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[JasonPogo]

 Ok so I don't personaly know where the cut off is for this. But I hope Bioware will find it in DA3.  I just felt like Hawke was biowares character and not mine.  Alot of people here use Origins and voice acting as the exuse why.  But I don't hink thats it.  I mean in Mass Effect 1 i always felt it was my Sheperd.  There was enogh there to make Sheperd feel as though I had agency over him/her.  However Mass Effect 3 is a perfect example of the flip side of that coin.  In ME3 Sheperd was now Biowares character and I as the player was just along for the ride.  So like I said I don't know where that happy middle ground is that makes us as players feel the character is ours but I really need the MC of DA3 to feel that way.  Otherwise I might lose any intrist in the DA world wich would be a shame since ai do love the lore Gaider and team have built up around it.....

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Cease your pestering, insect. Accept the coming of your new protagonist.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 21 août 2012 - 11:35 .

[Jerrybnsn]

The more choices for customizing your "hero of the story" helps in making you feel like you create your own character. Gender, vocation and facial features help a lot. Adding choice of race helps immensly. Then proper attention to giving you an "origin" story cements your connection to your created character.

The two big things that DAII did that made me feel like Hawke wasn't my character was removing race selection and not having an origin story.  Well, and having a VO auto-dialogue character that did his/her own thing was probably the biggest of them all.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 21 août 2012 - 11:43 .

[Rawgrim]

I agree. The Warden felt like my own, Hawke never did. Hawke had a cooler beard, though.

[Jerrybnsn]

Rawgrim wrote...

I agree. The Warden felt like my own, Hawke never did. Hawke had a cooler beard, though.

Nobody had a cooler beard than Ducan.  It was so famous that many Orleasian Wardens commonly swear out "By Ducan's Beard!"

[Rawgrim]

Duncan`s beard was quite grand, yes.

[King Cousland]

For some reason, the pure fact that in DA:O we got a title (The Warden) instead of a personal, family name like Hawke made my PC feel more like my own. It seems like we'll be getting a title again for DA III so expanded customisation looks to be on the cards.

[DatIrishFella]

Mass Effect 2 perfected control over ones Shepard, whereas in Mass Effect, in a few situations, all three responses lead to the same dialogue.

If anything, that should be what the team at BioWare should be aiming for in the future, not Mass Effect 3 which was abysmal.

Hopefully Dragon Age 3 doesn't take that route.

[wetnasty]

 Then make your own game. 

[Jerrybnsn]

wetnasty wrote...

 Then make your own game. 

Just as soon as EA hands over the Dragon Age IP.

[Cutlasskiwi]

I've never been able to create "my" character. It has always been BioWare's and I've always approached them from a 3rd person perspective.

Edit: spelling

Modifié par Cutlasskiwi, 21 août 2012 - 04:45 .

[Emzamination]

CrustyBot wrote...

Cease your pestering, insect. Accept the coming of your new protagonist.

I throw my support behind this ^

[Eternal Phoenix]

i no wanna play as Dirk.

i no wanna be Dirk.

i wanna make me own character.

me be angry.

[Atakuma]

Then go LARP or something.

[Maria Caliban]

For myself, I've never felt as though any character in a game was wholly mine.

I tend to feel more 'ownership' over love interests than I do player characters. Different type of ownership though.

[Jerrybnsn]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I tend to feel more 'ownership' over love interests than I do player characters. Different type of ownership though.

Riiiggghhtt.  The creepy ownership kind.

[zyntifox]

Well i have never played a RPG with a voiced protagonist that felt like mine character. Now, i haven't played many RPGs with a voiced protagonist so i can't argue that the voice is the problem. Do you have any tips on any RPGs with voiced protagonist that truly feels like it is yours? Did not play the knights of the old republic, does it have a voiced protagonist (would give me a excuse to play it, you know anything for science!)?

[The Elder King]

Filament wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

For some reason, the pure fact that in DA:O we got a title (The Warden) instead of a personal, family name like Hawke made my PC feel more like my own.

Yeah, I would have hated to be given a family name for my Cousland Warden instead of letting me name him for myself.

You're right, though the HN Warden was called more often the Warden than Cousland (even less in other origins) while in DA2 you're called most the time Hawke. Though in truth I don't think that there's a difference if you're called with your surname or with a title.

[LinksOcarina]

Remember when I was the Bhaalspawn...and that being an elf or a dwarf was irrelevant? good times.

[Realmzmaster]

King Cousland wrote...

For some reason, the pure fact that in DA:O we got a title (The Warden) instead of a personal, family name like Hawke made my PC feel more like my own. It seems like we'll be getting a title again for DA III so expanded customisation looks to be on the cards.

I thought the Human nobles family name was Cousland,  and the dwarf family name was Aeducan. In fact Wynne refers to your name if you are a human noble. 

[Realmzmaster]

hhh89 wrote...

Filament wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

For some reason, the pure fact that in DA:O we got a title (The Warden) instead of a personal, family name like Hawke made my PC feel more like my own.

Yeah, I would have hated to be given a family name for my Cousland Warden instead of letting me name him for myself.

You're right, though the HN Warden was called more often the Warden than Cousland (even less in other origins) while in DA2 you're called most the time Hawke. Though in truth I don't think that there's a difference if you're called with your surname or with a title.

After the second act Hawke is mostly called the Champion by everyone else. Only his companions use his family name. Even in the first Act most of the NPCs refer to him/her as a Ferelden, Ferelden dog or dog lord. Only the people he associated with like Tomwise, Lady Elegant and Worthy.

The Arishok just calls him human (because he did not care to know his name) until the second act at when he calls Hawke by his/her family name.

Bodahn never uses his family name just Messere (which is used when some one of lower rank speaks to some one higher). The elf servant girl calls him master. Others refer to him/her as either Serah Hawke or Messere Hawke. Serah is used by people of equal rank in society.

I had no problem feeling that Hawke was my own character, but YMMV.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 21 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[Vox Draco]

Hmm...the problem might be that, as soon as you add a "real" voice to the protagonist it already starts with stamping a type of character on her/him. The Warden, eben though they had a backstory we play through, is mostly a blank page. Hardly we see the hero from the front, hardly we see emotion on her/his face.

If the cousland family dies, most of the emotional impact happens in our heads. In a way, the wardens are like the nameless and speechless marines and physic-professors of old, a mere vessel for us players to fill with our fantasy...hey, almost poetic, that thought of me....

But I think the days of voiceless heros are over, and if I get a Jennifer Hale to do the voice it might be fine. Though it can hardly pelase everyone. You want to play a soft, almost shy new Hero? Too bad then when the voice sounds all tough and hardy...

To counter the predetermined character-problem at least a little, maybe Bioware should play the good old amnesia-card. A hero with no past, a blank page to write our own history about her/him. Quite the opposite of what we got in Origins or DA2, but I like it better that way. Without predefined family-relations etc. the main char might be easier to adopt to different visions the players have of her/him....

Just a thought though...

[Potato Cat]

I never thought ME or ME2 Shep was my character. I only really started to like Shep in ME3. They just seemed much more real, but even then, Shep wasn't my character. They were their own character. The Warden was different. The Warden, voiceless and with different Origins wasn't really their own character, the Warden was mine. Hawke wasn't either unfortunately.

I want either ME3 Shep or a Warden for the Inquistor. Though they'll probably be ME3 Shep.

[Potato Cat]

Vox Draco wrote...

Hmm...the problem might be that, as soon as you add a "real" voice to the protagonist it already starts with stamping a type of character on her/him. The Warden, eben though they had a backstory we play through, is mostly a blank page. Hardly we see the hero from the front, hardly we see emotion on her/his face.

If the cousland family dies, most of the emotional impact happens in our heads. In a way, the wardens are like the nameless and speechless marines and physic-professors of old, a mere vessel for us players to fill with our fantasy...hey, almost poetic, that thought of me....

But I think the days of voiceless heros are over, and if I get a Jennifer Hale to do the voice it might be fine. Though it can hardly pelase everyone. You want to play a soft, almost shy new Hero? Too bad then when the voice sounds all tough and hardy...

To counter the predetermined character-problem at least a little, maybe Bioware should play the good old amnesia-card. A hero with no past, a blank page to write our own history about her/him. Quite the opposite of what we got in Origins or DA2, but I like it better that way. Without predefined family-relations etc. the main char might be easier to adopt to different visions the players have of her/him....

Just a thought though...

As much as I like her, I don't want Jennifer Hale to voice the Inquisitor... Or at least her FemShep voice.

Since I didn't like the acting of MaleShep and as a City Elf, I couldn't bear Hawke to be voiced by the same guy who voiced Vaughn, so history tells me I might have to be female Inquisitor too. And having such a "tough and hardy" voice would be bad for characterisation.