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[JPN17]

corkey sweet wrote...

not at this point. the folks who hate it, are always going to hate it

Nope. Not even close. For example, I thought the plot of ME2 was awful. It focused on recruitment and loyalty missions while putting the reapers completely off to the side. However I loved the game in spite of that. While it didn't really move anything forward, it didn't ruin the franchise. ME3 was a decent game with a horrible ending that does ruin the entire franchise. Fix that and I'd would be ok with it.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Nope my personal opinion is that this story is lost from the very beginning where the reapers attack Earth.

[Kileyan]

I don't know the reason, but everyone seems to assert that the canon ending is synthesis. If that is the case, I can't see the series as being salvageable. What exactly would be the premise of the game, when we are all a bunch of glowy green cyborgs.

Are we going to play a cyborg far in the future who get reports from a scout probe that pure organics have been spotted out past the rim of settled space. What do we do, destroy them all or force them all to become fellow cyborgs?

Perhaps we will get to play the organics who have to fight for their right to live as organics.

Modifié par Kileyan, 21 août 2012 - 01:25 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

I was willing to except every fault in the game till Glowboy showed up. Give me a new ending where I can kill him and the reapers without killing my allies and I'll be appeased, don't and I won't be, simple.

[The Spamming Troll]

i see nothing that tells me bioware knows what its doing with shepards "journey."

so no. the game was doomed as soon as they started making ME2.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 21 août 2012 - 01:27 .

[jules_vern18]

All it needs is (1) a compelling reason why Shepard would realistically trust the catalyst enough to accept its choices or (2) more variety for refusal.  Both would be nice.

[Grogimus]

Quintega wrote...
Get off of yours its not entitlement when a fan base is betrayed for money, It wasn't okay with Ultima 9, it wasn't okay with anytime it happens. Also all of the forums I spoke about where constructive critisism. The issue is like myself a lot of the members of this forum are writers and when you pull a finally to a story like you did with this, its unaccepable. Also Even my own stories I'll admit aren't art. There is no such thing as art in gaming. 

I'm going to assume that English isn't your first language. 

Perhaps the fanbase was betrayed for money.  This isn't anything new in American society.   It happens frequently with many different products, games being among them. 

These forums definately had some constructive criticism.  And a whole lot of vitriole, nonsense, and self entitlement. 

You say you're a writer(again, guessing non-English).  Stories are art.  The best stories have different interpretations according to the individual reader.  This game is no different.  It is art.  

 

[Ariella]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

Why salvage... the game is fine, especially with the extended cut ending.

That you? Jessica Merizan?

I don't know who you're talking about so take that as a no. The game is fine in my opinion, you dislike my opinion, that's fine too, but try and respond constructively rather than with some kind of call out.

[sagevallant]

Mostly the ending. Mostly. And a lot of teammate dialogues that don't require a trip to the Citadel.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ariella wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

Why salvage... the game is fine, especially with the extended cut ending.

That you? Jessica Merizan?

I don't know who you're talking about so take that as a no. The game is fine in my opinion, you dislike my opinion, that's fine too, but try and respond constructively rather than with some kind of call out.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. You're attitude is painfully similar to someone else I know.

[Ariella]

Headcount wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Successful game is successful, there is nothing to salvage.

Before or after the EC? 

I'm not headcount, but even the vanilla game was fine until the very end, which did need the EC, but considering that we got the EC for free I don't see why anyone would complain about it except for the fact it makes clear that IT doesn't exist. I liked new additions to the ending, and since ME 3 sold well, I'd call it a sucess.

[Dragoonlordz]

Bioware should stick to producing SP content and MP content for those who like the game at this stage. Lucky for me they agree. No more ending DLC. EC was good enough for vast amounts of the fanbase and the ones still unhappy will remain so unless they learn to deal with it. Can't please everyone and to quote Bioware's stance on this issue.

There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the fun and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.

[Anacronian Stryx]

jules_vern18 wrote...

All it needs is (1) a compelling reason why Shepard would realistically trust the catalyst enough to accept its choices or (2) more variety for refusal.  Both would be nice.

I could imagine refusal with Leviathan on your side and sky high EMS could lead to a military victory.. but naah I'm dreaming.

[Dragoonlordz]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

Why salvage... the game is fine, especially with the extended cut ending.

That you? Jessica Merizan?

I don't know who you're talking about so take that as a no. The game is fine in my opinion, you dislike my opinion, that's fine too, but try and respond constructively rather than with some kind of call out.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. You're attitude is painfully similar to someone else I know.

Really? Because your attitude is very similar to someone else too...

I will also point out you do not know Jessica and trying to discredit or belittle Ariella by using the name of a Bioware member of staff who has had a tweet taken out of context by some people does not do your excuses any good.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 août 2012 - 01:49 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bioware should stick to producing SP content and MP content for those who like the game at this stage. Lucky for me they agree. No more ending DLC. EC was good enough for vast amounts of the fanbase and the ones still unhappy will remain so unless they learn to deal with it. Can't please everyone and to quote Bioware's stance on this issue.

There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the fun and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.

Well I won't leave, I'll stay here and complain for as long as it suits me, deal with it.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 21 août 2012 - 01:45 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bioware should stick to producing SP content and MP content for those who like the game at this stage. Lucky for me they agree. No more ending DLC. EC was good enough for vast amounts of the fanbase and the ones still unhappy will remain so unless they learn to deal with it. Can't please everyone and to quote Bioware's stance on this issue.

so just because some of us are willing to tell Bioware we didn't like they handled the game and want to do better they should just ignore us

and while having a MP was a good, it was wasted potential

so no we won't leave because we still like Mass Effect but are disappointed in Bioware

Modifié par AresKeith, 21 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bioware should stick to producing SP content and MP content for those who like the game at this stage. Lucky for me they agree. No more ending DLC. EC was good enough for vast amounts of the fanbase and the ones still unhappy will remain so unless they learn to deal with it. Can't please everyone and to quote Bioware's stance on this issue.

There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the fun and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.

Well I won't leave so, I'll stay here and complain for as long as it suits me, deal with it.

Stay if wish, moan, yell or howl at the moon for as long as desire. But their stance has been made clear as can be.

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bioware should stick to producing SP content and MP content for those who like the game at this stage. Lucky for me they agree. No more ending DLC. EC was good enough for vast amounts of the fanbase and the ones still unhappy will remain so unless they learn to deal with it. Can't please everyone and to quote Bioware's stance on this issue.

so just because some of us are willing to tell Bioware we didn't like they handled the game and want to do better they should just ignore us

and while having a MP was a good, it was wasted potential

so no we won't leave because we still like Mass Effect but are disappointed in Bioware

AresKeith I second that statement

Modifié par KENNY4753, 21 août 2012 - 01:46 .

[Ariella]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

Why salvage... the game is fine, especially with the extended cut ending.

That you? Jessica Merizan?

I don't know who you're talking about so take that as a no. The game is fine in my opinion, you dislike my opinion, that's fine too, but try and respond constructively rather than with some kind of call out.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. You're attitude is painfully similar to someone else I know.

You were able to divine my attitude by one line comment?

I've been a fan of Bioware since BG and I happily give them leyway. Then again, I'm used to dealing with arc stories in most of the media I enjoy, and I know how things can change due to all sorts of constrants. I'll point to Babylon 5 as a perfect example of the concept. A lot of things were contracted or deleted due to a varity of reasons including actors leaving the show, actors injuring themselves during shooting, etc. Same things here, people joined, people left, time constraints etc. Were there things I wish they'd focused more on like the Rachni, sure, but at the same time, I enjoyed what was presented to me, and that enjoyment doubled with the extended cut as the fleshing out of the ending did answer a lot of questions.

Some people didn't like those answers, their perogative and opinion, but it doesn't make the opinion of those who DID like the game any less valid either

[AngryFrozenWater]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Stay if wish, moan, yell or howl at the moon for as long as desire. But their stance has been made clear as can be.

Your stance is clear too. You love to belittle people. So do not be surprised that people do not like your attitude.

[Ariella]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

Why salvage... the game is fine, especially with the extended cut ending.

That you? Jessica Merizan?

I don't know who you're talking about so take that as a no. The game is fine in my opinion, you dislike my opinion, that's fine too, but try and respond constructively rather than with some kind of call out.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. You're attitude is painfully similar to someone else I know.

Really? Because your attitude is very similar to someone else too...

I will also point out you do not know Jessica and trying to discredit or belittle Ariella by using the name of a Bioware member of staff who has had a tweet taken out of context by haters does not do your excuses any good.

DL, someone thought I was Bioware staff??? I missed this new wrinkle, as I don't know who Jessica is. She's not one of the Bioware staff I've had contact with.

Anyway, this isn't the first time I've been accused of being in the pay of Bioware just because I state my opinion that I enjoyed a game of theirs, probably won't be the last either. And Eagle, for future reference it's Penny not Jessica and I live in the Northern Midwest US not in Canada or Texas or Ireland or anywhere else Bioware has a studio

[Stella-Arc]

Maybe, maybe not OP.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Stay if wish, moan, yell or howl at the moon for as long as desire. But their stance has been made clear as can be.

I can find solace in being a thorn in someone's side if need be.

[Ariella]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Stay if wish, moan, yell or howl at the moon for as long as desire. But their stance has been made clear as can be.

I can find solace in being a thorn in someone's side if need be.

Why waste your time and energy when it can go to something more productive than being a thorn?

You says you didn't like the ending. Okay, fair enough, but why. I've seen two types of people one that front. Those who have legitimate reasons for disliking the ending, and those who to paraphrase David Gaider "came up with their own game" and then expected ME 3 to conform to that construct rather than what was actually there. It's a fine line, I'll grant, but there is a line.

So my first question is: was it just the ending(s) that bothered you or was it the entire story? I ask because it gives a basis to start the conversation.

[Quintega]

Grogimus wrote...

Quintega wrote...
Get off of yours its not entitlement when a fan base is betrayed for money, It wasn't okay with Ultima 9, it wasn't okay with anytime it happens. Also all of the forums I spoke about where constructive critisism. The issue is like myself a lot of the members of this forum are writers and when you pull a finally to a story like you did with this, its unaccepable. Also Even my own stories I'll admit aren't art. There is no such thing as art in gaming. 

I'm going to assume that English isn't your first language. 

Perhaps the fanbase was betrayed for money.  This isn't anything new in American society.   It happens frequently with many different products, games being among them. 

These forums definately had some constructive criticism.  And a whole lot of vitriole, nonsense, and self entitlement. 

You say you're a writer(again, guessing non-English).  Stories are art.  The best stories have different interpretations according to the individual reader.  This game is no different.  It is art.  

 

I love it when people go Grammer guru when they have an old guy as their avatar. It adds so much to the person's argument. Forgive my sarcasm, However judging that a persons english skills based on a quick reply, as a justifiable means to suggest that they aren't native english speakers is actually kinda condicending. English is my native, I however willingly admit I have difficulty remembering a lot of the rules regarding mechanics. So unless I spend hours going over everything I write it isn't going to be perfect. Also having issues with mechanics or spelling doesn't make you anyless skilled as a writer, It just means you have a very good editor.

However No stories are not art. The Story itself maybe called art, but the writer is not an artist. Also Artistic integrety is a term that can only be used for independant artists who either work for free or sell it themselves. Once a middle man A.K.A. EA gets involved Artistic integrety is tossed aside. 

Now ART my favorite word on these forums, what one considers art will vary from person to person. However artisic intergrety involves art based on the dictionary term. "arcaic present of 2d singular BE" This is the webster definition. 

However there is a reason I said ME doesn't fall under art, due to the player having so much control over the story it loses connection with its author. The player then makes the story their own. This makes Me no more safe under Artistic integrety then Fan fiction.

The other issue I was addressing was this calling all the fans entitled. The only thing we are entitled to is a honest apology from Bioware admiting they screwed up. Thats all we are entitled to had they just admited their story was broken and full of plot holes and dues ex machina's they the outrage wouldn't have been so bad.

Your final point about it being common in America, I'm one of those people who say, if that is what you believe join the line on the roof. Everyone is jumping so join them. Excusing bad behaviour because everyone else is doing is no different then jumping off the roof with everyone else. Hashing out fan base betrayl is not exceptable no matter how many people do it. But when in gaming it is constanly done by the same 3 companies it makes it that maybe they should learn their lesson. EA and Capcom are notorious for this to the point Capcom of Japan said that the american branch was shameful to them and the company.

Modifié par Quintega, 21 août 2012 - 02:03 .