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[zambot]

Nyoka wrote...

EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".

Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.

I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down.  Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.

This is not brainwashing.  This is enlightenment.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Hackett: Everythingz gonna be okay.

EDI: I'm a real boy!

Shepard: 

[ATiBotka]

Fixers0 wrote...

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

[AresKeith]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

except in Mass Effect nothing has ever happened on the scale of Synthesis until the last 10 minutes of the game, therefore its not possible within that universe

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'll grant you that, but the scenes in particular that trouble you (London being rebuilt, and Coates) could take place further in the future.  We're not given a clear idea.

London would logically be the primary sites for rebuilding due to it's significance in the final battle and being the new terminal for the Citadel.
I just don't see rebuilding like that taking place any significant amount of time after the end of the war.

Well, again, look who they picked as the Narrator.  EDI.  Makes sense for her to gloss over it considering she's now reveling in this new form of existence that was originally something she might never get to experience.  If Hackett was still the narrator I'm sure he would've mentioned it.

EDI has a strong dislike of the Reapers and their methods, they made a point of this in ME3. She would surely have something to say. Even just by observation. As in "I see how the people react, they are not happy."

Actually, Control DOES portray the Reapers a peacekeeping force.  How intrusive a force seems to depend on whether you're Paragon or Renegade when that choice is made.  (Renegade Control is downright freaky, you'll get no argument from me there)

Sure, Synthesis handwaves the issues of understanding, but we both agree that there is likely a period of some time where things are still incredibly tense.  I don't feel I needed the game to TELL me it was tense when it was fairly obvious.  But I suppose that's where we differ.

I don't need the ending to tell me. Again, like destroy, they can just acknowledge that there's a problem. They don't have to go into detail about how it's solved.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 août 2012 - 09:10 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

zambot wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".

Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.

I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down.  Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.

This is not brainwashing.  This is enlightenment.

Seems legit.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 21 août 2012 - 09:10 .

[Hannah Montana]

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

He is working for the Reapers, of course he is.

[Wayning_Star]

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

Please tell me where you heard that.

one old star trek episode, where cosmic sized amiba swallows the enterprise.It had a membrane that ecompassed an entire sector of space...there are many others that do that.

[RiouHotaru]

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

Please tell me where you heard that.

Alan Dean Foster's series Flinx and Pipp?  The "antagonist" (though really it's like the Reapers, just some omnipresent background monster) is a "Great Evil" that the protagonist can sense via telepathy that is utterly massive in scale.  In the last book, he finds a precursor super-weapon designed to take out the enemy (because the precursors knew it was coming) that kills it in one shot.

Great series really.

[ATiBotka]

Hannah Montana wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

He is working for the Reapers, of course he is.

Working WITH the Reapers.

[Fixers0]

ATiBotka wrote...


And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

Who knows what the Reapers did to him...

The soldiers initial reaction is much more reliable.

Modifié par Fixers0, 21 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[Wayning_Star]

Hannah Montana wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

He is working for the Reapers, of course he is.

not after sythesis, the reapers as we knew them, no longer exist in that function of form.

[The Angry One]

ATiBotka wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Krogan are happy, Alliance is not. both bad news.

And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

He is working for the Reapers, of course he is.

Working WITH the Reapers.

I'm sure he thinks that. Harbinger's new minions work better if they think they're autonomous.

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

I don't need the ending to tell me. Again, like destroy, they can just acknowledge that there's a problem. They don't have to go into detail about how it's solved.

Holy balls, I think hell froze over, we actually have come to a form of consensus over something!  (A MIRACLE!)  I agree that a mention of the issue probably would help.

I'll just differ in that the lack of a mention doesn't seem to bother me as much as it bothers you.

[ATiBotka]

Fixers0 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...


And what about Coates? He's smiling too.

Who knows what the Reapers did to him.

But they are helping people. What did you do if you were him? Shooting Reapers with M-8 Avengers?

[zambot]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

zambot wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".

Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.

I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down.  Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.

This is not brainwashing.  This is enlightenment.

Seems legit.

This is not a new topic in science fiction.

[ATiBotka]

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sure he thinks that. Harbinger's new minions work better if they think they're autonomous.

It's coexistence. The Reapers are helping, what is the problem with that?

[Applepie_Svk]

The Angry One wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Working WITH the Reapers.

I'm sure he thinks that. Harbinger's new minions work better if they think they're autonomous.

You know that guy, his name was Saren I think ... He also thought that Sovereing worked with him...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 21 août 2012 - 09:16 .

[Saul Iscariot]

AresKeith wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
which isn't possible in Sci-fi

Not that we know of.  We're never given any idea that genetic modification (that almost ALL soldiers go through) is some kind of excrutiatingly painful process.  The fact that Synthesis is the result of a process enacted by a ridiculously advanced AI created by a ridiculously advanced culture that also created the ridiculously advanced kill-bots (who according to the codex ignore the laws of science and physics anyway), and doesn't hurt people in the process isn't far-fetched.

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

Really? Because I'm pretty sure no two electrons in the universe share the same value, I'm sorry my quantum physics is off, but if an electron in our galaxy took a value then every electron in the universe would have to accommodate that or reality would have to revised. I wish I hadn't been drinking tonight, but electrons know. Doesn't matter where they are in the universe, they're all different. If they can do that on a universal level infecting all conscious life forms on a galactic scale isn't that difficult. And that's science fact.

[Wayning_Star]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

Please tell me where you heard that.

Alan Dean Foster's series Flinx and Pipp?  The "antagonist" (though really it's like the Reapers, just some omnipresent background monster) is a "Great Evil" that the protagonist can sense via telepathy that is utterly massive in scale.  In the last book, he finds a precursor super-weapon designed to take out the enemy (because the precursors knew it was coming) that kills it in one shot.

Great series really.

 http://en.wikipedia...._Tar-Aiym_Krang was so good I named my junk yard puppy after it..lol
the  Vom was a really big planet eater too.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodhype 

[Hannah Montana]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

a green energy wave that turns people into hybrids in a matter of seconds is not possible even in a Science Fiction, that is pure Fantasy

...Then you need to read more science fiction.  I've read science fiction where a super-weapon snuffs out an evil, galaxy consuming entity (which was about the size OF a galaxy) in a single shot.  Effects that occur on a massive, massive scale are not unheard of.

Please tell me where you heard that.

Alan Dean Foster's series Flinx and Pipp?  The "antagonist" (though really it's like the Reapers, just some omnipresent background monster) is a "Great Evil" that the protagonist can sense via telepathy that is utterly massive in scale.  In the last book, he finds a precursor super-weapon designed to take out the enemy (because the precursors knew it was coming) that kills it in one shot.

Great series really.

I actually added a bit on to the post after.
That sounds so much like fantasy, even the fact they knew it was coming.

[The Angry One]

ATiBotka wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I'm sure he thinks that. Harbinger's new minions work better if they think they're autonomous.

It's coexistence. The Reapers are helping, what is the problem with that?

How is it coexistence? They Reapers only deigned to let us exist when we became like them. Remade in their image.

[AngryFrozenWater]

zambot wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

zambot wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".

Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.

I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down.  Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.

This is not brainwashing.  This is enlightenment.

Seems legit.

This is not a new topic in science fiction.

Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 août 2012 - 09:20 .

[Russmandarin]

Hey of all the endings the synthesis ending leaves the galaxy in the best shape. I'm just a little turned off by all sentient life being part machine