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[Foolsfolly]

I have nothing against humans, some of my favorite people happen to be humans, but I do feel DA2 did itself a disservice by locking the protagonist as human.

And I get why BioWare did it. On one hand locking you into one 'origin' gives you a small cast of side characters they can keep throughout the game. That's a good goal. And it also kept the voice actor budget down since they didn't have to hire two British actors to do humans (from Ferelden at least), two American actors to be dwarves, and two Irish actors to do the elves.

I'm aware that ideas must be filtered through a budget.

I'm just going to put up one somewhat cliched video game premise that will allow the player to choose a race without exploding the voice actor budget AND without removing the voiced protagonist.

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...No origin.

You are a character of no defined past. Let's assume the game takes place in Orlais (because it likely does) and regardless of race the character has an Orlasien accent. This does mean you have to be a surface dwarf or a city elf... but you still get to pick a race.

Because your character has no past that also leaves the past up for the player to determine AND it makes older PC options viable (which hasn't been true for any BioWare game I've ever played in fact every origin in DA:O seemed tailor made for a character in their teens).

You just play a character that stumbles into the plot. One person with no determinable plot who rises to great importance. You could also tie the PC's past into the plot... but I'd recommend against that. The less you touch on where the PC came from the more the player can roleplay where they're from.

Simple, yes?

What do you guys think?

[DarthChicken]

I was thinking about this a few days back. If fans are willing to sacrifice any type of PC backstory in exchange for different races. Personally, I'll be playing as a human regardless but I'd love for racial options to be available for those who want them.
Since I can't see BioWare doing that, my ideal situation would be to have a couple human-only origins (a la human noble or human commoner) but that probably won't happen either.
Also I reeeealllly hope my PC doesn't have an annoying french accent (assuming we will have one). I'm not saying all french accents are annoying just most of the ones from Dragon Age are, IMO.

[Foolsfolly]

I'm willing to sacrifice origins for different races. I think it's simple and elegant to just start with your character arriving somewhere. Skyrim, for example, I've had three characters. Every character starts off imprisoned. I've had one falsely imprisoned character, one escaped slave, and one complete monster who's on the run from terrible butchery.

The game does nothing to encourage these back stories but neither does it say anything that disproves these back stories.

It's part of the fun of roleplaying and while I greatly enjoyed the origins in the first game (especially for dwarves) if their existence makes it too expensive to allow race selection... than cut origins.

[Corto81]

Judging by the leaks (protagonist likely an "inquisitor" and confirmed information (voiced protagonist), I think you'll only be able to play a Human in DA3.

Which is a shame, they're limiting customization in an RPG in this day and age -> weak.

[Foolsfolly]

Until it's officially quashed I'll remain hopeful for a race selection. True we've never seen a non-human Templar before... but you'd think that the Templars would welcome dwarves at least. They have a natural immunity to magic and are quite martial despite their size. And they have castes that while the casteless brands complain none of the lesser castes (nug wranglers and the like) seem to complain that much. So strictly ordered chain of commands do not upset them.

And someone posted a behind the scenes feature for the Dawn of the Seeker dvd (haven't seen the movie but I did watch the 15 minute YouTube video) which had one of the devs talk how Seekers are chosen among the templar ranks or for special cases outside of the templars. With the templar order in revolt from the Chantry perhaps this would allow the hiring of a Seeker from outside the human gene pool?

I may be grasping at straws but dammit it's a mistake to just have human-only protagonists.

[coldsteelblue]

I would love to have a different raced protagonist, but I'm pretty sure they will be going with a fully voiced Human *screaming angrily*.
And that pisses me off, Human's are the most boring race in any fantasy as they HAVE to be the hero's.
I prefer the choice of race because it really allows you to get into the culture of the Dragon Age saga, I felt with in Origins, I could really explore the emotional range of my character because they were silent.
Unfortunately, a fully voiced Human is the way it will be because it's more commercial, Origins, despite selling millions of copies only hit the fantasy rpg crowd, however DA2, although it lost a portion of the Origins fans (reading multiple forums) the fans from other genre's, let's say the same number, came to the franchise & so marketing said, 'hey it's more comercial, let's keep it so.'
& so to close, I would prefer a silent multi-raced protagonist, so many succesful fantasy games do it, but I would settle for an accentless, backgroundless, voiced protagonist that wasn't Human.
Commercialism sucks arse!

[Dutchess]

I'm still hoping very much that they will include race selection, but so far I've only heard Bioware complain how hard it is to allow that level of character customization, and how expensive, and hurrdurr.... So I fear I will be stuck with a human again in the next game. But who knows? Maybe Bioware suprises us.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Since we will be Inquisitors, its highly unlikely we will be anything but human. I am not too happy about this, but neither i am much disappointed. It was ... expected.

[da_showstoppa]

I would probably suggest a choice of simple vague backstories like it does in ME when creating your character. No offense to Nicholas Boutlon (male hawke) but I didn't enjoy the english accent voice over in comparison to the Shepard american voice over in Mass Effect.

Furthermore I would personally choose humans everytime. Race choice for the main character might not be pointless but I think it would time and effort spent on an aspect which I would rather have spent on other more significant issues such as in depth character interactions and story options which i felt DA2 was a bit dissapointing in this area in comparison to DAO...

[Sejborg]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Since we will be Inquisitors, its highly unlikely we will be anything but human. I am not too happy about this, but neither i am much disappointed. It was ... expected.

Why? I didn't know there was race restriction on inquisitors. I don't think that's correct.

I think there will be race options and origins. From what have been leaked of the story it could be implemented like this. Start out with an origin, and then at one point, everything blows up and you'll be recruited as an inquisitor.

[zyntifox]

I generally never play as a human in fantasy RPGs. I think DA:O is the only one i have played as a human, not counting DA2. But that wasn't because humans was all of the sudden more interesting in the DA setting than any other fantasy RPG, because they are not, but rather that i wanted to experience the human noble origin.

[Foolsfolly]

Cstaf wrote...

I generally never play as a human in fantasy RPGs. I think DA:O is the only one i have played as a human, not counting DA2. But that wasn't because humans was all of the sudden more interesting in the DA setting than any other fantasy RPG, because they are not, but rather that i wanted to experience the human noble origin.

First time I went human noble in Origins was so I could marry Anora and become king... only to change my mind and place Alistair on the throne because Anora wanted me to be 'prince-consort' instead of king. So... now you're not even queen, ****!

[1Nosphorus1]

From what little we know of Orlais, they have city elves with a particular accent, these elves are also hired as house servants.

Dwarves on the other hand are rare in Orlais, Leliana remarks this about Tug with him not remarking on why he left his "home".

Chances of being an inquisitor from another race? Slim.

[JasonPogo]

Well seing as most of my playthroughs on Origins were Dwarves I am all for this. But as of late bioware has proven that they like to do things as generic as posible now. The best we can hope for is that we get as much choice as we did with Sheperd so not much at all.

[Jerrybnsn]

It seems like a big trade of to me. On one hand, giving you more options in character customization by choosing race goes along ways to making you feel like the character belongs to you. But on the other hand, having no origin story, like Hawke in DA2, doesn't help in making a connection with your character from the beginning.

Since the VO is the catalyst here, it would be better to follow the Origins style of a silent protagonist so you can have your cake and eat it too.

[andar91]

But we know it isn't going to be silent. I think race selection would be nice too, but I'm not expecting it. Bioware just doesn't want to sacrifice the customization options and benefits of voiced characters to add something that, statistically, doesn't make sense-most players chose human in Origins despite the choice.

[Fast Jimmy]

I think they are going to give us race selection.

You'll create your character... and the only choice will be a human race. There you go!

[WardenKing]

Having the ability to choose a race in DA3 would be awesome! However I doubt it will be possible, especially if you`ll be the "inquisitor", then you will probably be human...well it depends to be seen. None the less what I think bioware should do is rather have three origins, where its split up like this:

Human - A "commoner/noble" in Orlais who is dragged into the chaos (Could be mage or templar).
Dwarf - A dwarf from the closed city Kal-Sharok who is forced out of his/her home when something happens...
Elf - An Orlesian elf living in Val Royeaux alianage (which host 10 000 elves in an area just as small as Denerim`s market district), who works for a noble, thus being dragged into chaos.

Plus have these as voiced characters, perhaps one male and one female voice? Or no voice at all, depends what is "cheapest".

Just some of my random thoughts. xD

Modifié par Captain Eldarion, 21 août 2012 - 01:09 .

[mousestalker]

It would be very nice to play as a dwarf or an elf. It would also be nice to play as a kossith or a fex.

[labargegrrrl]

i still grieve the fact that they took away my race selection in DA2. without very good excuses for doing as much. no, VA was NOT a good excuse, i don't care what people say. hire more stinking voice actors. framed narrative? also not a good excuse, they could have framed it up around any race, the way Varic and Cass were so ambiguous about "the Champion" in their dialogue.

that being said, i doubt they'll bring our race options back because...well, i don't actually have any reason to think they will or won't, and if that's the case, i'll assume other people are as lazy as i am about their jobs and will make work as easy on themselves as they possibly can. hence, we're all stuck playing humans and only wishing we were our companions instead.

it still makes me mad as anything. i can be a plain, old, boring, vanilla human at home in real life.

[Fiery Knight]

This is the way I see it:

1) No race option

Either you get to choose then your background story, or BW chooses for you automatically (aka DA2 style) but needs to be very well executed and have some sort of connection to the plot. And no, not some mere side missions.

2) Race options.

Give us race options with a decent background. Of course I'd want something unique, but if you can't deliver that, I'm OK with it. Just as long as I get to enjoy playing as an Elf again, I'm all good.

[Sejborg]

labargegrrrl wrote...

i still grieve the fact that they took away my race selection in DA2. without very good excuses for doing as much. no, VA was NOT a good excuse, i don't care what people say. hire more stinking voice actors. framed narrative? also not a good excuse, they could have framed it up around any race, the way Varic and Cass were so ambiguous about "the Champion" in their dialogue.

Another bad excuse is that they came up with this rigid rule that different races should have their own exclusive accent. Humans = english
Dwarfs = american
Elves = welsh (?)

I don't see the reason for that rule. If anything the accent should depend on region alone. Not race. 

[Androme]

Origins could only work in DA:O. In DA2 and most probably DA3 (with all the leaked info) we'll have / we had a more defined background, thus the origins system from DA:O will probably NOT return in DA3 aswell. I don't really care as long as it's done well

[wetnasty]

Androme wrote...

I don't really care as long as it's done well