepard is NOT a tragic hero. Shepard may at one time early in ME1 (on Eden Prime) had been a tragic hero, but once past Virmire passed "go" on the way to becoming a larger than life action hero.

To be fair I expect that it's possible to roleplay Shepard as a tragic hero, at least to a certain extent.

[fealhach]

In Synthesis, couldn't the Starkid just take a mouth swab from Shep? What's the human body got that was so important to start that messed up process?

There should be a Disney ending unlocked after completing ME3 on insane.

Also, I'd be willing to buy that Disney ending. Yes, Bioware, you heard right. I'd pull out my wallet cursing and swearing at you, scrunch up a £10 note and throw it at your feet for a Disney ending.

Or pay electronically through PSN, whichever's easier for you.

Modifié par fealhach, 21 août 2012 - 07:03 .

[Reorte]

fealhach wrote...

In Synthesis, couldn't the Starkid just take a mouth swab from Shep? What's the human body got that was so important to start that messed up process?

There should be a Disney ending unlocked after completing ME3 on insane.

Also, I'd be willing to buy that Disney ending. Yes, Bioware, you heard right. I'd pull out my wallet cursing and swearing at you, scrunch up a £10 note and throw it at your feet for a Disney ending.

Or pay electronically through PSN, whichever's easier for you.

Anything other than miserable does not make it Disney.

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

And Shepard isn't a tragic hero unless the player RPs Shepard as a tragic hero.

How isn't Shepard a tragic hero especially when he/she is facing the unstoppable Reaper threat, seen thousands of the dead, and even died at the beginning of ME2.

iakus wrote... 

But still dies a tragic hero's death, regardless of chocie.

This by default wold make Shepard into a trgaic hero by saving billions in the galaxy like previously in ME1 and ME2.

[Blueprotoss]

Reorte wrote...

iakus wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

No matter HOW they ended the trilogy, people would still be up in arms over SOMETHING.

They COULD of had a disney ending, where he lives, reunites with his LI and crew, and has kids and retire and some would complain about that too.

Or they COULD have provided genuinely divergent endings, so people who wanted Shepard to die gloriously and people who wanted Shepard to live and reunite with the crew could each get the ending they set out for.  Everybody wins!

Except the art critics

As long as there's variety and all the variations make sense then a good job has been done, and that can range from being dead to reuniting with the crew and LI who have made the games so appealing although as I said before it's very hard to make dying at the moment of victory on something of this scale not seem incredibly contrived and cliched.

Yet there was a lot of variety but some people will never be pleased no matter what happens.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 07:28 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Reorte wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blueprotoss thinks Shepard is a tragic hero. Shepard is NOT a tragic hero. Shepard may at one time early in ME1 (on Eden Prime) had been a tragic hero, but once past Virmire passed "go" on the way to becoming a larger than life action hero.

To be fair I expect that it's possible to roleplay Shepard as a tragic hero, at least to a certain extent.

How? Someone explain how?

Maybe I'm just not Paragony enough. Maybe the Commander Shepard I play belongs in "Bad Ass Weekly". It's not just the character. It's the setting. Even when I play paragony it comes out more paragade. When I play renegade it comes out renegon. So my paragon will throw a merc out a window, beat Elias Kelham to giving up the goods.

Shepard is taking out the trash.

[Blueprotoss]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blueprotoss thinks Shepard is a tragic hero. Shepard is NOT a tragic hero. Shepard may at one time early in ME1 (on Eden Prime) had been a tragic hero, but once past Virmire passed "go" on the way to becoming a larger than life action hero.

So, I looked at where ME went wrong, and I fixed it. I rewrote the story! Now you'll be laughing in the end! No more tears!

http://social.biowar...1802/2#13760622  and http://social.biowar...1802/2#13760811

Yes it's over the top. Yes it's shallow, but it would be fun.

Sounds like you should should replay the ME series and Bioware has always do the tragic hero in their games.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

How? Someone explain how? 

Maybe I'm just not Paragony enough. Maybe the Commander Shepard I play belongs in "Bad Ass Weekly". It's not just the character. It's the setting. Even when I play paragony it comes out more paragade. When I play renegade it comes out renegon. So my paragon will throw a merc out a window, beat Elias Kelham to giving up the goods.

Shepard is taking out the trash. 

So Shepard doesn't save billions at the end of every ME game, which this must be something new. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 07:32 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

[Reorte]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Reorte wrote...

To be fair I expect that it's possible to roleplay Shepard as a tragic hero, at least to a certain extent.

How? Someone explain how?

Maybe I'm just not Paragony enough. Maybe the Commander Shepard I play belongs in "Bad Ass Weekly". It's not just the character. It's the setting. Even when I play paragony it comes out more paragade. When I play renegade it comes out renegon. So my paragon will throw a merc out a window, beat Elias Kelham to giving up the goods.

Shepard is taking out the trash.

I'm not really sure to be honest because I've never tried but I suppose it's possible to engineer it by choosing a suitable past and having enough personal ****ups and tragedy in his / her life. It still probably needs a bit of imagination though to pull off.

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

Yet we could label most of the ME cast as tragic heros.  Btw Saren is only a tragic hero when he comitts suicide.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Dear lord!

OP please change had to have in your title, its driving me crazy.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

forced Sacrifice isn't RPG

Are you a RPG fan because there is a lot forced sacrifices done in RPGs?

your obviously not a RPG fan since you don't force sacrifice the main character in every ending

[Reorte]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Sounds like you should should replay the ME series and Bioware has always do the tragic hero in their games.

Whilst as I said it might be possible to roleplay Shepard to have some degree of tragic hero about him the standard portrayal, whether paragon or renegade or most things in between is nowhere near that. That's so blindingly obvious I'm amazed that it needs explaining to you. There's very little tragic about Shepard at all in ME1, apart from possibly his background (just because he loses someone on Virmire doesn't change that). The same is true of 2 unless you really screw it up badly at the end. And most of 3.

What BioWare may or may not have done in other games is entirely irrelevent.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

Yet we could label most of the ME cast as tragic heros.  Btw Saren is only a tragic hero when he comitts suicide.

Not necessarily. He genuinely believed that what he was doing was for the good of the galaxy, and his actions were understandable. He was never fully indoctrinated.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Reorte wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Sounds like you should should replay the ME series and Bioware has always do the tragic hero in their games.

Whilst as I said it might be possible to roleplay Shepard to have some degree of tragic hero about him the standard portrayal, whether paragon or renegade or most things in between is nowhere near that. That's so blindingly obvious I'm amazed that it needs explaining to you. There's very little tragic about Shepard at all in ME1, apart from possibly his background (just because he loses someone on Virmire doesn't change that). The same is true of 2 unless you really screw it up badly at the end. And most of 3.

What BioWare may or may not have done in other games is entirely irrelevent.

Shepard's backround isn't very relevant to the plot, though.

[KENNY4753]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

Yet we could label most of the ME cast as tragic heros.  Btw Saren is only a tragic hero when he comitts suicide.

Not necessarily. He genuinely believed that what he was doing was for the good of the galaxy, and his actions were understandable. He was never fully indoctrinated.

I agree. Saren was one of my favorite characters throughout the trilogy. Even though he was a bit of a d*** he truely did what he thought was right. When he realized he was wrong he thanks shepard for stopping him and killed himself. 

[AresKeith]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

Yet we could label most of the ME cast as tragic heros.  Btw Saren is only a tragic hero when he comitts suicide.

Not necessarily. He genuinely believed that what he was doing was for the good of the galaxy, and his actions were understandable. He was never fully indoctrinated.

I agree. Saren was one of my favorite characters throughout the trilogy. Even though he was a bit of a d*** he truely did what he thought was right. When he realized he was wrong he thanks shepard for stopping him and killed himself. 

you could say he died a hero instead of living long enough to see himself become the villain lol

[KENNY4753]

Personally I would have been fine if shepard died alongside anderson and the crucible blew the reapers to hell. As long as that crap with the catalyst never happened I would have been ok with the ending.

[Conniving_Eagle]

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Saren is a tragic hero, not Shepard.

Yet we could label most of the ME cast as tragic heros.  Btw Saren is only a tragic hero when he comitts suicide.

Not necessarily. He genuinely believed that what he was doing was for the good of the galaxy, and his actions were understandable. He was never fully indoctrinated.

I agree. Saren was one of my favorite characters throughout the trilogy. Even though he was a bit of a d*** he truely did what he thought was right. When he realized he was wrong he thanks shepard for stopping him and killed himself. 

you could say he died a hero instead of living long enough to see himself become the villain lol

http://pichars.org/s...riginal_voH5a..

Lol yeah, exactly! High Five on that one. Now if you killed Shepard and Sovereign let the Reapers in, then he would be seen as a villain.

[wright1978]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Personally I would have been fine if shepard died alongside anderson and the crucible blew the reapers to hell. As long as that crap with the catalyst never happened I would have been ok with the ending.

I sure wouldn't be fine with railroaded tripe like that.

[Conniving_Eagle]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Personally I would have been fine if shepard died alongside anderson and the crucible blew the reapers to hell. As long as that crap with the catalyst never happened I would have been ok with the ending.

Making a good ending to ME3 would have been so easy. Even with the current plot. But no, Bioware needed art.

[KENNY4753]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Personally I would have been fine if shepard died alongside anderson and the crucible blew the reapers to hell. As long as that crap with the catalyst never happened I would have been ok with the ending.

Making a good ending to ME3 would have been so easy. Even with the current plot. But no, Bioware needed art.

That reminds me next time I get pulled over and the cop asks me why I was speeding I'll say artistic integridy.
Artistic Integridy is the answer for all the worlds questions

Modifié par KENNY4753, 21 août 2012 - 07:54 .

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

forced Sacrifice isn't RPG

Are you a RPG fan because there is a lot forced sacrifices done in RPGs?

your obviously not a RPG fan since you don't force sacrifice the main character in every ending

How is that when a lot of RPGs have tragic heroes whether they die on screen or off screen.

KENNY4753 wrote...

That reminds me next time I get pulled over and the cop asks me why I was speeding I'll say artistic integridy.
Artistic Integridy is the answer for all the worlds questions

Enjoy that heavy fine and possible arrest if you chos to do that. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 08:02 .