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[Huntress]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

From what little we know of Orlais, they have city elves with a particular accent, these elves are also hired as house servants.

Dwarves on the other hand are rare in Orlais, Leliana remarks this about Tug with him not remarking on why he left his "home".

Chances of being an inquisitor from another race? Slim.

Exactly Orlais is a Human City, Elves are servants or slaves and never ever have any other roll, Orlais has very few dwarves.

Having a Surfice dwarf as an inquisitor is not only going to be very rare is almost none existent.
City elf as an inquisitor.. really? is going to be as difficult to find as finding Elven Qunari Assassin!

Even then they are seen as second-class-race! Even thoes among the qunari are seen as second to last... The elves in DA have a very difficult time getting their heads UP, ask the warden commander in Amaranthine.

Now my favorite a mage-Elf/human as inquisitor.. you know... I cant come up with anything, is totally stupid to even think of it, what did the inquisitor fought against before joining the chantry? what have they become? How do templars call any mage that are not part of a circle of magi?

Mages are seen as a threat not as defenders,  so i'll love to hear from Bioware about that.. can I play as a mage in DA3?:innocent:

Anyway for me I would love to play a dalish elf!  playing  one in origen was very nice and she totally understood the mages.

Modifié par Huntress, 21 août 2012 - 02:28 .

[King Cousland]

Huntress wrote...

Exactly Orlais is a Human City, Elves are servants or slaves and never ever have any other roll, Orlais has very few dwarves.

Having a Surfice dwarf as an inquisitor is not only going to be very rare is almost none existent.
City elf as an inquisitor.. really? is going to be as difficult to find as finding Elven Qunari Assassin!

  

[Huntress]

King Cousland wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Exactly Orlais is a Human City, Elves are servants or slaves and never ever have any other roll, Orlais has very few dwarves.

Having a Surfice dwarf as an inquisitor is not only going to be very rare is almost none existent.
City elf as an inquisitor.. really? is going to be as difficult to find as finding Elven Qunari Assassin!

  

I hope you are not trying to say .. finding about tallis was easy... Because you are wrong, people like tallis are only known if they want others to know... other than that they'll pass as commun elves and  none the wiser.

Modifié par Huntress, 21 août 2012 - 02:53 .

[Cutlass Jack]

The frequency of a given race in Orlais doesn't really have anything directly to do with the possibility of one heading up a completely new organization. All you need is one. And I can say with absolute certainty you'll have non humans on your team regardless of Orlesian racial frequency.

So not really seeing the issue with limiting racial choice. I don't think it requires a full origin for each race though. I'd prefer it a little vague on backstory to be honest.

If anything it will benefit the game greatly even if most player stick with human. If they do the work to have all races playable, that means NPCs can use those same assets. Which in turn means we can lose those badly done 'filler elves' and stop having all dwarves wearing exactly the same clothing like in DA2.

[mitthrawuodo]

I am hoping for at least different races that fit one background and accent or one race with one accent but a choice of backgrounds in DA3

[Potato Cat]

Sejborg wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

i still grieve the fact that they took away my race selection in DA2. without very good excuses for doing as much. no, VA was NOT a good excuse, i don't care what people say. hire more stinking voice actors. framed narrative? also not a good excuse, they could have framed it up around any race, the way Varic and Cass were so ambiguous about "the Champion" in their dialogue.

Another bad excuse is that they came up with this rigid rule that different races should have their own exclusive accent. Humans = english
Dwarfs = american
Elves = welsh (?)

I don't see the reason for that rule. If anything the accent should depend on region alone. Not race. 

Actually, humans have English, (some of them are quite bad though), AND Scottish accents, (Seb). But Elves have a much, much wider range of accents, (one of the many reasons I love them). Merrill did indeed have a Welsh accent, but the rest of the her clan had Irish accents. Also, City Elves have American accents.

But there are other parts of Thedas have accents that span all races it seems, including the French Orlesian accent. And I suppose for the variety of accents could be because of various reasons.

So if we do have an Orlesian character with an Orlesian accent, the PC could theoretically be any race and still share the same two VAs. But somehow I don't see them doing this.

At the end of the day, all I want to be is an elf. Please do it Bioware. I'd love you forever!

[Vox Draco]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

It seems like a big trade of to me. On one hand, giving you more options in character customization by choosing race goes along ways to making you feel like the character belongs to you. But on the other hand, having no origin story, like Hawke in DA2, doesn't help in making a connection with your character from the beginning.

Since the VO is the catalyst here, it would be better to follow the Origins style of a silent protagonist so you can have your cake and eat it too.

Hey hey hey, no such words like THIS in a thread  about DA3. There are NO catalysts and translucent childs here!

On topic: I personally never play anything besides boring humans anyway, so no big deal for me if they leave dwarfs and elves out, but of course I can understand that some people might want them. But I think the time of mainchars without a voiceover are done, especially with Bioware. And having a human/elf/dwarf all having the same voice? I can hear it with humans/welves maybe. but dwarves?

Also I think Hawke HAD an origin story.  had a whole family rag-tagging with her

[Potato Cat]

Why not have an Elder Scrolls type character? Not necessarily starting as a Prisoner, but as faceless Inquisitor whose origin story could be established and developed in dialogue options with companions.

[KingoftheZempk]

If we're looking at actors, can't Bioware just hire someone that can do multiple accents? I know people that can pull off multiple accents near flawlessly. But if it's in Orlais, why not have multiple race options?

If we're set as one race, wouldn't it be possible for us to make a mod that allows us to be different races?

[coldsteelblue]

Here's a stupid idea that I expect will be ignored:
A large portion of the fans of ME3 demanded more to the ending & eventually got it, so why not start a campaign to have a multi-raced protagonist?

[PinkDiamondstl]

Bioware knows what they are doing DA2 is't about elves and what-not it's a human story

[WardenWade]

I'd like to think that what we know of DA3 could certainly lend itself to a multi-race protagonist. IMO there is no reason this conflict must be human only.

At the least, city elves/servants and surface dwarves in Orlais would be exposed to the Chantry and the mage-templar conflict...in Val Royeaux it seems to me it would be almost unavoidable. Kal Sharok may be under Orlais, and there are dwarves like Tug who choose to live among humans.  City elves are largely considered Andrastian and so would have a stake in the war like any human, and I wouldn't be surprised if surface dwarves began to convert after a time as well, a la Brother Burkel. I almost had the impression in DA2 at times that Varric was an Andrastian... Likewise, the kossith Qunari could, IMO, easily have a part to play in the conflict based on their stringent beliefs on magic. It seems to me that this conflict involves all of Thedas' people in some way; any race would hardly be ignorant of what was going on IMO.

I'm hoping for playable races to return, along with a consistent and cogent story

Modifié par WardenWade, 22 août 2012 - 11:58 .

[nightscrawl]

DarthChicken wrote...

I was thinking about this a few days back. If fans are willing to sacrifice any type of PC backstory in exchange for different races.

I'd think that the big RP fans on here would be highly in favor of this since it gives your character a totally blank slate. Some mention their RP experiences with DAO, but you still have a pre-defined past in that game. I suppose the "loosest" character origin in DAO is the mage, since you would have been brought to the tower at a young age. You can therefore make up anything you wish about your PC's origins, parents, etc.

[coldsteelblue]

At the very least I think they should let us choose our faction, either Inquisitor or Mage. Otherwise we're beoing told what side of a war we should fight in & I'm all for mage freedom & that in turn could help define a race. Because dwarves can't be mages, have the inquisitor Human or Dwarf & the Mage Human or Elf, just an idea.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The frequency of a given race in Orlais doesn't really have anything directly to do with the possibility of one heading up a completely new organization. All you need is one. And I can say with absolute certainty you'll have non humans on your team regardless of Orlesian racial frequency.

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Except for the fact that it doesn't make any blasted sense. Why would my dwarf work under an arm of the Chantry in Orlais? I don't want to be forced along into roleplaying according BioWare's rigid rules because the plot demands it, and because somebody at BioWare thought it'd be cool to be known as "The Inquisitor." In fact, I think that being forced to play 'The Inquisitor' as a human character is a decidedly bad idea.

Mr. Gaider, if you want to create your own personal adventure and insert your desired character type (you?) as the plot's predefined hero, you're free to do so, but please leave the RPG genre unmolested as this would be a tale best suited for other genres (or none).

[Foolsfolly]

andar91 wrote...

But we know it isn't going to be silent. I think race selection would be nice too, but I'm not expecting it. Bioware just doesn't want to sacrifice the customization options and benefits of voiced characters to add something that, statistically, doesn't make sense-most players chose human in Origins despite the choice.

Did they? That's a shame the Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Commoner origins were clearly superior... with City Elf and Human Noble following closely behind them in that order. Nothing against the Couslands but they were exactly the standard fantasy origin right down to fighting rats (beautifully lampshaded mind you) and losing your home.

In fact it's so standard it's very similar to Hawke's origin (noble who loses their home).

[Foolsfolly]

KingoftheZempk wrote...

If we're looking at actors, can't Bioware just hire someone that can do multiple accents? I know people that can pull off multiple accents near flawlessly. But if it's in Orlais, why not have multiple race options?

If we're set as one race, wouldn't it be possible for us to make a mod that allows us to be different races?

It's likely not just having actors but also disk space. If BioWare's to be believed (and why not?) disk space was why in Mass Effect 3 you can't put your weapons down in-mission like you could in ME1 and ME2. So there's a finite room of space on a disk and all the dialogue a PC has already has to exist twice for male and female doubling that by adding one other race is a waste of space.

A simple hand-wave that a region has the same accent really fixes things. And Origins, Skyrim, Morrowind, just about any RPG with multiple races your race gets called out... but rarely. Like once every 10 missions you'll get an entirely unique to this race line even if it's just a 'damned knife-ear' line added at the end of a universal bit of dialogue.

Much more efficient use of disk space.

WardenWade wrote...

I'd like to think that what we know of
DA3 could certainly lend itself to a multi-race protagonist. IMO there
is no reason this conflict must be human only.

At the least,
city elves/servants and surface dwarves in Orlais would be exposed to
the Chantry and the mage-templar conflict...in Val Royeaux it seems to
me it would be almost unavoidable. Kal Sharok may be under Orlais, and
there are dwarves like Tug who choose to live among humans.  City elves
are largely considered Andrastian and so would have a stake in the war
like any human, and I wouldn't be surprised if surface dwarves began to
convert after a time as well, a la Brother Burkel. I almost had the
impression in DA2 at times that Varric was an Andrastian... Likewise,
the kossith Qunari could, IMO, easily have a part to play in the
conflict based on their stringent beliefs on magic. It seems to me that
this conflict involves all of Thedas' people in some way; any race would
hardly be ignorant of what was going on IMO.

I'm hoping for playable races to return, along with a consistent and cogent story

I'm pretty sure Varric is Andrastian. I think he says "Andraste's ass" at least once somewhere in the game. And I've never heard him mention the Stone. Because he refuses to take place with the merchant's guild, doesn't care one bit about Orzammar, and refuses to keep a beard I get that Varric doesn't like dwarven tradition. Being an Andrastian keeps to that untraditional mindset.

Also, of course, I agree with you. Why can't surface dwarves, city elves, and Orlasian humans have the same accent? Strip out the origin and all three races make sense. Add some flavor dialogue based on race and you got a stew going.

coldsteelblue wrote...

At the very least I think they
should let us choose our faction, either Inquisitor or Mage. Otherwise
we're beoing told what side of a war we should fight in & I'm all
for mage freedom & that in turn could help define a race. Because
dwarves can't be mages, have the inquisitor Human or Dwarf & the
Mage Human or Elf, just an idea.

What little I can gather from this stuff... the Divine apparently covered up some mage thingy. It's in a book I think. I binged on the Dragon Age wiki about a week ago. Doing so pissed off the Templars which is why they've rebelled against the Chantry (I like this because I couldn't explain away Varric's comment about the Templars going rogue in DA2. I just didn't see why they would).

So the Divine (thus the Chantry) isn't anti-Mage. She wants peace between the fractions and will likely support either side fully winning or a completely new structure (not because the Divine's a good person or anything but to give the player any degree of agency this may become a personality trait of the Divine, any ending is good as long as the war ends).

Therefore they're not forcing you to be pro-templar or anti-mage. The only thing forced on you is that you're an Andrastian... likely. The Divine may be pragmatic enough and given a few token lines like "I don't care what you believe, you're the only one that can get this job done."

The cool thing here is that a new order is founded; The Inquistion (not to be confused by the order that eventually became the Templars) and you're the head of that network of spies and detectives.

Done right it'll be fantastic. Just because it's founded by the Divine doesn't mean we HAVE to be a Templar supporter. Right now the Templars and the Chantry are two very different factions.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 23 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[zyntifox]

From a business perspective they really should include as many races, origins and whatnot as possible in the game. By having this they create replayability, for example i've played about 10 playthroughs of DA:O, and this gives Biwoare more time to make DLC that will have access to a bigger market. If the replayability of a game is low, as in my opinion DA2 is, people are less likely to pick up the game 6-8 months after the purchase of the original game to play a DLC.

And i remember reading a article interviewing a EA boss that said the ROI of DLC tends to be higher than the game itself. Will the cost of producing a game with these properties cost more? Probably, but if they have faith in the quality of their product this will be offset by increased DLC sales.

[Jerrybnsn]

coldsteelblue wrote...

Here's a stupid idea that I expect will be ignored:
A large portion of the fans of ME3 demanded more to the ending & eventually got it, so why not start a campaign to have a multi-raced protagonist?

You could only get a campaign going if people knew for certain that races wouldn't be an option. So far, nothing has been said about that yet.  Plus you would need multiple fans to make the movement have an effect.  But a lot those Dragon Age fans dropped the series after DA2's release.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 23 août 2012 - 11:20 .

[Foolsfolly]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

coldsteelblue wrote...

Here's a stupid idea that I expect will be ignored:
A large portion of the fans of ME3 demanded more to the ending & eventually got it, so why not start a campaign to have a multi-raced protagonist?

You could only get a campaign going if people knew for certain that races wouldn't be an option. So far, nothing has been said about that yet.  Plus you would need multiple fans to make the movement have an effect.  But a lot those Dragon Age fans dropped the series after DA2's release.

Supposedly they dropped.

There's a lot of DA2 I didn't like. I liked some of it. I liked the companions, friend/rivalry system, personalities, new qunari look, the qunari story in general, the combat in Legacy, the art style looked nice enough but the game lacks polish. This is very apparent when you compare a lot of vanilla DA2 to saw Mark of the Assassin. The style's the same but given better detail.

But despite all the things wrong, rushed, incomplete, and buggy to all hell that DA2 suffered... and despite the huge letdown of Mass Effect 3's ending (my favorite BioWare series and those endings cut like a knife to the heart) I'll be willing to give BioWare money for Dragon Age 3.

I won't preorder. I'll likely not get it opening day. Those days are gone. But it's a game I look forward to hearing more about. And if reviews are raving I'll get it either that month or wait until it hits the half-price mark.

I don't want to abandon BioWare. They're one of the few developers that care about character and story. They've given me years and hours of enjoyment ever since I saw a rave review for KOTOR and thought, "Really? A Star Wars game worth half a fart?" and bought it.

All DA2 and ME3 did was make me weary. I bet many are like that. They might not get huge pre-orders or people scrambling for special collector editions of the game. But if word of mouth says the game's good I'm willing to bet there's a bunch of people who will make their way back to Thedas.

It's just all on BioWare at this point. They went from a lot of praise for Mass Effect, Origins, and Mass Effect 2 to a whole lot of negativity surrounding Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3. Their rep has taken quite the thrashing. They need to change that story.

[Jerrybnsn]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

coldsteelblue wrote...

A large portion of the fans of ME3 demanded more to the ending & eventually got it, so why not start a campaign to have a multi-raced protagonist?

You could only get a campaign going if people knew for certain that races wouldn't be an option. So far, nothing has been said about that yet.  Plus you would need multiple fans to make the movement have an effect.  But a lot those Dragon Age fans dropped the series after DA2's release.

All DA2 and ME3 did was make me weary. I bet many are like that. They might not get huge pre-orders or people scrambling for special collector editions of the game. But if word of mouth says the game's good I'm willing to bet there's a bunch of people who will make their way back to Thedas.

Which would be too late if there was to be a movement of fans to try and get Bioware to include race options for DAIII.  At some point in the near future (within six months...maybe) we should hear about any race options; yea or nay.  But we will be a very small, small, miniscuel minority that will hear about it.  Not enough for any type of movement.

And I'm not sending cupcakes to Vancouver.

[Foolsfolly]

You misunderstand me.

I don't support a movement/petition/other-uselessness for multiple races even though I started this thread. It's mostly me screaming at BioWare "Please I want to be a dwarf again!" If they pull another Hawke with a set origin and race... it'll disappoint me but not so much that I'd scream I'll never buy Dragon Age 3.

I'm cautious as hell right now for Dragon Age 3. Cautious but really hoping for the best. If anything I'm just voicing my opinion while DA3 is still early enough that maybe opinions are being considered. Multiple races are nice and just because you have a voiced protagonist doesn't mean you can't have multiple races. And the fact that the protagonist in DA3 might be known by a title like the Warden really makes me hope.

[Jerrybnsn]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You misunderstand me.

 If they pull another Hawke with a set origin and race... it'll disappoint me but not so much that I'd scream I'll never buy Dragon Age 3.

For me, no race options is a deal breaker.  No sale.

 

Multiple races are nice and just because you have a voiced protagonist doesn't mean you can't have multiple races. And the fact that the protagonist in DA3 might be known by a title like the Warden really makes me hope.

The same actor did the voices of Jarl Eamon and the noble dwarfs second (he was the dwarf in Denerim selling weapons and armor).  That same actor is also playing a dwarf in the upcoming The Hobbit movie.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 23 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[Foolsfolly]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

You misunderstand me.

 If they pull another Hawke with a set origin and race... it'll disappoint me but not so much that I'd scream I'll never buy Dragon Age 3.

For me, no race options is a deal breaker.  No sale.

 

Multiple races are nice and just because you have a voiced protagonist doesn't mean you can't have multiple races. And the fact that the protagonist in DA3 might be known by a title like the Warden really makes me hope.

The same actor did the voices of Jarl Eamon and the noble dwarfs second (he was the dwarf in Denerim selling weapons and armor).  That same actor is also playing a dwarf in the upcoming The Hobbit movie.

That can't be right. The second for the noble was Steve Blum. He's a favorite voice actor of mine almost entirely because he was Spike in Cowboy Bebop. He's also Oghren and Grunt in ME2. And he was the First Enchanter in Origins...

...but there's no way he was Eamon. And he doesn't appear to be in The Hobbit. Maybe whoever did voice Eamon is in the Hobbit. I have no idea who voiced Eamon.