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[Wayning_Star]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

[Wayning_Star]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

How is that sick? They were your enemies and it was fair to fight them. If they are not your enemies anymore, why would you deny them their right to exist?

Because they used to be other people? Well, they are now what they are and they turned pacific. Do they still need to die?

Yes because, They used to be other people. They are hollow from the inside... they are indoctrinated and Reapers are controlling them. They are dead.

Organics = Synthesis = Reapers + Indoctrinated

Says who? Where is it clearly explained that synthesis turns every organics into some kind of mindless zombies? The footage ive seen from the synthesis ending looked more like a renewal and even a coming golden age for every living thing in the galaxy...

In the ending footage it certainly looked optimistic and i saw no one cried.

We can make all kind of theories but only Bioware really knows what Synthesis means and they've shown us what they wanted us to see of it. Where is the truth? Well there is no way to know but based on the footage, synthesis does not look like hell. It is open to imagination.

 

really tho, I don't think Bioware knows,  I think they're asking for user input..

[Apocaleepse360]

I'd just say no to the destruction of the Geth. They are the most diverse beings in the galaxy. If BioWare made it so the Geth who were working on the Crucible actually figured out that using it would destroy them too and fixed the problem (which would actually make sense, since you know, they were helping to work on it and surely would have foreseen a flaw as big as that).

[Kamfrenchie]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

If synthesis is canonized, it would be horrible. I don't like the idea of everyone living alongside husks, marauders, and banshees. Its just sick.

Pretty much this. Lately  BW has made some (imo) "retarded" decisions and making the synthesis as canon ending would be the most retarded one to date..... the last nail in the coffin...

How is that sick? They were your enemies and it was fair to fight them. If they are not your enemies anymore, why would you deny them their right to exist?

Because they used to be other people? Well, they are now what they are and they turned pacific. Do they still need to die?

Someone murdered someone else 30 years ago. Should he still go to prison?

By your logic, every soldier who have ever shotted someone during a war should go to prison?

Why the different treatment for Reapers? Because they are ugly? Because they are synthetic like the Geth? They have no right?

My point is that no matter all the people they killed, it was a war. and once a war is over, soldiers normally do not get all terminated, whichever side they were fighting for.

People keep seeing Reapers like they are not persons and basically they would want to treat them like quarians wanted to treat Geth. Im fine with that, it is a call your Shepard can do.

But if your Shepard could even accept the idea of a truce between Geth and Quarians, it is not far fetched to consider that if Reapers are sentient and that peace can be achieved with them, some Shepard might give it a serious thought.

because the reapers kills civilians that never did anything to them ? By that logic sould we excuse some atrocities committed earlier ?



If the rapers are mindlessmachine, they aren't morally significant, if they are entient, they deserve to die and to go to hell.


Soldiers are supposed to fight each other. oth are amed and trained nd know the are in a conflict. There ae rules

[Kamfrenchie]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

[Wayning_Star]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

I'd just say no to the destruction of the Geth. They are the most diverse beings in the galaxy. If BioWare made it so the Geth who were working on the Crucible actually figured out that using it would destroy them too and fixed the problem (which would actually make sense, since you know, they were helping to work on it and surely would have foreseen a flaw as big as that).

I'm of the opinion that the game lore and tech specs of the Geth, preclude any 'tinkering' with the crucible. It's advanced tech, they cannot cope with, in that regard.

I kept them around cause of Legions' attempt at sapience and their creators disrespect for their machine children they abandoned ouf of some weird fear thing.

I found it strangest that all sentient/sapient synthetic life forms were spontainiously(by accident) created, not 'formally' engineered in the MEU. Kind of a 'evolutionary slip' from organics there. imho

[Drewton]

Synthesis would convince me to stop following anything Mass Effect.

Modifié par Drewton, 21 août 2012 - 12:50 .

[Wayning_Star]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

Nah, thats the easy way out of organic responsibilites for the plight of the MEU. Organics made it, so they're responsible for it's actions.

[Wayning_Star]

Drewton wrote...

Synthesis would convince me to stop following anything Mass Effect.

http://en.wikipedia...._Bites_the_Dust

[Blue Face Beast]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

Viruses and diseases are responsible for billions of death and humans have no second thought fighting them with whatever science solution they can come up with. It is a matter of survival. You kill them before they kill you.
i am sure lot of people see the Reapers like that. I think it is a very valid point of view and it justifies the eradication of the threat by any mean necessary.

And i am sure Reapers are thinking just the same about organics because killing advanced organics is their job.

But now you get proposed the possibilitiy that the virus can be turned non-hostile and that the cycle of harvest/extinction would come to a stop, leaving organics and synthetics at peace with a newfound "mutual comprehension and acceptation".

I can see very well a Shepard or any other organic accepting such terms if it means the end of hostility and a new era of prosperity for the whole galaxy.

Really, i can understand why some people would vouch for Synthesis if it beneficial for everyone.

[zeypher]

I hate the synthesis option. Im all up for transhumanism, but it should be done on our own terms and also the moral issues that it presents have to be looked at. The sysnthesis endings not only is not on our own terms, but it sidesteps the entire debate about transhumanism completly and is nothing more than euthanizing the entire galaxy.

So if bioware wants to go with synthesis, then they should man up and actually consider the implications and the debate around it. You just cannot sidestep the issue. I chose the Sariff route in DE: HR because that game atleast tried to incorporate the moral debate about it and even then at the end it is on our own terms.

Synthesis is not something that can be forced but it is a choice of every individual who wishes to go that route.

Modifié par zeypher, 21 août 2012 - 01:06 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Why would they canonize synthesis, didn't it wipe out the need for conflict isn't it all rainbows and gummi drops?


Not to mention everyone is a slave of the catalyst overlord.

[Kamfrenchie]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

Nah, thats the easy way out of organic responsibilites for the plight of the MEU. Organics made it, so they're responsible for it's actions.

BS

he can think, he is responsible.
It's too easy t blame it on the creators

eople need to stop forgiving anything because they ere made that way".

Did the geth decide to kill everyone in the galaxy of their own ? The catalyst could have chosen not to

[Blue Face Beast]

zeypher wrote...

Synthesis is not something that can be forced but it is a choice of every individual who wishes to go that route.

Why?

[NasChoka]

Tommyspa wrote...

Why would I say no to the best ending?

I also think it's the best ending. Control is also okay for me. shep dies but at least he/she doesn't have to kill all geth+edi. 

The only reason I can think of why to chose destroy is because shep survives. Save 1 life (your own) and  kill all synthetics doesn't seem very heroic to me. It also does not solve the problem the catalyst explained. Eventually somebody (maybe a former cerberus scientist or a rogue quarian or batarian) creates an AI. It learns what happend to all other synthetics becomes very upset und kills everybody :innocent:

[Kamfrenchie]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

Viruses and diseases are responsible for billions of death and humans have no second thought fighting them with whatever science solution they can come up with. It is a matter of survival. You kill them before they kill you.
i am sure lot of people see the Reapers like that. I think it is a very valid point of view and it justifies the eradication of the threat by any mean necessary.

And i am sure Reapers are thinking just the same about organics because killing advanced organics is their job.

But now you get proposed the possibilitiy that the virus can be turned non-hostile and that the cycle of harvest/extinction would come to a stop, leaving organics and synthetics at peace with a newfound "mutual comprehension and acceptation".

I can see very well a Shepard or any other organic accepting such terms if it means the end of hostility and a new era of prosperity for the whole galaxy.

Really, i can understand why some people would vouch for Synthesis if it beneficial for everyone.

viruses aren't sentient, and they kill out of survival. Reapers are sentient (or mayb not accordin to the catalyst).  Reapers are kiling peple tht are no threat to them.
The virus aren't anywhere near sentient, they are not morally significant We already use hem as tools, as thy have useful properties.

Now reapers don't. We don't need any reaper alive, and thy are to much of a threat to be alloed t live. ot to mention they are horrible monster.
Kill them, reverse engeneer thei tech, done. That's the extent of their usefulness.
nd don' bring up "the knowledge of previous cyce", it's useless to us, except as a curiosity.

And again, using viruses to help people is not he same as forcing everyone t be linked with each other and with genocida machines.  I know i wouldn't want to be permanently conected with everyone through facebok, and many oher people woldn't like that. So no, synthesis doesn't bring the greater good. Conflict won't end without brainwashing anyway.

[Memnon]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Synthesis is not something that can be forced but it is a choice of every individual who wishes to go that route.

Why?

Great question - and one of the sillier lines provided by the Catalyst. Synthesis cannot be forced, but we are ready for it now ... ? Isn't Shepard jumping into the green beam forcing the rest of the galaxy into Synthesis? I know I sure as hell wouldn't want that. So, all it takes is ONE volunteer for Synthesis to work? How can the green beam differentiate between a willing and unwilling recipient?

[Blue Face Beast]

DinoSteve wrote...

Not to mention everyone is a slave of the catalyst overlord.

You don't know that for a fact. Where did you get that? Are you letting your personnal feelings getting in the way of your better judgment?
 

[Wayning_Star]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If the word on the street is true, that Bioware intends to build on synthesis 'canon' in the future, say no.

Or don't, that's fair. I however am firmly in the NO column. As much as I don't like Control, I could actually swallow that a little easier, but that's not saying much. 

Synthesis presented by Catalyst is BS, reasons:

1. Reapers destroyed last cycle symbiotic specie Zha´til by using them as mindless weapon.
If the Synthesis is realy final step of evolution than we will need to go thru symbiosis in order to find a way to evolve more, but Reapers killed those which walk in that way.

2. What Catalyst said isn´t fact, it´s just his assumption - he never saw synthesis working because he force it always when he has a chance.

3.Synthesis may occured, but it must be in natural way and not in forced by genocidal maniac.

oop's  who invented the reapers/catalyst? Who invented technology? Who is the genocidal maniac?
Machines?!?


(not me, I just play video games..lol)

The catalyst is the genocidal maniac and he has no excuse. People need to stop saying "they're not reponsible it's not their fault"

He is responsible for the death of trillions e is an abomination

Nah, thats the easy way out of organic responsibilites for the plight of the MEU. Organics made it, so they're responsible for it's actions.

BS

he can think, he is responsible.
It's too easy t blame it on the creators

eople need to stop forgiving anything because they ere made that way".

Did the geth decide to kill everyone in the galaxy of their own ? The catalyst could have chosen not to

No, the catalyst was installed by organics to control chaos, the spontainous creation of synthetic life. It came to the relization that organics 'done it to themselves' so it's logic came up with the cycle.

The Geth were programmed after their creators,eventhough, they were not actually created by them. The Geth need them to survive,as their core programming instilled in them sapience. It's why everyone really likes Tali, eventhough some call her an 'air head', she's still disarming. Quarians are more humane than they care to admit..lol

[Wayning_Star]

Stornskar wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Synthesis is not something that can be forced but it is a choice of every individual who wishes to go that route.

Why?

Great question - and one of the sillier lines provided by the Catalyst. Synthesis cannot be forced, but we are ready for it now ... ? Isn't Shepard jumping into the green beam forcing the rest of the galaxy into Synthesis? I know I sure as hell wouldn't want that. So, all it takes is ONE volunteer for Synthesis to work? How can the green beam differentiate between a willing and unwilling recipient?

Now, we can merely unplug our 'trusty' computers, there, in the MEU, they're all smart'n stuff, won't "LET" us unplug them..so we have to make changes in our core logic, or not play with stuff we cannot 'comprehend'.

(fat chance..lol)

[Memnon]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...


BS

he can think, he is responsible.
It's too easy t blame it on the creators

eople need to stop forgiving anything because they ere made that way".

Did the geth decide to kill everyone in the galaxy of their own ? The catalyst could have chosen not to

No, the catalyst was installed by organics to control chaos, the spontainous creation of synthetic life. It came to the relization that organics 'done it to themselves' so it's logic came up with the cycle.

The Geth were programmed after their creators,eventhough, they were not actually created by them. The Geth need them to survive,as their core programming instilled in them sapience. It's why everyone really likes Tali, eventhough some call her an 'air head', she's still disarming. Quarians are more humane than they care to admit..lol

I think Kamfrenchie's point re: the Geth (and the Zha'til for that matter) is that the Catalyst - via the Reapers - used the synthetics against the organics. If it was maintaining peace, and it's established that they can control and manipulate synthetics, just why not just prevent them from killing organics in the first place?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Blue Face Beast wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

Not to mention everyone is a slave of the catalyst overlord.

You don't know that for a fact. Where did you get that? Are you letting your personnal feelings getting in the way of your better judgment?
 

Its a logical conclusion, if you are made part reaper by the thing that controls the reapers its not that much of a leap to think that it now has control of everything.


Not to mention the by choosing synthesis Shepard enslaves everyone anyway by taking away there free will and right to choose.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 21 août 2012 - 01:28 .

[Memnon]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Blue Face Beast wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Synthesis is not something that can be forced but it is a choice of every individual who wishes to go that route.

Why?

Great question - and one of the sillier lines provided by the Catalyst. Synthesis cannot be forced, but we are ready for it now ... ? Isn't Shepard jumping into the green beam forcing the rest of the galaxy into Synthesis? I know I sure as hell wouldn't want that. So, all it takes is ONE volunteer for Synthesis to work? How can the green beam differentiate between a willing and unwilling recipient?

Now, we can merely unplug our 'trusty' computers, there, in the MEU, they're all smart'n stuff, won't "LET" us unplug them..so we have to make changes in our core logic, or not play with stuff we cannot 'comprehend'.

(fat chance..lol)

Huh? Could you repeat that in English please?

[Blue Face Beast]

Kamfrenchie wrote:
"And again, using viruses to help people is not he same as forcing everyone t be linked with each other and with genocida machines.  I know i wouldn't want to be permanently conected with everyone through facebok, and many oher people woldn't like that. So no, synthesis doesn't bring the greater good. Conflict won't end without brainwashing anyway."


You are assuming alot. Care to explain where you got for a fact that going for synthesis would connect everyone to a great universal facebook and that everyone would stop being who they are and suddenly turn into things that have no minds of their own?

Modifié par Blue Face Beast, 21 août 2012 - 01:27 .