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[ShepnTali]

Eterna5 wrote...

How about we shut up about Synthesis and let the people who like it pick it without being **** upon.

No. It pertains to the story and it's fair game. Pick on it, like it, ignore it whatever. The game. The story. The endings. Whatever. 'People' shouldn't be picked on, and it's fair to disagree or ignore altogether. But as we see, it's not one sided.

So, no shutting up. despite the ragers.

[Grizzly46]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

The Mass Effect triology ends with SHepard's choice - the only thing canonical is what the player think is canonical, may it be synthesis or whatever.

If there's a ME4 made (IF. Note the word 'if') set after the triology, it will need to adress either choice, with perhaps a choice ade for you if you don't import a save (whcih could very well be synthesis).

Personally I prefer to destroy the damn reapers for a whole bunch of reasons, but I can see why people choose synthesis (control not so much)

You can understand how someone would want to live and have sex with abominations.
But 1 entity controlling the Reapers and guarding the galaxy is just too much for you.

Is that what I'm saying? Geez...

Ok, my take on it is similar to that of that professor's who chimed in on the subject (ie, that none of the choices were to complete satisfaction), and that's all I can say about it in this subject - if I would elaborate on it, it would derail the thread, which is about synthesis being bad.

[DirtyPhoenix]

The title is misleading. It should be "Say NO to synthesis for canon".

[Mordak55]

Tommyspa wrote...

Why would I say no to the best ending?

Its only the best ending in your head, not in mine.

[Hannah Montana]

Grizzly46 wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

The Mass Effect triology ends with SHepard's choice - the only thing canonical is what the player think is canonical, may it be synthesis or whatever.

If there's a ME4 made (IF. Note the word 'if') set after the triology, it will need to adress either choice, with perhaps a choice ade for you if you don't import a save (whcih could very well be synthesis).

Personally I prefer to destroy the damn reapers for a whole bunch of reasons, but I can see why people choose synthesis (control not so much)

You can understand how someone would want to live and have sex with abominations.
But 1 entity controlling the Reapers and guarding the galaxy is just too much for you.

Is that what I'm saying? Geez...

Ok, my take on it is similar to that of that professor's who chimed in on the subject (ie, that none of the choices were to complete satisfaction), and that's all I can say about it in this subject - if I would elaborate on it, it would derail the thread, which is about synthesis being bad.

Post it here social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12153660/178

[Wayning_Star]

It's too late to say you're sorry about synthesis. IF you read this, you're already on your way there..it doesn't matter if you choose it or not in a video game, you've done so just by playing with a computer in a game. It's what the "catalyst" is, a computerized enity that represents synthesis. Why do you think he/it looks like a young humanoid but isn't?

No synthesis = no computers/high technology...... "ever".

In Greek mythology, Icarus (the Latin spelling, conventionally adopted in English; Ancient Greek: Ἴκαρος, Íkaros, Etruscan: Vikare[1]) is the son of the master craftsman Daedalus. The main story told about Icarus in his attempt to escape from Crete by means of wings that his father constructed from feathers and wax. He ignored instructions not to fly too close to the sun, and the melting wax caused him to fall into the sea where he drowned. The myth shares thematic similarities with that of Phaëton — both are usually taken as tragic examples of hubris or failed ambition — and is often depicted in art. Today, the Hellenic Air Force Academy is named after Icarus, who is seen as the mythical pioneer in Greece's attempt to conquer the skies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus

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[Jadebaby]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

So what?

It use to be a person, now it is an abomination.
That could have your daughter or wife, do you really want it still breathing?

Seen that way, it may look terrible i agree. But the truce that synthesis brings saves million others and it breaks the cycle of machine vs organics for the time being ( maybe forever? ).

I think it is a worthy choice in the end.

When you also have the option, right there at the same time present, to also destroy these abominations...

A truce doesn't mean much really....

I'd also like to note that I hate all the endings equally. At first I was a fan of destroy. Then refuse. But now I just choose to hate them all equally. It works better that way.

Successful refuse.. Now there's an ending I could get behind. Shepard says "**** you!" to the Catalyst. Levi rocks up, Shepard jumps on Levi's back and proceeds to ride him around Sol extinguishing every.last.Reaper.

Geth survives. Edi survives. Reaper menace dead.

Problem solved.

[Jadebaby]

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

[ATiBotka]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Successful refuse.. Now there's an ending I could get behind. Shepard says "**** you!" to the Catalyst. Levi rocks up, Shepard jumps on Levi's back and proceeds to ride him around Sol extinguishing every.last.Reaper.

Problem solved.

That would cheapen the reapers.

[ATiBotka]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

In all of the endings you're making a choice for everyone. Especially in refuse.

[Grizzly46]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

Thank you. Exactly my point regarding synthesis.

[Blue Face Beast]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

Like it or not, Shepard gets to decide the fate of the galaxy, one way or another, even by doing nothing.

Survivors can hate him for that like you said but it would not be the first time that a single person would decide the fate of many.

Now the question is, what are you gonna do? And given the choices available, it is hard to figure what is the best way to make things right. Thus the bittersweet ending.

I know it annoys some people that they can't have their great space-opera classical ending with evil is vanquished and everyone rejoiced and the hero lived long and prospered...

Personnaly i am ok with that. One way or the other, the galaxy's fate gets a conclusion and our Hero gets a "good death", a meaningful death.

I like synthesis but i do not hate the other choices either... I decide the personality of my Shepard and depending how i want him to act, all these choices could have been his. They are all good choices, they are all bad choices. But they all carry consequences that will alter the galaxy.

[Jadebaby]

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Successful refuse.. Now there's an ending I could get behind. Shepard says "**** you!" to the Catalyst. Levi rocks up, Shepard jumps on Levi's back and proceeds to ride him around Sol extinguishing every.last.Reaper.

Problem solved.

That would cheapen the reapers.

Not to be taken literally. And I'd rather the Reapers be cheapened then Shepard be cheapened. Which is what happens now.

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

In all of the endings you're making a choice for everyone. Especially in refuse.

No, you're making a choice for the galaxy in refuse. Yes, you're signing every advanced species their death warrants. But in the end it's the Reapers that kill them.

Synthesis is VERY different.

It's like a mum going "you two can't get along? Fine then, here!" And proceeding to force peace down everyone's throats by compromising their personal beings.

I always laugh whenever the Catalyst says "It's not something that can be... forced."

When that's exactly what you're doing... lulz.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 21 août 2012 - 10:48 .

[Jadebaby]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

Like it or not, Shepard gets to decide the fate of the galaxy, one way or another, even by doing nothing.

Survivors can hate him for that like you said but it would not be the first time that a single person would decide the fate of many.

Now the question is, what are you gonna do? And given the choices available, it is hard to figure what is the best way to make things right. Thus the bittersweet ending.

I know it annoys some people that they can't have their great space-opera classical ending with evil is vanquished and everyone rejoiced and the hero lived long and prospered...

Personnaly i am ok with that. One way or the other, the galaxy's fate gets a conclusion and our Hero gets a "good death", a meaningful death.

I like synthesis but i do not hate the other choices either... I decide the personality of my Shepard and depending how i want him to act, all these choices could have been his. They are all good choices, they are all bad choices. But they all carry consequences that will alter the galaxy.

It doesn't matter how good or bad each one is. They are immoral. Therefore they are all bad. Every.single.one.

People will never stop ****ing about "omGmYendINgsLeSsEviLthAnUrz!" because they fail to see that they are all evil.

[Wayning_Star]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

Like it or not, Shepard gets to decide the fate of the galaxy, one way or another, even by doing nothing.

Survivors can hate him for that like you said but it would not be the first time that a single person would decide the fate of many.

Now the question is, what are you gonna do? And given the choices available, it is hard to figure what is the best way to make things right. Thus the bittersweet ending.

I know it annoys some people that they can't have their great space-opera classical ending with evil is vanquished and everyone rejoiced and the hero lived long and prospered...

Personnaly i am ok with that. One way or the other, the galaxy's fate gets a conclusion and our Hero gets a "good death", a meaningful death.

I like synthesis but i do not hate the other choices either... I decide the personality of my Shepard and depending how i want him to act, all these choices could have been his. They are all good choices, they are all bad choices. But they all carry consequences that will alter the galaxy.

It doesn't matter how good or bad each one is. They are immoral. Therefore they are all bad. Every.single.one.

People will never stop ****ing about "omGmYendINgsLeSsEviLthAnUrz!" because they fail to see that they are all evil.

OR, none of them are...lol

[Wayning_Star]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Successful refuse.. Now there's an ending I could get behind. Shepard says "**** you!" to the Catalyst. Levi rocks up, Shepard jumps on Levi's back and proceeds to ride him around Sol extinguishing every.last.Reaper.

Problem solved.

That would cheapen the reapers.

Not to be taken literally. And I'd rather the Reapers be cheapened then Shepard be cheapened. Which is what happens now.

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

In all of the endings you're making a choice for everyone. Especially in refuse.

No, you're making a choice for the galaxy in refuse. Yes, you're signing every advanced species their death warrants. But in the end it's the Reapers that kill them.

Synthesis is VERY different.

It's like a mum going "you two can't get along? Fine then, here!" And proceeding to force peace down everyone's throats by compromising their personal beings.

I always laugh whenever the Catalyst says "It's not something that can be... forced."

When that's exactly what you're doing... lulz.

the catalyst version of synthesis isn't the actual form of synthesis, so it's not an issue, what it considers 'forced'. It doesn't think that the harvest is 'bad', matter of fact, it's programming permits it's being "good".. but that's not something that can be forced? lol

There is no War, there is only the harvest..some thing else the reapers consider as a maxim...and "Mum" does exactly that when she insists you act like your sibiliings, who's she appreciates their effort to "conform". Of course everyone should be rebel, that is non conformists...oh wait..never mind.. Mums' calling you..lol

Edit: to put that forced issue to rest, Shepard has a choice, he represents sentient life everywhere, even synthetic life, so his choice is the choices given by the crucible and all parties with vested interest.. by creating the crucible, the MEU gave Shep the "OK" for any decision he makes.. Like 007..he has a license to, er.. create.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 21 août 2012 - 11:05 .

[Jadebaby]

Wayning_Star wrote...

the catalyst version of synthesis isn't the actual form of synthesis, so it's not an issue, what it considers 'forced'. It doesn't think that the harvest is 'bad', matter of fact, it's programming permits it's being "good".. but that's not something that can be forced? lol

There is no War, there is only the harvest..some thing else the reapers consider as a maxim...and "Mum" does exactly that when she insists you act like your sibiliings, who's she appreciates their effort to "conform". Of course everyone should be rebel, that is non conformists...oh wait..never mind.. Mums' calling you..lol

Just when I thought you couldn't make any less sense, you went and posted this.

Edit: No they don't. Shepard fights for freedom, hers and everyone's. She fights for people's rights to CHOOSE their own fate.

Don't forget Synthesis is beyond permanent. Just because they built some contraption does not give Shepard the right to change the galaxy like that. For all eternity.

That'd be like 007 going around to all his enemies bases and going "come on man... Let's just you know... Synthesize our ideas and work together... Here, I'll even give you a license to kill....?

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 21 août 2012 - 11:10 .

[Blue Face Beast]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, the reaon people hate on Synthesis so much is because you're making a choice for everyone.

It implies that if you had the choice in reality. You would choose to change people against their will and without their knowledge.

Personally, I'd find that really offensive and if you didn't have to sacrifice yourself to make it happen i'd personally bash your face in for it. Whilst screaming "LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ME!!!"

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around..

I do wonder though, how many of you would actually sacrifice your very selves to make that happen? It's easy to make the choice in a game, but in real life?

There wouldn't be many I don't think.....

Like it or not, Shepard gets to decide the fate of the galaxy, one way or another, even by doing nothing.

Survivors can hate him for that like you said but it would not be the first time that a single person would decide the fate of many.

Now the question is, what are you gonna do? And given the choices available, it is hard to figure what is the best way to make things right. Thus the bittersweet ending.

I know it annoys some people that they can't have their great space-opera classical ending with evil is vanquished and everyone rejoiced and the hero lived long and prospered...

Personnaly i am ok with that. One way or the other, the galaxy's fate gets a conclusion and our Hero gets a "good death", a meaningful death.

I like synthesis but i do not hate the other choices either... I decide the personality of my Shepard and depending how i want him to act, all these choices could have been his. They are all good choices, they are all bad choices. But they all carry consequences that will alter the galaxy.

It doesn't matter how good or bad each one is. They are immoral. Therefore they are all bad. Every.single.one.

People will never stop ****ing about "omGmYendINgsLeSsEviLthAnUrz!" because they fail to see that they are all evil.

You say they are all immoral choices. That is by your personal standards? Your Shepard personality standards? Terran standards? Prothean standards? Other organic races standards? Synthetic life standards?

I think you personally see these choices has unacceptable and thus decide they are unacceptable for every other players and go as far as judging them all immorals.

Like Garrus said, personnaly i see nothing immoral in sacrificing 10 billion people to save 1 million. Some people would certainly object to that and some would even prefer having everyone die just so they do not have to choose who lives and who dies.

Morality is a luxury is some situations. You get to make tough calls and you live with them. I liked Mass Effect serie for that, it brings great dilemmas and things rarely ends being perfect and all clean.

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

[Blue Face Beast]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

How is that sick? They were your enemies and it was fair to fight them. If they are not your enemies anymore, why would you deny them their right to exist?

Because they used to be other people? Well, they are now what they are and they turned pacific. Do they still need to die?

[BD Manchild]

Good God, I hope not. Not only do I find Synthesis repulsive and nonsensical, but the very idea of a "canon" ending to Mass Effect - a series which has always been about the player making their own mark on the story - goes against everything the series was about up to that point.

Honestly, I really don't think Bioware have any bloody clue why people fell in love with the series in the first place.

[Jadebaby]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

You say they are all immoral choices. That is by your personal standards? Your Shepard personality standards? Terran standards? Prothean standards? Other organic races standards? Synthetic life standards?

I think you personally see these choices has unacceptable and thus decide they are unacceptable for every other players and go as far as judging them all immorals.

No, real life values say they are immoral. With each ending carrying it's own destruction to preservation.

Like Garrus said, personnaly i see nothing immoral in sacrificing 10 billion people to save 1 million. Some people would certainly object to that and some would even prefer having everyone die just so they do not have to choose who lives and who dies.

I wonder what he'd say once he realizes you let the Reapers live and they are going to be here to stay. Don't forget his whole 10 million lost for 1 billion lived was in regards to the Reapers killing people.

Morality is a luxury is some situations. You get to make tough calls and you live with them. I liked Mass Effect serie for that, it brings great dilemmas and things rarely ends being perfect and all clean.

That's just a lie. Sure there was times like Virmire or Shepard's death in ME2. Even Sovereign attack on Citadel and choosing between alliance and council.
But at the end of the day, you come out clean. And so did mostly everyone else. In ME2 I survived a suicide mission with my entire 12 squad and not one crew member died. You might have chosen to play it with more sacrifice so I understand the points you're trying to make if you did.

But not me.

[Jadebaby]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

How is that sick? They were your enemies and it was fair to fight them. If they are not your enemies anymore, why would you deny them their right to exist?

Because they used to be other people? Well, they are now what they are and they turned pacific. Do they still need to die?

Holy crap.

I can't believe the last 10 minutes of 100+ hours can do this to people.

What.the.****?

[Grizzly46]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

How is that sick? They were your enemies and it was fair to fight them. If they are not your enemies anymore, why would you deny them their right to exist?

Because they used to be other people? Well, they are now what they are and they turned pacific. Do they still need to die?

Someone murdered someone else 30 years ago. Should he still go to prison?

Modifié par Grizzly46, 21 août 2012 - 11:35 .