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[LeandroBraz]

himegoto wrote...

Turians and Krogans (and Batarians)??
- Sorry, no roll

Who needs roll when you can get a missile with your face? Seriously, They don't need roll, and this is a good thing, since it make them different to play with, with is the point of variety, right?

and Human Engineer is far better than you thing =D

[SovereignWillReturn]

RedJohn wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

I say this for SSB:B, snd I'll say it here.

TR4Q.

I didn't understand a word of this post.

www.youtube.com/watch

Link is Source.

[Aethyl]

I have to admit, I loled at Drell Vanguard and N7 Slayer being the lasts from the list, while even the QFE or the Batarian Sentinel is before them.

Modifié par Aethyl, 22 août 2012 - 07:57 .

[I SomeOneElse I]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I am pretty sure that the OP is trolling or attention whori**... That list is so bad, it cannot be tkaen seriously.

I almost always top the board as either. they're crazy good. send me a message on xbox, I'll show you the raw power of the drell.

[codename2o2]

Lol, Opinions.

[FlowCytometry]

My tier list, simplified:

Good, for Gold:

Everyone


Individual abilities and weapons need buffs (or in some cases, glitch fixes) more than specific classes do. Platinum is another beast entirely, but I dun view that as a well-designed difficulty, nor one I usually play, so w/e.

[joker_jack]

Been seeing alot less vanguards played as of late. Slayer is the one I see most played. Vanguard isn't a bad class just hardest to get to work. The dreaded glitch is what holds them back. The slayer is really good if you can master his invincibility melee frames.

Drellguard I can agree on this list for two reason. 1. Vanguard glitch. 2. Accessibly. This class has a pretty steep learning curve. It's a character that appeals to a more elitist sect because of the learning curve.

[Dream-Maker]

Amano Kazumi wrote...

There's a different glitch that happens quite regularly with the Slayer, Charging and not recovering your shields or dying instantly upon arrival - ON host as well as off host.

While I don't believe the Slayer is D tier, worst character in the game, terrible etc, I do think his damage is too low on his PD and melee to be worth the risk in comparison to using almost any other Vanguard.

Yes this glitch happens sometimes but it is still rare, I have had many matches without it happening even once and it doesn't make the character bad by itself IMO.

And I disagree with the PD damage output considering it's AOE and has no cooldown so it's highly spammable. As such its actual DPS output outclasses that of the vast majority of other powers especially if you can hit several targets. Even more so if you combine it with power synergy biotic charge for continued offense, or biotic slash when you're waiting for your shields to regen behind cover. If you want to kill bosses fast, the Slayer is indeed not the best character but he can do a pretty decent job at it at least better than many classes.

Also light melee damage is low but its primary use is for tanking non instakill enemies thanks to its damage reduction. Light melee combo followed by charge does a great job at that, and you can litterally tank enemies for minutes. As for heavy melee I'll grant you it's useless or at best highly situational. I use it only to go through walls forward and to finish isolated enemies with a bit of health left who are behind walls/cover. You don't need to use it anyway to do good with this class.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 23 août 2012 - 01:01 .

[stinekandts]

= trash

[Shadow Shep]

Disagree, with the whole concept of even doing this (with the exception that geth infiltrator is godly). That is all.

[himegoto]

Rodia Driftwood wrote...

Slayer > D?

Batarian Sentinel > C?

OP sucks fo' sho'

http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

Enuff Said.

I'd hate to imagine this be the kind of people to reply to my tier list.
But still, kudos to you for stepping up and sharing your opinions.

[DullahansXMark]

Human Engineer is too low on the list. Just... thought I'd point that out. He should be at least SSS.

[darkpassenger2342]

slayer is awesome.
i can't believe you list it as tied for worst in the game.
the stagger and survivability potential of the slayer is one of the best.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 23 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[DullahansXMark]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

slayer is awesome.
i can't believe you list it as tied for worst in the game.
the stagger and survivability potential of the slayer is one of the best.

With the Drellguard, to boot. Both classes are awesome.

My theory is that this is all just based on learning curve.

[himegoto]

RedJohn wrote...

Hi, I am RedJohn and I completely disagree with this list.

First of all, this:

SSS (Godly)

Geth Infiltrator

No, just no.

GI, is not the most powerful characters in the game, but is the easiest to use, which means is the class for noobs and people who don't know how to use other classes, i'm not telling you noob or something, of course not, but there are other characters that have much better crowd control than Geth Infiltrator, like for example Batarian Soldier, or Drell Adept.


Second:

SS

Salarian Infiltrator

Male Quarian Infiltrator

N7 Demolisher

Seriously?, Salarian Infiltrator above Destroyer, Vanguards, Batarian Soldier, etc etc etc?

I can't be agree with this, Salarian Infiltrator can not do what a Fury could. I have tested all the characters in the game by lot of ways, soloing and with teams, I use to play with all of them until I master them, I have mastered almost all characters ( except Human Adept and N7 Paladin ) and believe me, SI can't do what Fury does in battlefield. Of course, everything depends on the player, but in my hands I can do great things with the fury and Salarian Infiltrator with a Shotgun ( i use both of them with a shotgun, normaly ).

No words about the other 2.

D

Drell Vanguard

N7 Slayer 

It seems that you know how to play only if you have an infiltrator, because put the Drell Vanguard and N7 Slayer at the lowest rank is just not clever.

I have to ask you, Are you sure that Female Quarian Engineer deserves a higher rank than Drell Vanguard?

I have more dissagreements, but I don't want to write too much.

Hi, Redjohn

I got to go out in a min and will quickly reply to your points.

GI is the best class in game. He is the most powerful. Simple as that. ME3 metagame = Raw DPS is all.
You may argue that he is an easy character to use for noobs. That's just your opinion. Some of the better players I know do better with the Turians than Geths. Some much better with a SI than a GI (due to his survivability with ED. A balance between survivability and DPS may be more suited to their playstyle but they are not noobs thank you. And I put him on SS considering that)
I dont like to run GI because hunter mode hurts my eyes. But I too do very good with him.

Your idea of me making this list (along with the majority) is again judging from me doing only best with those high tier classes. Wrong.
I am really disappointed because I made that point clear in the thread, but everyone is still jumping on it. Immature and kind of obnoxious at this point.
My most played classes are mostly on the lower tier end. 1) I enjoy using them, 2) It's more challenging = more fun.

Yes on QE > DV
The turret is a very good distraction. Throw it near a banshee then run past a corner and most of the times the banshee will aggro on it. Teammates then can concentrate fire. Not to mention you have a armor debuffer skill. I skipped incinerate. Which I hope you did also.

Btw, you (or even myself in this case) playing a DV better than a QE is irrelevent. Judging only on the tools they have in the class.

Modifié par himegoto, 23 août 2012 - 04:54 .

[corporal doody]

The Fury is cool and all....but the Drell Adept and Justicar are better adepts imho...especially the Justicar!!!

the Asari Vanguard is too low...especially after the charge buff.

Demolisher is too high.

And NO WAY the Human Sentinel and BF3 Soldier is S ranked!

That list is so full of bias it isnt funny.


edit: i remember somewhere at sometime "The Human Sentinel is better at being a soldier than the Human Soldier."

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 août 2012 - 04:53 .

[himegoto]

corporal doody wrote...

The Fury is cool and all....but the Drell Adept and Justicar are better adepts imho...especially the Justicar!!!

the Asari Vanguard is too low...especially after the charge buff.

Demolisher is too high.

And NO WAY the Human Sentinel and BF3 Soldier is S ranked!

That list is so full of bias it isnt funny.


edit: i remember somewhere at sometime "The Human Sentinel is better at being a soldier than the Human Soldier."

Way to go reciting my words.
I said Human sentinel is a better AR wielding soldier than a human soldier.
Claymore human soldier with Arush and roll and map awareness = invincible.

Majority of people having the skills to pull that off or not, thats another thing. I am only counting in the maximum potential.

[corporal doody]

himegoto wrote...

I said Human sentinel is a better AR wielding soldier than a human soldier.
Claymore human soldier with Arush and roll and map awareness = invincible.

i dunno dude.   Adrenaline Rush with a AR that allows a lower C/D...so you spam Adren Rush while popping rounds...makes the HS eat dust! 

the Human Soldier is not potentially better at being a better "AR Soldier".....the Human Soldier IS a better soldier.

and imho..the Human Sentinel is not the best of the Sentinels...assuming you are playing the HSent as something other than a biotic power spammer (rather....are playing it as a soldier with biotic abilities).  The Turian and Krogan are miles ahead.

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 août 2012 - 05:10 .

[darkpassenger2342]

according to the list, a combat role gives you automatic godly status.
so the turian sentinel is garbage, ( according to the list)
but the human is amazing. ( according to the list)

[Zero132132]

Asari Adept needs to be an A. She's not just useful for Phantoms, and stasis will debilitate ALL cerberus troops except the Atlas, and it good for any enemy type that doesn't have armor instead of health. Warp gives a multiplicative weapon damage increase which the entire team can take advantage of, throw can stagger most enemies, and BEs weren't ever really nerfed that hard, just a radius decrease, so the 100% damage increase that warp+throw provides isn't trivial.

Seriously... B? That class is awesome. I don't just mean in the subjective sense (I pwn with AA), I mean that her skillset is objectively good and useful.

Subjectively, I hate seeing the Drellguard as a D, since I ****in love that class, but I can't really object in any real sense. He's decent, but only if played VERY carefully, and since the playstyle is so different from what people are used to, from how every other class plays, I understand the low ranking. I also die constantly past wave 7, and he's pretty worthless against Geth, usually.

[corporal doody]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

according to the list, a combat role gives you automatic godly status.
so the turian sentinel is garbage, ( according to the list)
but the human is amazing. ( according to the list)

true...and if you aint a infiltrator you aint shieyt....unless it is a human infiltrator...then you are crap (according to the list)

and if it is by POTENTIAL....the Slayer is way low....cuz the Slayer has the POTENTIAL to be a pure unadultrated BEAST!  just at the moment synergy is a problem (for me anyways..cuz it feels like it should be able FLOW and Transition from Charge to melee to power [slash or disruptor] with relative ease...but something is lacking imho). I have, however, seen individuals RUN THE BOARD while playing a Slayer (non-Biotic Slash spammers).

So D? too low.


and yes...I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Asari Adept.....and i think in that Tier List...it is low...but the AA has been lagging behind as of late imho. low A high B      

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 août 2012 - 05:38 .

[Shotgunner]

Having the Drellguard in Tier D and ranking the Asari Adept below the Turian Soldier makes me very sad.

Drellguard with claymore all day err' day.

[Jackums]

It seems someone does not know how to play the Slayer very well.. at all. Awkward.

The AA is also being severely underestimated.



I can agree with the SSS and SS tiers. The rest? No way.

[Misfiring]

himegoto wrote...

Tier list attempt. Hugely depend on weapons and setups. Consumables taken into consideration.
Feel free to agree/disagree
--------------


SSS (Godly)

Geth Infiltrator

 

SS

Salarian Infiltrator

Male Quarian Infiltrator

N7 Demolisher

 

S (Exceptional)

N7 Destroyer

N7 Paladin

N7 Shadow

N7 Fury

Human Sentinel

Kroguard

Human Soldier (BF3 Soldier)

Male Quarian Engineer

 

 

A (Great classes)

Batarian Soldier

Vorcha Soldier

Vorcha Sentinel

Drell Adept

Human Engineer

Geth Engineer

Salarian Engineer

Asari Justicar

Phoenix Vanguard (Pre nerf, S)

Female Quarian Infiltrator

Human Infiltrator

Turian Soldier (With full consumables)

 

B (Average)

Asari Adept

Phoenix Adept

Krogan Sentinel

Asari Vanguard

Human Vanguard

Turian Sentinel

Krogan Soldier

 

C

Female Quarian Engineer

Batarian Sentinel

Human Adept
 

D

Drell Vanguard

N7 Slayer

 
---------------



Turians and Krogans (and Batarians)??
- Sorry, no roll

Asari Adept at B??
- Only ever good against phantoms. Which is easy to deal with
in current days with better classes and weapons. And BE nerf.

QME > DA?
- Yeah, arc grenades is just that much better.


 

If I put one of your favs in lower ranks, doesn't mean I'm
belittle-ing you. Just throwing it out there. We all know people only take
things too seriously in BSN. I love playing as Female Quarian Engineer, Batarian
Sentinel, Krogan Sentinel, Asari Vanguard.

 

Flame away.

Slayer at worst rank? I'm offended. It's such a good class in Gold matches. Just because you doesn't know how to use it doesn't mean it's the worst.

But I'm more offended that you put geth infiltrator, the weakest char ever invented, in the top rank. It's exactly what I call a glass cannon. Huge amount of damage, but dies all too easily. For me the Destroyer should be in the SSS rank. That's what I call a tank cannon.

There's no "nerf" on the cerberus char. It's balancing.

Krogan and Turian are AVERAGE?! Is the roll the only thing matters to you?!

Can't say I had seen a less accurate stuff than this thing.

[RedJohn]

himegoto wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Hi, I am RedJohn and I completely disagree with this list.

First of all, this:

SSS (Godly)

Geth Infiltrator

No, just no.

GI, is not the most powerful characters in the game, but is the easiest to use, which means is the class for noobs and people who don't know how to use other classes, i'm not telling you noob or something, of course not, but there are other characters that have much better crowd control than Geth Infiltrator, like for example Batarian Soldier, or Drell Adept.


Second:

SS

Salarian Infiltrator

Male Quarian Infiltrator

N7 Demolisher

Seriously?, Salarian Infiltrator above Destroyer, Vanguards, Batarian Soldier, etc etc etc?

I can't be agree with this, Salarian Infiltrator can not do what a Fury could. I have tested all the characters in the game by lot of ways, soloing and with teams, I use to play with all of them until I master them, I have mastered almost all characters ( except Human Adept and N7 Paladin ) and believe me, SI can't do what Fury does in battlefield. Of course, everything depends on the player, but in my hands I can do great things with the fury and Salarian Infiltrator with a Shotgun ( i use both of them with a shotgun, normaly ).

No words about the other 2.

D

Drell Vanguard

N7 Slayer 

It seems that you know how to play only if you have an infiltrator, because put the Drell Vanguard and N7 Slayer at the lowest rank is just not clever.

I have to ask you, Are you sure that Female Quarian Engineer deserves a higher rank than Drell Vanguard?

I have more dissagreements, but I don't want to write too much.

Hi, Redjohn

I got to go out in a min and will quickly reply to your points.

GI is the best class in game. He is the most powerful. Simple as that. ME3 metagame = Raw DPS is all.
You may argue that he is an easy character to use for noobs. That's just your opinion. Some of the better players I know do better with the Turians than Geths. Some much better with a SI than a GI (due to his survivability with ED. A balance between survivability and DPS may be more suited to their playstyle but they are not noobs thank you. And I put him on SS considering that)
I dont like to run GI because hunter mode hurts my eyes. But I too do very good with him.

Your idea of me making this list (along with the majority) is again judging from me doing only best with those high tier classes. Wrong.
I am really disappointed because I made that point clear in the thread, but everyone is still jumping on it. Immature and kind of obnoxious at this point.
My most played classes are mostly on the lower tier end. 1) I enjoy using them, 2) It's more challenging = more fun.

Yes on QE > DV
The turret is a very good distraction. Throw it near a banshee then run past a corner and most of the times the banshee will aggro on it. Teammates then can concentrate fire. Not to mention you have a armor debuffer skill. I skipped incinerate. Which I hope you did also.

Btw, you (or even myself in this case) playing a DV better than a QE is irrelevent. Judging only on the tools they have in the class.

Well, I don't have a huge knowledge about DPS because I test things in game, because for me DPS is a little pointless, I judge for the powers of the character.

GI is not the most powerful, even if you talk about DPS, GI can't do crowd control as Batarian Soldier do, Batarian can manage a bigger amount of enemies than GI at the same time and kill them all at the same time too.

Now, if you talk about the amount of damage done to a single target, then yes, GI is better than Batarian Soldier killing 1 enemy, and taking down bosses, but in Crowd control it lacks.

Also, Destroyer is better for killing everything than GI, Devastator mode has more accuracy and more damage for weapons than hunter mode, also, more fire rate, if we go for cloak Gi has a little advantage but it can't use it permanently, you have little lapses to use cloak while the Destroyer has Devasta... mode always activated, and again, it takes bosses faster, so, it is better than GI if we follow the logic of killing things.

About SI being better than Drell Vanguard, well...

Drell vanguard has more survavility than Salarian Infiltrator and also more crowd control. 
Salarian Infiltrator has Energy drain to have full shields, but DV has Biotic charge, a powerful power that gives you your shields back and also can take you out of a place where you are surrounded by enemies.

Salarian Infiltrator has Proximity Mine, but Drell Vanguard has Granades, which have more damage and radious than Prox mine. And even with Tactical Cloak for full damage Prox mine maybe has 35 points more than Drell granades ( searched in Narida ), but Granades has Force power which send enemies to fly. Drell has the advantage here.

Other thing is how people use it.

And this is only comparing Drell Vanguard which is in last place on your list with Salarian Infiltrator which is very high.

Some of the better players I know do better with the Turians than Geths. Some much better with a SI than a GI (due to his survivability with ED. A balance between survivability and DPS may be more suited to their playstyle but they are not noobs thank you. And I put him on SS considering that) 

Well, I don't use to say this but, believe me, I'm not a noob, and I can tell you that DV is better than Quarian Female Engineer.

Yes on QE > DV
The turret is a very good distraction. Throw it near a banshee then run past a corner and most of the times the banshee will aggro on it. Teammates then can concentrate fire. Not to mention you have a armor debuffer skill. I skipped incinerate. Which I hope you did also. 

Well, in my case when I play against Reapers I don't care about Banshees because for me they are the most useless and nonscary enemy, also, the weakiest boss.

I care about Marauders, and they are always in groups, It doesn't matter if the banshee is playing with the turret, marauders are there and they are the ones that kill me almost always.

8 of 10 deaths against reapers are because of Marauders.

In that case I can tell you that banshees are not the worst of your problems, Marauders are.



PS: I will do my Tier list too 

Modifié par RedJohn, 23 août 2012 - 07:14 .