Wayning_Star wrote...
Hannah Montana wrote...
[indoctrinated]We're all working with the Reapers to improve our future together. [/indoctrinated]
no, indoctrination is simple communication, like a walkie talky. Synthesis is a sharing of resources, like blood transfusion or transplant operation.
Modifié par Hannah Montana, 21 août 2012 - 09:31 .
Fixers0 wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
But they are helping people.
that's what they want you to believe, still no anwser.
Modifié par ATiBotka, 21 août 2012 - 09:33 .
The same goes for violating the right of self-determination, which the reapers applied for the last billion years in the most horrific ways imaginable. Synthesis is just one of those methods, because there is no opt-in and the opt-out is death. The reapers keep on dreaming up solutions like that. The problem is that it cannot be a solution, because the threat is hypothetical. And if you look at it that way, the only threat there is, are the reapers.zambot wrote...
No of course not. Don't be silly.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?zambot wrote...
This is not a new topic in science fiction.Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Seems legit.zambot wrote...
I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down. Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.Nyoka wrote...
EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".
Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.
This is not brainwashing. This is enlightenment.
Yup genocide is just part of carving out your species place in history. I'm of black ancestory, I've seen the paperwork that showed my forebears being resettled in Bristol. The Brits get accussed of being anti european for thousands of years of invasion and cultural destruction yet we get prissy over a few hundred years of being enslaved and called ****. We had that before, the only difference was the N word. I could pass myself off as jamaican and be cool as eff. It's a set back.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?zambot wrote...
This is not a new topic in science fiction.Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Seems legit.zambot wrote...
I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down. Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.Nyoka wrote...
EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".
Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.
This is not brainwashing. This is enlightenment.
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
The same goes for violating the right of self-determination, which the reapers applied for the last billion years in the most horrific ways imaginable. Synthesis is just one of those methods, because there is no opt-in and the opt-out is death. The reapers keep on dreaming up solutions like that. The problem is that it cannot be a solution, because the threat is hypothetical. And if you look at it that way, the only threat there is, are the reapers.zambot wrote...
No of course not. Don't be silly.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?zambot wrote...
This is not a new topic in science fiction.Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Seems legit.zambot wrote...
I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down. Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.Nyoka wrote...
EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".
Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.
This is not brainwashing. This is enlightenment.
Wayning_Star wrote...
Hannah Montana wrote...
RiouHotaru wrote...
Hannah Montana wrote...
I changed one word slightly
Now we're arguing semnatics. Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.
Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.
not unlike the big bang theory,eh..
but organics are 'self determined' to become sythetic, as they think it's the best guess to survival and time frame limitation, like life expectancy, in a vast chunk of space to explore and learn from..etc.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
The same goes for violating the right of self-determination, which the reapers applied for the last billion years in the most horrific ways imaginable. Synthesis is just one of those methods, because there is no opt-in and the opt-out is death. The reapers keep on dreaming up solutions like that. The problem is that it cannot be a solution, because the threat is hypothetical. And if you look at it that way, the only threat there is, are the reapers.zambot wrote...
No of course not. Don't be silly.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?zambot wrote...
This is not a new topic in science fiction.Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Seems legit.zambot wrote...
I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down. Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.Nyoka wrote...
EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".
Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.
This is not brainwashing. This is enlightenment.
Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.zambot wrote...
wtf does that have to do with enlightenment vs. brainwashing via space magic? If you're hung up over the fact that Shep didn't give everyone a vote before pressing the green button, that's cool and all, but that's a whole different topic. The way I see it, the only button that doesn't remove "Self-determination" is the blue button. It's the only one that affects no one other than Shepard and the reapers.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
The same goes for violating the right of self-determination, which the reapers applied for the last billion years in the most horrific ways imaginable. Synthesis is just one of those methods, because there is no opt-in and the opt-out is death. The reapers keep on dreaming up solutions like that. The problem is that it cannot be a solution, because the threat is hypothetical. And if you look at it that way, the only threat there is, are the reapers.zambot wrote...
No of course not. Don't be silly.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Does that mean that you also defend cyclical genocide as well? Turning children against the protheans? Employing technology to believe the lies of the reapers, called indoctrination? And the other gazillion atrocities? After all, it is science fiction, right?zambot wrote...
This is not a new topic in science fiction.Conniving_Eagle wrote...
Seems legit.zambot wrote...
I know this comes as an enormous shock to people, but a great number of people believe that as we approach enlightenment, our propensity for violence will go down. Attaining ultimate knowledge or enlightment then necessarily implies violent conflict will be eliminated.Nyoka wrote...
EDI: "All of us, synthetic and organic, have been changed".
Changed (by synthesis) into accepting a certain idea that not everybody accepted before. "Changed" sounds better, gotta admit that. Everybody had their minds changed at the same time concerning this issue. Which happens to be the time they got hit by the beam.
This is not brainwashing. This is enlightenment.
The Angry One wrote...
I NEVER said ANYTHING about someone else's ability to raise children.
Stop lying about what I've done, HYR. You've already earned a block, if you continue I'll report you for harassment.
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.
Modifié par zambot, 21 août 2012 - 09:47 .
HYR 2.0 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
I NEVER said ANYTHING about someone else's ability to raise children.
Stop lying about what I've done, HYR. You've already earned a block, if you continue I'll report you for harassment.
You might be fooling others by being pendantic, but you're not fooling me. You tell me "I hope you never gain political power" and the next guy says "I hope you don't have power over any individual (... like a pet, or kid)." Those are only different to someone with no sense of empathy.
As for reporting me for "harassment" ... you're just too damn funny. Now you're making a threat just to show who's boss. Oh, and to silence dissent against your insults because you can't handle it, no less. So much for your self-righteous opinions about power, and freedom of conflict/dissent. (That's why I have, and will continue to, laugh at people who try to take the moral high ground against synthesis).
But do try it anyways. Just be warned that I do not act without a plan.
Modifié par The Angry One, 21 août 2012 - 09:53 .
D24O wrote...
What if I said Gooby Pls to the Catalyst, would that work?
*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.zambot wrote...
I'm not mad. I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.
HYR 2.0 wrote...
[So much for your self-righteous opinions about power, and freedom of conflict/dissent. (That's why I have, and will continue to, laugh at people who try to take the moral high ground against synthesis).
But do try it anyways. Just be warned that I do not act without a plan.
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.zambot wrote...
I'm not mad. I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.
Darkin30 wrote...
Say NO to YES!!
Hannah Montana wrote...
Oh there is no moral high ground we have to take against synthesis.
We're already there, remember you're the one who goes down for choosing synthesis.
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