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[Mazandus]

This list invalidates itself. The Human Sentinel cannot be considered "exceptional" while the Asari Adept is in the "average' category. I know you like the Human Sent, OP, but come on. Put a Harrier X on the Asari Adept and you will have the same damage output of the HSent, but you can also stasis Phantoms. Tech Armor is not going to make that much of a difference especially considering the Human Sent build you posted last week with like no ranks in fitness.

But whatever. The Geth Infiltrator has the highest weapon damage output in the game, can cloak and is not reliant on another class or team synergy to perform well. It is, without question, the most powerful class in the game, and the other infiltrators, when used by a skilled player are also quite formidable.

We have all known this for quite some time.

The rest is noise, and rather meaningless. Skill > class choice.

[hawgwild5757]

Personally I enjoy taking one of the weaker classes and doing well in a game filled with the "godly classes". My current favorite is the Batarian Sentinel. Does it take extra skill? No, I don't think so because I'm not all that good. But I think it takes a different play style (one that most people I play with don't seem to care for) and a little luck.

Modifié par hawgwild5757, 21 août 2012 - 04:44 .

[Wildoom]

himegoto wrote...
D


N7 Slayer

www.youtube.com/watch

[ProjectGemini07]

dzero wrote...

The problem I have with Human Adept Infiltrators is that, A) it they heavily reliesy on the Acolyte,shotguns

FYP:devil:

[RamsenC]

I've had my highest scoring game ever with the Slayer WITHOUT Biotic Slash. Hardly the worst class in the game. I also disagree with Drellguard's placement, but Slayer's placement is far more egregious.

note: I understand score isn't everything, but I doubt I would be scoring that high if the class was awful.

Modifié par RamsenC, 21 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[Major Durza]

N7 Fury inferior to Quarian Male Infiltrator?  What universe are you living in?
knock the Vorcha up a tier, get the right builds and they are downright OP.  I've outscored many a Krysae-toting GI (Before they both took nerf bats to the face) with a Carnage-less Vorcha Soldier toting a Reegar.
Pheonix Adept, Average?  You're doing it very, very wrong.
Why is the Human Sentinel Two Tiers above the Asari Adept???
Why is Human Adept so much lower than the Sentinel?  Have you not mastered the warp+shockwave detonations?

N7 Slayer is the lowest tier?  Holy crap, you are using that class SO very wrong.  How can you look at the undisputed master of hit-and-run combat and call him garbage?  Build defensively for shields and cooldown, spec Phase Disruptor for efficient blast and shield-stripping, BC for radius and Barrier recharge, and spec out of Biotic Slash.  Marauder after you, Phase Disruptor, shields gone, charge, BLAM (Shotgun of some kind)m, dead.  Dodge through walls when things get hairy.   Hit, Run, Repeat.

[Immortal Strife]

Asari Adept is too low IMO-you have the Paladin above her 0.o

[DeathScepter]

Vakarian14 wrote...

The Geth Engineer is amazing on Platinum. The Healing Turret makes almost all the objectives easy, notably pizza delivery and escort. That alone should bump up the GE to a S rank.

No matter the build, the Geth Engineer is a reliable ally to have regardless of level. I do respect the Kroguard a great deal. For I have meet many good Kroguard players from Bronze to Gold.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 21 août 2012 - 04:54 .

[MuKen]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

And do you always see criticism of things you like and assume the person is just there to be a hater? It's actually a decently legit point. Tier lists are often not very well thought out nor respond well to compleixities of player skills, loadout, enemy, and team composition. A botic in a team of tech power spamming engies won't look nearly as good.

He saw a thread that is based on the assumption that tier lists are worth talking about, and went in to argue that they are not.  That is the most perfect possible example of hating.  The thread wasn't "are tier lists good or not", it was "hey for all you people that like tier lists, let's discuss one."

If hypothetically there was some sort of discussion about the intricacies of things that are based on an assumption that tier lists don't work, and I saw a thread about it, I wouldn't bother reading it or responding to it since I disagree with the premise.  I wouldn't bust in there and be like "all this discussion is meaningless because tier lists ARE good".  That's the difference between being in disagreement, and being a hater.

Modifié par MuKen, 21 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[ZombieGambit]

Human Adept is at least a B, A with a few consumables, only people that don't know how to play with him think he sucks.

[Yaevinn]

Slimjim0725 wrote...
I'm good, just tired of worthless post such as your previous one. If you don't know what you are talking about don't speak about it, that simple.

I think You are trying too hard. Take a deep breath and learn to accept a different opinion. Because Your statements are just that - opinions. Equal to mine!

[Optimistman]

I am highly offended that both vorchas and the demolisher aren't in sss tier where they belong. 

[Amano Kazumi]

Human Infiltrator is probably better than the Human Soldier due to Cryo Blast's 1.25X damage and armor debuff, and 80% constant damage bonus over 70% constant damage bonus. This is highly debatable, but I feel well used Sticky Grenades with Cloak's damage bonus can be more useful than Frag Grenades on Gold. Tactical Cloak offers more survivability than Adrenaline Rush. I say switch their rankings or just plop the HI up a rank.

Disagree with the Human Vanguard in B tier. The dude is right up there with the best when it comes to killing grunts, being able to warp around the map so fast that his slightly lower DPS is compensated for. He's a bad character vs. bosses, though with the right experience you can literally Charge any enemy in the game if you wait for the right pattern and prioritize right, and that lets him detonate freely, making him a massive team player. S tier IMO.

It's hard to place the Asari Adept and Asari Vanguard because they are in fact SS tier against Cerberus. IMO the Asari Adept does pretty well against Reapers because of BE's bonus against armor, and the Asari Vanguard does pretty well against Geth because of Lift Grenades and Charge allowing spawn clearing with relative safety (I think most Vanguards are S tier against Geth though). B tier is probably too low for these characters.

Agreed with the Slayer, he has too little risk vs. reward for destroying his shields to use PD on Gold, and until they fix the extremely frequent on-and-off-host glitch where he doesn't restore shields upon Charging he's just a liability with little merit in using unless you're getting the most out of Biotic Slash.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Lists are useless without some explanation of why the various characters are ranked where they are.

[Hyperionyht]

himegoto wrote...

*posts tier list*
*doesn't post methodology or selection criteria*
*is taken seriously*

*facepalm*
Sort out how you're evaluating things for us, then we can talk about this. Until then,

Ziegrif wrote...
Skillz > all.

[Pedactor]

Kroguard:

SSS

How?

Destroyer isn't SSS either?

N7 Fury, Paladin, Human Sentinel, Human Soldier and Shadow are A's.

Asari Adept and Drell Adept are S's.

[himegoto]

GeneralElectric wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Tier list attempt. Hugely depend on weapons and setups. Consumables taken into consideration.

This list would be more respectable if you gave weapons/setups. But I wholeheartedly agree that Geth Infiltrator is the best class in the game (it's about the most flexible class there is).

I would do that but it may even "anger" more people.
Simply look at the amount of people that disagree GI should be the top tier. They will always find ways to prove their own flawless point.

Imagine the endless amount of people then would comment on the build I am using is "doing it wrong". Anticipating that, including an "Optimal" build for all the classes is not a good idea.
Not to mention it will go sidetracked and turn into some individual class debate for a page. So essentially it will be much worse than what it is now.

Keeping it simple is what I had in mind. Didnt want to clog up the format either.

[CaoSlayer]

By the way, Kroguard just got buffed... again.

[SlimJim0725]

Yaevinn wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...
I'm good, just tired of worthless post such as your previous one. If you don't know what you are talking about don't speak about it, that simple.

I think You are trying too hard. Take a deep breath and learn to accept a different opinion. Because Your statements are just that - opinions. Equal to mine!

Not an opinion when you state certain characters are used to exploit speed runs and others are not. Others are used, they just take a couple minutes longer to clear a match with on average, especially in Platinum where DPS is pretty much all that matters. Again, don't speak of stuff you don't know, it just makes you look foolish. Whether it is a record speed run (which Infiltrators do hold the crown for at the moment) or not is a completely different story. Considering I have been a part of a 14:14 all Fury Platinum speed run that we weren't even seriously trying to get, it is safe to say that Infiltrators are definitely not the only ones that can do it. Demolishers are also often a part of sub 15 min runs, usually much less with a good team.

Done with this now as I am tired of dealing with BSN people in general, have fun believing what you want!


Edit: @Himegoto, if you are referring to me I am just trying to state that the GI should not be up there alone. There are plenty of characters that should rank up there with it, the GI is not the "God mode" character it once was.

Modifié par Slimjim0725, 21 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[himegoto]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

Edit: @Himegoto, if you are referring to me I am just trying to state that the GI should not be up there alone. There are plenty of characters that should rank up there with it, the GI is not the "God mode" character it once was.

Nope not at you.
There were a few that outright argued GI shouldnt be the top on the list. I dont even remember what their reasons were. One of the point though was about GI not being a team player class

Modifié par himegoto, 21 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

The Human Sentinel has the most bizarre placement in the list, IMO. How exactly did you determine that the Human Sentinel is above all other Sentinels, save the Paladin??

[Star fury]

Is this trolling list? If it is, it's really really terrible.

[Star fury]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The Human Sentinel has the most bizarre placement in the list, IMO. How exactly did you determine that the Human Sentinel is above all other Sentinels, save the Paladin??

OP is the fanboy of HS, I don't know why he didn't put him on par with GI.

[DeathScepter]

i have seen many excellent Vorcha and N7 classes players.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 21 août 2012 - 06:27 .

[shards7]

Slayer as a D? I would give him, at best, an a as a great class.