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[Fixers0]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

But they're not humans/Alliance, the Krogan can keep their genophage and stay holled up in that radioactive was they call tuchanka,

I think synthesis affects everyone in the same way. If the krogan don't lose their feelings, their free will, then no one.

Visuals contradict your statement.

[Saul Iscariot]

I don't like EDI, what have I not got that some loser werewolf that lost his girl to a witch after he took off without any explanation and looks like Chris from Family Guy. I need a sex bot, I'm fed up with these import brides, the tentacles get every where and I'm sure they've raped me and released it as hentai to protect the innocent.

[Lyssar]

I say no to synthesis. Reasons:
1) I believe it's a ruse of the starchild and an indoctrination attempt.
2) I find it very hard to believe. It isn't much explained and a bit too space magical for me.
3) I think it is a dead end for the galaxy. It's not part of Leto's golden path (Ok, wrong universe, but I still don't see it working out in the long run).
4) I really don't want to be friend with a green-eyed husk. Sorry, that's too much to ask. And that picture is just scary.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

I called someone who directly insulted my ability to raise children a troll. Oh no.

That was only your own insult used against you. You thought nothing of yourself telling someone else they shouldn't have power over anyone either.

It just goes to show your double-standards and hypocrisy. "I can insult synthesis and its supporters because it's okay when it's me, I'm right!" and "It's only headcanon if it's them. Not me, because I have my own special lojik behind it!"

Too bad for you, I tend to kick back against oppressors. I'm the hero that synthites need!

[RiouHotaru]

AresKeith wrote...
which isn't possible in Sci-fi

Not that we know of.  We're never given any idea that genetic modification (that almost ALL soldiers go through) is some kind of excrutiatingly painful process.  The fact that Synthesis is the result of a process enacted by a ridiculously advanced AI created by a ridiculously advanced culture that also created the ridiculously advanced kill-bots (who according to the codex ignore the laws of science and physics anyway), and doesn't hurt people in the process isn't far-fetched.

[ATiBotka]

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

But they're not humans/Alliance, the Krogan can keep their genophage and stay holled up in that radioactive was they call tuchanka,

I think synthesis affects everyone in the same way. If the krogan don't lose their feelings, their free will, then no one.

Visuals contradict your statement.

What visuals?

[AngryFrozenWater]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

I thought that they were wearing helmets and airtight bodysuits?

But the green beam changes their DNA, they must have felt something, no?

Supposition, in all other scenarios their happy the reapers are gone, but in case of synthesis, they just stand there.

The Krogan are happy.

And that's odd. Because the krogan were infected by the genophage earlier. Now they have been infected with another racial mutilation. This time it is synthesis against their will. The krogan are never left alone.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 août 2012 - 08:58 .

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I don't know, I'm guestimating.  If someone remembers the discussion at that last con was a few months ago where they answered the question, that would help.  For all I know it's 50 years later.  I don't have exact information, and therefore won't pin myself down to a specific answer.

I just know it takes place a fairly significant time later.

Some of the scenes take place in the future. Like for example the rebuilt Citadel in destroy.
It's wrong to assume they ALL take place in the future when some clearly don't (such as Wrex arriving on Tuchanka)

For the same reason Destroy glosses over the fact people are stuck with conventional FTL for a while, or that Control glosses over the issue of the fact the Reapers are still around?  Synthesis glosses over it's own negative qualities because they're going for a more hopeful ending.  Also, it's EDI narrating it.  I'm sure if Coates were narrating it, he MIGHT have mentioned that.  But they chose EDI to be the spokesperson.

"The relays are severely damaged". It doesn't gloss over this. The result from that is obvious, they don't need to point it out.
How does control gloss over the Reapers? In fact it sounds positively sinister. Whether for better or worse the Reapers are not a unilateral peacekeeping force.
Synthesis glosses over everything, it doesn't even give momentary acknoledgement to the problems like destroy does.

[Fixers0]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

But they're not humans/Alliance, the Krogan can keep their genophage and stay holled up in that radioactive was they call tuchanka,

I think synthesis affects everyone in the same way. If the krogan don't lose their feelings, their free will, then no one.

Visuals contradict your statement.

What visuals?

The Ending sequence.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I called someone who directly insulted my ability to raise children a troll. Oh no.

That was only your own insult used against you. You thought nothing of yourself telling someone else they shouldn't have power over anyone either.

It just goes to show your double-standards and hypocrisy. "I can insult synthesis and its supporters because it's okay when it's me, I'm right!" and "It's only headcanon if it's them. Not me, because I have my own special lojik behind it!"

Too bad for you, I tend to kick back against oppressors. I'm the hero that synthites need!

I NEVER said ANYTHING about someone else's ability to raise children.
Stop lying about what I've done, HYR. You've already earned a block, if you continue I'll report you for harassment.

[ATiBotka]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

And that's odd. Because the krogan were infected by the genophage earlier. Now they have been infected with another racial mutilation. This time it is synthesis against their will. The krogan are never left alone.

They're happy because the Reapers flew away.

[OGWS]

Wow, you guys must have some seriously high EMS. Some of you got way more information out of your slideshows than I did from mine

[ATiBotka]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Ending sequence.

So, what do you say? Synthesis is brainwash?

[AresKeith]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
which isn't possible in Sci-fi

Not that we know of.  We're never given any idea that genetic modification (that almost ALL soldiers go through) is some kind of excrutiatingly painful process.  The fact that Synthesis is the result of a process enacted by a ridiculously advanced AI created by a ridiculously advanced culture that also created the ridiculously advanced kill-bots (who according to the codex ignore the laws of science and physics anyway), and doesn't hurt people in the process isn't far-fetched.

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

[Fixers0]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Ending sequence.

So, what do you say? Synthesis is brainwash?

No i disprove your assertion that Synthesis affects everybody in the same way.

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

Some of the scenes take place in the future. Like for example the rebuilt Citadel in destroy.
It's wrong to assume they ALL take place in the future when some clearly don't (such as Wrex arriving on Tuchanka)

I'll grant you that, but the scenes in particular that trouble you (London being rebuilt, and Coates) could take place further in the future.  We're not given a clear idea.

"The relays are severely damaged". It doesn't gloss over this. The result from that is obvious, they don't need to point it out.
How does control gloss over the Reapers? In fact it sounds positively sinister. Whether for better or worse the Reapers are not a unilateral peacekeeping force.
Synthesis glosses over everything, it doesn't even give momentary acknoledgement to the problems like destroy does.

Well, again, look who they picked as the Narrator.  EDI.  Makes sense for her to gloss over it considering she's now reveling in this new form of existence that was originally something she might never get to experience.  If Hackett was still the narrator I'm sure he would've mentioned it.

Actually, Control DOES portray the Reapers a peacekeeping force.  How intrusive a force seems to depend on whether you're Paragon or Renegade when that choice is made.  (Renegade Control is downright freaky, you'll get no argument from me there)

Sure, Synthesis handwaves the issues of understanding, but we both agree that there is likely a period of some time where things are still incredibly tense.  I don't feel I needed the game to TELL me it was tense when it was fairly obvious.  But I suppose that's where we differ.

[ATiBotka]

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Ending sequence.

So, what do you say? Synthesis is brainwash?

No i disprove your assertion that Synthesis affects everybody in the same way.

Then how does synthesis affect krogans? How does it affect humans, turians?

Modifié par ATiBotka, 21 août 2012 - 09:04 .

[Saul Iscariot]

Without knowing what has gone after a 'heated' debate I called TAO a ****. After I'd sobered up I sent an apology. It was duely accepted and even though TAO was very deprecating he said nothing wrong. You should cool your heels H, it isn't a win or lose situation.

[RiouHotaru]

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

[AngryFrozenWater]

ATiBotka wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

And that's odd. Because the krogan were infected by the genophage earlier. Now they have been infected with another racial mutilation. This time it is synthesis against their will. The krogan are never left alone.

They're happy because the Reapers flew away.

Or they were simply mind controlled as Shepard's "essence of who [he/she] is and what [he/she] is" is mixed with the Crucible's energy. You know, that doesn't cause them to get Shepard's sexy looks or Shepard's fashionable hairdo. The essence has more to do with Shepard's mental capabilities. If synthesis is no utopia with mind control then it should not behave like one.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 août 2012 - 09:09 .

[Fixers0]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Ending sequence.

So, what do you say? Synthesis is brainwash?

No i disprove your assertion that Synthesis affects everybody in the same way.

Then how does synthesis affect krogans? How does it affect humans, turians?

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

[tyrvas]

some at BW believe the Catalyst is a god,
they follow the church of inevitable synthesis.

SO BE IT!

[Hannah Montana]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

Please tell me where you heard that.
That entity sounds like fantasy.

Modifié par Hannah Montana, 21 août 2012 - 09:09 .

[Wayning_Star]

AresKeith wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
which isn't possible in Sci-fi

Not that we know of.  We're never given any idea that genetic modification (that almost ALL soldiers go through) is some kind of excrutiatingly painful process.  The fact that Synthesis is the result of a process enacted by a ridiculously advanced AI created by a ridiculously advanced culture that also created the ridiculously advanced kill-bots (who according to the codex ignore the laws of science and physics anyway), and doesn't hurt people in the process isn't far-fetched.

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

thirty million years of technological development seems pretty strange and mystical to me.. Considering the crucible feeds off stars to function..just needed about all the resources of the etire MEU just to prime it.. Relays utilize dark matter to transmit matter across parsecs of space intantly.. green beams are transmutational. ?? Seems easy really.