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[I am Sovereign]

saracen16 wrote...

Headcount wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

"Salvageable" assumes that there is something to salvage.

I don't think so. ME3 was amazing, start to finish.

Before or after the EC?

Both.

[CronoDragoon]

Stornskar wrote...


If BW did something along the lines of Broken Steel, then I might think about getting DLC ... but for now I'll just watch via Youtube.

A Broken Steel like expansion or DLC would require a lot more work than Fallout 3 took in terms of changing the ending; also how would you keep Shepard alive in an ending like Control? Or are you suggesting they make a DLC just for Destroy people - something that would alienate Control and Synthesis people and thus is something they would never do?

[Conniving_Eagle]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

For ****'s Sake, Bioware are a company, a busniess! Not artists!

An artist is someone who makes art, so this implies you don't believe Mass Effect 3 qualifies. Then how do you define art such that it excludes ME3, or possibly video games?

No, ME3 does not qualify as art. If you're going to stick with that bull**** argument, Bioware are a company before they are "artists," even though I doubt any of them went to art school. I didn't pay $70 for a piece of art, I paid $70 for a video game, damnit. If ME3 is "art" then they should start advertising it as such so people won't fall for their ploy anymore.

[Blueprotoss]

Craven1138 wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 Could they

No. They had their shot and they blew it. After ending DLC they gave us finger ("reject ending") and said again that their endings are super-cool (by making them even more similar and packing each one with candies and rainbows). Ending renders game and any added content unacceptable.

Yet the middle finger came from the small uproar of "fans".  Its ironic that you're are the one refusing here since Bioware owns and created ME.

[Memnon]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Stornskar wrote...


If BW did something along the lines of Broken Steel, then I might think about getting DLC ... but for now I'll just watch via Youtube.

A Broken Steel like expansion or DLC would require a lot more work than Fallout 3 took in terms of changing the ending; also how would you keep Shepard alive in an ending like Control? Or are you suggesting they make a DLC just for Destroy people - something that would alienate Control and Synthesis people and thus is something they would never do?

I honestly don't have an answer to that - perhaps an ending in which I could just tell the Catalyst to go to hell and not doom the entire galaxy to extinction. One that shows war assets actually doing what war assets do, maybe. The RGB endings and the Catalyst are integral to ME3, and with those in play I just can't bring myself to do anything in the game world anymore. Just my opinion, and I don't see it changing ...

[Cainne Chapel]

actually eagle ANYTHING can qualify as art...technically.

If other forms of entertainment can be considered art (Like movies for instance) why cant games? They take just as much craftsmanship if not more. Just because you buy it and can play it doesnt make it any less a work of art.

Or are paintings not considered art anymore because you can buy prints of em?

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

For ****'s Sake, Bioware are a company, a busniess! Not artists!

An artist is someone who makes art, so this implies you don't believe Mass Effect 3 qualifies. Then how do you define art such that it excludes ME3, or possibly video games?

No, ME3 does not qualify as art. If you're going to stick with that bull**** argument, Bioware are a company before they are "artists," even though I doubt any of them went to art school. I didn't pay $70 for a piece of art, I paid $70 for a video game, damnit. If ME3 is "art" then they should start advertising it as such so people won't fall for their ploy anymore.

Hopefully this is a joke based on how everything is art whether you love it or hate it.  I'm sure you probably don't buy that many DVDs, CDs, books, or video games based on your views.

[Hannah Montana]

Bioware are the worse artists ever, they don't even finish their works.
And then they have to correct their mistakes later.

[Cainne Chapel]

As for salvageable, For me at least, there is nothing that needs to be salvaged. I enjoyed the game and the series thouroughly and look forward to more.

[CronoDragoon]

Stornskar wrote...

I honestly don't have an answer to that - perhaps an ending in which I could just tell the Catalyst to go to hell and not doom the entire galaxy to extinction. One that shows war assets actually doing what war assets do, maybe. The RGB endings and the Catalyst are integral to ME3, and with those in play I just can't bring myself to do anything in the game world anymore. Just my opinion, and I don't see it changing ...

Oh, so like an alternate ending DLC? Man, I've been wanting that since I beat the game and came on these forums, but after they worked for a few months on the EC it seems highly unlikely they will allow us to bypass the Crucible/Catalyst/etc.

[Tazzmission]

i enjoyed the game and its story

i always welcome new dlc for the sp to add to it

[Cainne Chapel]

I know right Montana! Just like all those directors cuts and rereleases of that acceptable artform known as "Movies"

All that going back and changing and adding things....some even up to 20-30 years later!

[Conniving_Eagle]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

actually eagle ANYTHING can qualify as art...technically.

If other forms of entertainment can be considered art (Like movies for instance) why cant games? They take just as much craftsmanship if not more. Just because you buy it and can play it doesnt make it any less a work of art.

Or are paintings not considered art anymore because you can buy prints of em?

If I want to look at art, I will go to one of the many local galleries around here. I don't go to the movies or buy a video-game for that.

Some actual artists like painters and sculpters have changed their work because the consumer was unhappy with it. Even writers have. Bioware are no true scotsmen.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 21 août 2012 - 07:16 .

[Blueprotoss]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Bioware are the worse artists ever, they don't even finish their works.
And then they have to correct their mistakes later.

So they're the worse when they didn't do what you personally wanted.  This happens to be a great example of a straw-mann.  I hate Justin Beiber and the author that created Twilight while I won't say they're the worse based on my personal dislike of them.

[ATiBotka]

i enjoyed the game and its story

i always welcome new dlc for the sp to add to it

[CronoDragoon]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

No, ME3 does not qualify as art. If you're going to stick with that bull**** argument, Bioware are a company before they are "artists," even though I doubt any of them went to art school. I didn't pay $70 for a piece of art, I paid $70 for a video game, damnit. If ME3 is "art" then they should start advertising it as such so people won't fall for their ploy anymore.

It would seem based on your response that although you don't have a definition for art, you believe that anything sold for money/profit does not qualify. In which case, by your definition, there has rarely been art produced in the history of the world.

[Cainne Chapel]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

actually eagle ANYTHING can qualify as art...technically.

If other forms of entertainment can be considered art (Like movies for instance) why cant games? They take just as much craftsmanship if not more. Just because you buy it and can play it doesnt make it any less a work of art.

Or are paintings not considered art anymore because you can buy prints of em?

If I want to look at art, I will go to one of the many local galleries around here. I don't go to the movies or buy a video-game for that.

Some actual artists like painters and sculpters have changed their work because the consumer was unhappy with it. Even writers have. Bioware are no true scotsman.

Getting off on a tangent here, but...

just because YOU dont view something as Art, doesn't mean it is not an artform.  Any work that requires us to make/build etc can be considered art.  From Architecture to a childs drawing.

I consider movies art, as they take dedication and craft to make, you cant just throw a movie together.  Same with games.  Same with plays, same with writing, etc.

Art is MORE than just paintings and pictures at a gallery.

[Hannah Montana]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I know right Montana! Just like all those directors cuts and rereleases of that acceptable artform known as "Movies"

All that going back and changing and adding things....some even up to 20-30 years later!

No not really.
A remake is perfectly fine, just don't damage the original one.

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

actually eagle ANYTHING can qualify as art...technically.

If other forms of entertainment can be considered art (Like movies for instance) why cant games? They take just as much craftsmanship if not more. Just because you buy it and can play it doesnt make it any less a work of art.

Or are paintings not considered art anymore because you can buy prints of em?

If I want to look at art, I will go to one of the many local galleries around here. I don't go to the movies or buy a video-game for that.

Some actual artists like painters and sculpters have changed their work because the consumer was unhappy with it. Even writers have. Bioware are no true scotsmen.

You don't have to go to an art gallery, art show, or art museum to see art because art is everywhere.  Plus there's no need too create a straw-mann.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 07:19 .

[CronoDragoon]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

If I want to look at art, I will go to one of the many local galleries around here. I don't go to the movies or buy a video-game for that.

Some actual artists like painters and sculpters have changed their work because the consumer was unhappy with it. Even writers have. Bioware are no true scotsmen.

Local galleries that have those paintings because they were sold for money. I think you are confusing art with "artsy".

And BioWare did change their work based on unhappy customers, so your last point is moot.

[Memnon]

Speaking of art, did anyone catch Cronenberg's criticism of the Dark Knight Rises? He says "I don't think they are making them an elevated art form. I think it's still Batman running around in a stupid cape." This is coming from the director of Cosmopolis, which is absolute dreck.

www.rte.ie/ten/2012/0816/cronenbergd.html

Still, the comparision is interesting - the Dark Knighs Rises isn't art because:

A superhero movie, by definition, you know, it's comic book. It's for kids. It's adolescent in its core. That has always been its appeal, and I think people who are saying, you know, Dark Knight Rises is, you know, supreme cinema art, I don't think they know what the **** they're talking about.

I guess you could say the same for video games? Art or not, I'll take ME1, ME2, and the Dark Knight trilogy any day over ME3 endings and Cosmopolis ...

Modifié par Stornskar, 21 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[Hannah Montana]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

If I want to look at art, I will go to one of the many local galleries around here. I don't go to the movies or buy a video-game for that.

Some actual artists like painters and sculpters have changed their work because the consumer was unhappy with it. Even writers have. Bioware are no true scotsmen.

Local galleries that have those paintings because they were sold for money. I think you are confusing art with "artsy".

And BioWare did change their work based on unhappy customers, so your last point is moot.

So they say.
I have yet to find any proof of that.

[Ninja Stan]

Sorry, the "are videogames art?" discussion is off-topic for the ME3 story and campaign forum. Try our Off-Topic forum. THank you.

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