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[himegoto]

Ziegrif wrote...

I have decided to disagree with everything written in this thread due to Skillz > all.
On a technical standpoint though well some charachters have more tools at their disposal but it's the player who has to utilize those tools.
Marking the tools on tiers... eh everything has a use.Everything's equal to me just my opinion :/

Course yer all entitled to voice your disagreements and own opinions on my opinion o.o

Skills > classes played I agree.
But this is a rank (attempt) from the tools the classes have

[Joush]

AA is badly hurt with the doge rates as they are. The need to hit with two doge-able attacks means your DPS is only reliable on bosses.

No idea what pushes the human solider into S class. They aren't very good with weapons for a class that relies on them and have powers that pretty much define mediocrity.

[dzero]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

N7 Slayer is definitely not deserving of a D.

A at very worst.

Forgive me, I haven't played the Slayer, but I believe Phase Disruptor is useless? And Charge is Charge so... what is really useful about the Slayer other than spamming slash? 

[dzero]

Joush wrote...

No idea what pushes the human solider into S class. They aren't very good with weapons for a class that relies on them and have powers that pretty much define mediocrity.

Adrenaline Rush + Claymore + reload cancel makes human soldier one of the most powerful classes in the game. Boss slayer.

[Ziegrif]

dzero wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

I have decided to disagree with everything written in this thread due to Skillz > all.
On a technical standpoint though well some charachters have more tools at their disposal but it's the player who has to utilize those tools.
Marking the tools on tiers... eh everything has a use.Everything's equal to me just my opinion :/

Course yer all entitled to voice your disagreements and own opinions on my opinion o.o

Fair enough, though I would argue that a highly skilled player after playing every class to its maximum potential would still be able to form some sort of tier ranking.

That's a fair point aswell. But there are variables. Some people are better with Krogans than let's say Asari. So a tier list made by a skilled player would have to mean that the player is as skilled with every class and does not excel in one above the others and this is impossible due to there being prefrences in gameplay between people.

So they could go to the plausible maximum and still go beyond said maximum on other classes and fall short on something else. For example I'd rate The Krogan soldier SSS because I can demolish entire games with it.

There's also loadouts and builds to take account to. There are just too many personal variables and differences in the classes to make them into a tier list. Special snowflake situation and all that jazz.

A robot is the only thing that could actually build a tier list due to it's objectivity. So a tier list is only a personal prefrence list or a forum consensus list. But it's never accurate.

dzero wrote...

Forgive me, I haven't played the Slayer, but I believe Phase Disruptor is useless? And Charge is Charge so... what is really useful about the Slayer other than spamming slash?

Falcon + disruptor ammo + Slayer Phase = max 3-4 Tech bursts in a row. See my point with prefrences?

Modifié par Ziegrif, 21 août 2012 - 11:26 .

[DHKany]

I'd say A for slayer.
Phase Distruptor is invaluable against phantoms.
Not to metion it is one of the best spam powers in the game IMO.

[himegoto]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

QMI and Demolisher can rank up there with the GI with the SI and Destroyer being very very close to that. Paladin and Fury should both be at least an SS rank with ease. Asari Justicar, Batarian Soldier, Drell Adept, Human Engineer, Geth Engineer, and Female Quarian should all easily be S rank with some having the potential for SS (Asari Justicar or Drell Adept with either a Fury or anything with Warp around are amazing). Human Adept, Asari Vanguard, Human Vanguard, and Asari Adept should all be up at least to A rank.

Those are just my opinions and I am not listing everything nor will I bother giving reasoning behind it (I have in the past only to have people argue worthless reasons why they can't make the character as good as another). Everyone's opinion on a character can differ and some people will just be better with some characters and average at best with others.

I for one am not the greatest with any Krogan (never took the time to get the hang of the Vanguard, don't like how bulky he is), Turian Soldier (his lack of mobility and no stagger immunity keeps me from using him enough), the Drell Vanguard (just not my character), and the Slayer. That is not to say any of them are bad by any means, I am just personally not at my best with any of them while I am sure plenty of the very good members of this forum are amazing with them.

tl;dr: A tier list is fairly pointless, 3/4's of the characters potential relies on the user.

GI, QMI and Demolisher are the top 3 for me also. Placing GI in an individual tier.. It's still the GI.
We all have different opinions and I respect that. That's why I kept the thread as simple as possible.

[Teratoid]

dzero wrote...


Forgive me, I haven't played the Slayer, but I believe Phase Disruptor is useless? And Charge is Charge so... what is really useful about the Slayer other than spamming slash? 

<_<

Wait till you've tried it, then judge.

Know how awesome Nova is on Silver/Bronze? Well, PD is like Nova that can be cast at range. Which makes it awesome on Gold without you having to dive into a mob of Geth Hunters.

[Olivia Wilde]

 Nice to see the FQE is still "mediocre"

and is probably my best overall class

and well there is that other thing    

[dzero]

Ziegrif wrote...

A robot is the only thing that could actually build a tier list due to it's objectivity. So a tier list is only a personal prefrence list or a forum consensus list. But it's never accurate.

I think that's what I should have written in my post really, it's the idea I was getting at.

Incidentally/ironically, I am posting so much because I am procrastinating from studying philosophy. Hmm. 

[himegoto]

Ziegrif wrote...

Falcon + disruptor ammo + Slayer Phase = max 3-4 Tech bursts in a row. See my point with prefrences?

I actually run that same exact setup....
I made this post about the slayers just earlier...

Yes,
both builds I had with him have 6 ranks into PD (shield evos). The 2
builds were nearly identical, both with 3 in slash, 5 in passives, and
everything else. Only difference was melee bonus to health honus.

From
the first day of the Earth DLC I took rank 5 shield recharge and snap
on a multicapacitor V on him. I used primarily a Falcon or a Harriar on
him, with disruptor ammo.

Relatively speaking from my own rational standpoint, I didnt move him up because I dont find him on par with those I considered B or C tiers. But all in all, that tier list is just my personal opinion.

[jrod512ATX]

GI is still hot stuff? I would have bet some of the N7s dethroned him...

[Vakarian14]

The Geth Engineer is amazing on Platinum. The Healing Turret makes almost all the objectives easy, notably pizza delivery and escort. That alone should bump up the GE to a S rank.

[OneTrueShot]

Krogan Sentinel is easily A, pushing S.

Krogan Vanguard is easily SS pushing SSS.

[LaVidaEsUnCarnaval]

One use of the phase disruptor is to soften up groups of enemies from a distance and then charge to recharge your shields, specially if you spec your biotic charge for radius of effect. If you spec the phase disruptor for extra armor damage it's useful against bosses.

I don't know if the ranking is intended for gold, but this strategy works on silver. I think the N7 slayer should be at most a step below the N7 Shadow.

[SlimJim0725]

himegoto wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...

QMI and Demolisher can rank up there with the GI with the SI and Destroyer being very very close to that. Paladin and Fury should both be at least an SS rank with ease. Asari Justicar, Batarian Soldier, Drell Adept, Human Engineer, Geth Engineer, and Female Quarian should all easily be S rank with some having the potential for SS (Asari Justicar or Drell Adept with either a Fury or anything with Warp around are amazing). Human Adept, Asari Vanguard, Human Vanguard, and Asari Adept should all be up at least to A rank.

Those are just my opinions and I am not listing everything nor will I bother giving reasoning behind it (I have in the past only to have people argue worthless reasons why they can't make the character as good as another). Everyone's opinion on a character can differ and some people will just be better with some characters and average at best with others.

I for one am not the greatest with any Krogan (never took the time to get the hang of the Vanguard, don't like how bulky he is), Turian Soldier (his lack of mobility and no stagger immunity keeps me from using him enough), the Drell Vanguard (just not my character), and the Slayer. That is not to say any of them are bad by any means, I am just personally not at my best with any of them while I am sure plenty of the very good members of this forum are amazing with them.

tl;dr: A tier list is fairly pointless, 3/4's of the characters potential relies on the user.

GI, QMI and Demolisher are the top 3 for me also. Placing GI in an individual tier.. It's still the GI.
We all have different opinions and I respect that. That's why I kept the thread as simple as possible.

As I said, I will rate them both the same as a GI for myself because I feel I can play them to their full potential rather well. Honestly a list like this is just going to turn bad and I am going to avoid discussing things any further so I don't get into another worthless debate where someone will just ignore any point I make because they disagree with it.

edit: Not saying you are at all, I have just had it in a couple other topics and it is getting to be a major waste of time.

Modifié par Slimjim0725, 21 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[Yaevinn]

Just replace "good" with "egalitarian". The most godly class is the one everybody will excell with. The one exploited at speedruns. On the other hand, it takes both skill and nerve to shine with Drell or Human Adept.

[Jelena Jankovic]

Yaevinn wrote...

Just replace "good" with "egalitarian". The most godly class is the one everybody will excell with. The one exploited at speedruns. On the other hand, it takes both skill and nerve to shine with Drell or Human Adept.

I suck with the Geth Infiltrator (not "godly" then?).

Of course to be fair it was also the last character I unlocked.

[NOME]

Vorcha sentinel/ soldier should be godly as well.

Especially in platinum, you have too much armor to burn. Plus, he can eat banshee's warp and ravager's acid.

I actually think he has the best dodge ever.

He is good against all fractions and very very useful on platinum.

[SlimJim0725]

Yaevinn wrote...

Just replace "good" with "egalitarian". The most godly class is the one everybody will excell with. The one exploited at speedruns. On the other hand, it takes both skill and nerve to shine with Drell or Human Adept.

Speak on things you actually know something about. There were all biotic speed runs before any other speed runs were around IIRC (PC players did it). It is just as easy to do a biotic speed run, it is just not quite as fast (at least on Platinum) due to needing to group up to bring down bosses quickly. Banshee and Phantom power blocking as well as some enemies dodging the power(s) slow times up simple as that.

Same could be said for characters that players farm or even just camp with, it just comes down to the player as I said before. By the way, the Drell Adept is one of if not the easiest Adept to use as long as you know how to not die.

Edit: And this is why I was trying to avoid discussing, comments like this are based off of pure ignorance and it is rather annoying. Biotics were the "OP" thing long before shotgun infiltrator ever was. Buff biotics a bit by making them hit their target more often and limiting when enemies such as a Phantom or Banshee can deny them (say they can only do it when either there barriers are full or they are down to health, not both) and I bet biotics make a huge comeback.

Modifié par Slimjim0725, 21 août 2012 - 01:01 .

[YIRAWK]

NOME wrote...

Vorcha sentinel/ soldier should be godly as well.

Especially in platinum, you have too much armor to burn. Plus, he can eat banshee's warp and ravager's acid.

I actually think he has the best dodge ever.

He is good against all fractions and very very useful on platinum.

Agree to most of this. Sentinel should be in the SS group, Soldier in S. It is one of the only characters that can take damage well on Plat.

[Hyunsai]

Joush wrote...

AA is badly hurt with the doge rates as they are. The need to hit with two doge-able attacks means your DPS is only reliable on bosses. 

I disagree. The only enemy that can cause problem is the Geth Pyro, and they don't dodge that much. All the others can be Stased->Shoot/exploded, or are bosses that can't avoid Warp->Throw

Stasis is still an invaluable crowd control skill, especially when you're at 200% recharge.

I have the feeling that not many people remember how to effectively play this class.

Asari Adept on "Average" is a big joke, really. No offense.

Modifié par Hyunsai, 21 août 2012 - 01:07 .

[OmegaDestroyer]

If people are still playing in 2021, I'll be impressed. 

Modifié par OmegaDestroyer, 21 août 2012 - 12:55 .