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[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

We've been down that road before, friendy. I never said that, and you don't have evidence that I did either (because, again, I didn't say it). It's only not personal to you because *you're* not on the receiving end. In the end, it doesn't matter if I'm the next Joe Stalin. It's still an insult to anyone with an iota of self-esteem. Or am I supposed to like being ridiculed?

Really? At least before you had the decency to admit what you said. I suppose now it's become too inconvenient.
Also, if you take remarks about political power as an insult I don't know what to tell you. That you think it's an insult on the same level as disparaging someone's ability to raise a child is.. baffling.

Sorry, it's not a misrepresentation just because you say it is. You're joked about by A LOT by people other than me precisely because of these things you say and for what you clearly are. My arguments are fine on their own, but I'm also willing to use the nuclear bomb as well. The anti-synthesis camp has really earned it, IMO.

Like I said, I'm the hero that synthites need!

Oh? By who exactly? Let me guess. Atreiya? Maaze? Dragoon? Or any of the other people who think they have the right to insult others for not immediately agreeing with their headcanon?
What I am is irrelvant. You always try to bring it into the discussion, because you have nothing else. The fact that you and the others I've mentioned always, always have to make it personal proves what little substance your arguments actually have.

I have made many statements against synthesis without resorting to personal attacks, quite unlike your camp.
But don't think I won't defend myself. Now get back on topic.

[AngryFrozenWater]

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.

I'm not mad.  I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.

*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.

ok, let me see here.  I respond to someone to talk about brain washing, then you respond to me to talk about genocide and story topics.  Are you a troll or just a moron?

You do seem to get aggravated real fast don't you? It looks like somehow enlightenment must have been a benefit of synthesis. And you made the point that it was a valid SF topic. So, I gave some other SF topics used by ME3. Less colorful of course. But those topics happen to have everything to do with those who you are set to fight against. Like cyclical genocide. So my point is that enlightenment has never been a part of what Shepard was asked to do. It's really simple actually.

You can also opt not to respond to my posts. That's fair. Nobody is forcing you to respond.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Oh there is no moral high ground we have to take against synthesis.
We're already there, remember you're the one who goes down for choosing synthesis.

Oh look, another one.

> Synthesis is bad for involving no choice.
> Thread: "Say NO to synthesis." Why? Because I say so! (Everyone who agrees: hooray!!!!!)

Yeah, you're clearly above me. 

Nobody's going to force you to say no.
Quite unlike synthesis, where nobody gets a choice..

[zambot]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.

I'm not mad.  I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.

*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.

ok, let me see here.  I respond to someone to talk about brain washing, then you respond to me to talk about genocide and story topics.  Are you a troll or just a moron?

You do seem to get aggravated real fast don't you? It looks like somehow enlightenment must have been a benefit of synthesis. And you made the point that it was a valid SF topic. So, I gave some other SF topics used by ME3. Less colorful of course. But those topics happen to have everything to do with those who you are set to fight against. Like cyclical genocide. So my point is that enlightenment has never been a part of what Shepard was asked to do. It's really simple actually.

You can also opt not to respond to my posts. That's fair. Nobody is forcing you to respond.

Why do you think I'm aggravated?  I still don't know why you tried to derail my discussion, but whatever.  This has taken on a life of its own so...

1. Synthesis accomplishes enlightenment through space magic.
2. I don't believe genocide is acceptable.
3. Yes, the topic comes out of nowhere, and the ending is bad.

Did I miss anything you wish to discuss?

Modifié par zambot, 21 août 2012 - 10:24 .

[Hannah Montana]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Oh there is no moral high ground we have to take against synthesis.
We're already there, remember you're the one who goes down for choosing synthesis.

Oh look, another one.

> Synthesis is bad for involving no choice.
> Thread: "Say NO to synthesis." Why? Because I say so! (Everyone who agrees: hooray!!!!!)

Yeah, you're clearly above me. 

Then don't lower yourself into the beam.

[Blue Face Beast]

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

I changed one word slightly

Now we're arguing semnatics.  Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.

Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.

So what? Fantasy is very ok mixed with sci-fi. Are there people saying that Star Trek is no sci-fi? Well in Star Trek there is fantasy almost all the time ( just think about Q or Kevin Uxbridge who destroyed all the Husnocks just with a thought... ).

So yes, there is fantasy in ME the same way there is fantasy in Star Wars.. yeah space magic... i dont care, its fun. I dont need to have everything explained to me all the time.

[AngryFrozenWater]

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.

I'm not mad.  I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.

*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.

ok, let me see here.  I respond to someone to talk about brain washing, then you respond to me to talk about genocide and story topics.  Are you a troll or just a moron?

You do seem to get aggravated real fast don't you? It looks like somehow enlightenment must have been a benefit of synthesis. And you made the point that it was a valid SF topic. So, I gave some other SF topics used by ME3. Less colorful of course. But those topics happen to have everything to do with those who you are set to fight against. Like cyclical genocide. So my point is that enlightenment has never been a part of what Shepard was asked to do. It's really simple actually.

You can also opt not to respond to my posts. That's fair. Nobody is forcing you to respond.

Why do you think I'm aggravated?  I still don't know why you tried to derail my discussion, but whatever.

If the above is not clear then no need to continue, right?

[Hannah Montana]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

I changed one word slightly

Now we're arguing semnatics.  Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.

Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.

So what? Fantasy is very ok mixed with sci-fi. Are there people saying that Star Trek is no sci-fi? Well in Star Trek there is fantasy almost all the time ( just think about Q or Kevin Uxbridge who destroyed all the Husnocks just with a thought... ).

So yes, there is fantasy in ME the same way there is fantasy in Star Wars.. yeah space magic... i dont care, its fun. I dont need to have everything explained to me all the time.

Well I do, it adds depth to the story and sets the rules for the universe and what can happen in it.
Why bother setting rules if you make stuff up like magic.

[AresKeith]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

I changed one word slightly

Now we're arguing semnatics.  Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.

Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.

So what? Fantasy is very ok mixed with sci-fi. Are there people saying that Star Trek is no sci-fi? Well in Star Trek there is fantasy almost all the time ( just think about Q or Kevin Uxbridge who destroyed all the Husnocks just with a thought... ).

So yes, there is fantasy in ME the same way there is fantasy in Star Wars.. yeah space magic... i dont care, its fun. I dont need to have everything explained to me all the time.

but here's the thing, they have all been explained into their lore through science, which made it Science Fiction. Where Synthesis appears in the last 10 minutes, not really explained and does something that hasn't even been seen throughout the whole series

[Wayning_Star]

The Angry One wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Oh there is no moral high ground we have to take against synthesis.
We're already there, remember you're the one who goes down for choosing synthesis.

Oh look, another one.

> Synthesis is bad for involving no choice.
> Thread: "Say NO to synthesis." Why? Because I say so! (Everyone who agrees: hooray!!!!!)

Yeah, you're clearly above me. 

Nobody's going to force you to say no.
Quite unlike synthesis, where nobody gets a choice..

Not entirely true, they did give the keys to the city to Shepard, who MUST decide the best case senerio. If he chooses synthesis, it's with the blessings of the entire MEU.

[Blue Face Beast]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

I changed one word slightly

Now we're arguing semnatics.  Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.

Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.

So what? Fantasy is very ok mixed with sci-fi. Are there people saying that Star Trek is no sci-fi? Well in Star Trek there is fantasy almost all the time ( just think about Q or Kevin Uxbridge who destroyed all the Husnocks just with a thought... ).

So yes, there is fantasy in ME the same way there is fantasy in Star Wars.. yeah space magic... i dont care, its fun. I dont need to have everything explained to me all the time.

Well I do, it adds depth to the story and sets the rules for the universe and what can happen in it.
Why bother setting rules if you make stuff up like magic.

Well i dont. So then we agree to disagree. We are different. And none of us dictates how Bioware make their game so we either buy their games and enjoy them for what they are or we dont.

It really is that simple.

[The Angry One]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not entirely true, they did give the keys to the city to Shepard, who MUST decide the best case senerio. If he chooses synthesis, it's with the blessings of the entire MEU.

False. Everyone gave Shepard the implicit authority to defeat the Reapers. Not violate their genetic structure to please the Reapers.

[Wayning_Star]

AresKeith wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

I changed one word slightly

Now we're arguing semnatics.  Hard science fiction and soft science fiction are STILL science fiction.

Perhaps but this big monster entity and this green wave of turd is the definition of fantasy.

So what? Fantasy is very ok mixed with sci-fi. Are there people saying that Star Trek is no sci-fi? Well in Star Trek there is fantasy almost all the time ( just think about Q or Kevin Uxbridge who destroyed all the Husnocks just with a thought... ).

So yes, there is fantasy in ME the same way there is fantasy in Star Wars.. yeah space magic... i dont care, its fun. I dont need to have everything explained to me all the time.

but here's the thing, they have all been explained into their lore through science, which made it Science Fiction. Where Synthesis appears in the last 10 minutes, not really explained and does something that hasn't even been seen throughout the whole series

well its spose to be a climactic finish to the reaper threat. Actually the whole MEU appears rather quickly, in galactic time. But the players who disdain others choice of synthesis, require a timer on any other choices now?

That's not an arguement for or against synthesis, by the way. It's exta game observation is all. Synthesis was proposed through out the series, in one form or another. As in organics vs very big machines and how they control them or not. Shep endlessly tries to understand the reapers, reason with them, a form of synthesis, albeit only on the surface.

[Anti-killer]

Let us all embrace Cyberconversion! forget a tiny few synthetic implants, BECOME the Synthetic implants!

[zambot]

The Angry One wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not entirely true, they did give the keys to the city to Shepard, who MUST decide the best case senerio. If he chooses synthesis, it's with the blessings of the entire MEU.

False. Everyone gave Shepard the implicit authority to defeat the Reapers. Not violate their genetic structure to please the Reapers.

But it would be ok to violate their genetic structure to defeat the reapers?

Edit: I want to make sure I understand your opinion about what is morally objectionable.  Changing everyone's genetic structure, or doing something to please the reapers.

Modifié par zambot, 21 août 2012 - 10:51 .

[Strelsky]

They should take the indoctrination theory in as canon. Essentially just make the next game to be what happens if Shepard never made it to the beam.

[Wayning_Star]

The Angry One wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Not entirely true, they did give the keys to the city to Shepard, who MUST decide the best case senerio. If he chooses synthesis, it's with the blessings of the entire MEU.

False. Everyone gave Shepard the implicit authority to defeat the Reapers. Not violate their genetic structure to please the Reapers.

Well that was a choice, not dependant on how you portray your distrust. It doesn't violate, so much as shares data. And I have to point out again, that it works both ways.

If anyone were to object to it in the MEU,it would be synthetics. They didn't ask to be created by organics, or, at the very least, engineered to be succeptable to organic inteligence, that is 'gain life', so they are the actual underdogs here.

He has implicit authority to do what ever he/she sees fit. Lookit up in the Codex.. rules of conduct for Shepard an officer and as a spectre adds punch to the issue.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Spectres

http://masseffect.wi...ar_Assets/Alien

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 21 août 2012 - 10:49 .

[Wayning_Star]

Anti-killer wrote...

Let us all embrace Cyberconversion! forget a tiny few synthetic implants, BECOME the Synthetic implants!

thats actually, "become partly the synthetic implants".  Smoke'em if you got'em, just as long as it's your idea,eh? lol

""embrace synthetics only just enough to use them like crazy, but don't what ever you do, give them rights of passage or any other organic traits.. ie, screw them, they're plastic people, we don't like plastic people, they're not real, or needed for anything other than what we say!!""

sounds like a reaper trumpetteer..

[Seival]

ATiBotka wrote...

Seival wrote...

I'm saying YES to Controled Synthesis. Which means my Shepard chose Control, to prepare everyone to the inevitable Synthesis.

"Prepare yourselves for Synthesis!"

Yes!

All Control and Synthesis fans, unite!

http://social.biowar...ndex/13740862/1

[Wayning_Star]

Strelsky wrote...

They should take the indoctrination theory in as canon. Essentially just make the next game to be what happens if Shepard never made it to the beam.

They can't, it disaffects all players, the game stops as soon as the IT starts.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

zambot wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ghehe. Are you mad now? You seem to forget that this game was never about enlightment. It was about Commander Shepard who, as a Spectre, was chosen to get rid of the reaper threat. And that some translate that into something that has nothing to do with his/her inititial task is fine, but to glorify these evil overlords and to join them doesn't fit the job description.

I'm not mad.  I'm wondering why you keep changing topics.

*reads topic* Nope. Looks like I am getting back on topic.

ok, let me see here.  I respond to someone to talk about brain washing, then you respond to me to talk about genocide and story topics.  Are you a troll or just a moron?

You do seem to get aggravated real fast don't you? It looks like somehow enlightenment must have been a benefit of synthesis. And you made the point that it was a valid SF topic. So, I gave some other SF topics used by ME3. Less colorful of course. But those topics happen to have everything to do with those who you are set to fight against. Like cyclical genocide. So my point is that enlightenment has never been a part of what Shepard was asked to do. It's really simple actually.

You can also opt not to respond to my posts. That's fair. Nobody is forcing you to respond.

Why do you think I'm aggravated?  I still don't know why you tried to derail my discussion, but whatever.  This has taken on a life of its own so...

1. Synthesis accomplishes enlightenment through space magic.
2. I don't believe genocide is acceptable.
3. Yes, the topic comes out of nowhere, and the ending is bad.

Did I miss anything you wish to discuss?

When did enlightenment = slavery?

[Wayning_Star]

Seival wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Seival wrote...

I'm saying YES to Controled Synthesis. Which means my Shepard chose Control, to prepare everyone to the inevitable Synthesis.

"Prepare yourselves for Synthesis!"

Yes!

All Control and Synthesis fans, unite!

http://social.biowar...ndex/13740862/1

Nah, the illusive man went down to prove control won't work..in the end, Shep gets the royal shaft, posed as a gold mine.. There is no quick fix to this problem with synth vs orga. Theyve either got to live together or fight forever in a loop of 'who dun it'..

[T-Raks]

No.

[zambot]

DinoSteve wrote...


When did enlightenment = slavery?

It does not equal slavery.  If Synthesis is slavery in your head canon, I can see why you did not choose it.

[MacNasty]

 Two questions...

First, what exactly does Synthesis do? I don't mean what you think it does, but it was actually stated to do. No headcanon please, just what they say in the game about it.

Second, where is the proof the Catalyst uses to prove his theories? Because that's all they are, with no evidence to back them up...