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The possibility of dwarvern LI and seeing female Kossith


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RogueWriter3201

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jmd4 wrote...

I for one really, really want a dwarven romance, with either a male or female dwarf. Gaider's comment here gives me some small hope--it hasn't been totally discounted--however, his past objections and current caveat makes me worry.

He believes (or did once) that dwarven women look child-like, something I simply don't agree with. Every dwarven woman in DA:O looked like a voluptuous mature woman. To me, they were the most "adult" looking females in the game. That never seemed like an issue. Is it the height, then? Dwarven women come up to the chest of a human, that's not so small. That isn't unsexably short if I may be so bold. My Warden didn't let it stop her, I can tell you that. Dwarven men are as manly as can be too. What's the big deal about their appearance?

These seem like weak deflections to avoid having to deal with the dwarven romance issue. Not having a proper dwarven romance is a glaring omission to me, since human and elf romances are plentiful. It looks with this omission as though BioWare is playing favorites with the races, and that's not cool.

Having the "right" romance for a dwarf also makes me wonder. What does that mean? I am concerned that it could mean that the right romance is only dwarf-dwarf, to protect the devs from having to get grossed out at the thought of dwarves mixing with elves and humans or even kossith. I don't want the potential dwarf romance to be given short shrift, treated as an afterthought or a dirty secret, and only available to another dwarf (assuming we ever get to play dwarves again). A dwarf-dwarf romance would be great, but not if it is the only option and dwarves aren't allowed to romance other races.

Just give dwarves their due, romance-wise, that's all I want. It's only fair.


I think David is a "baws" and I respect him deeply; however I do have to agree that it does always seem like he comes up with clever ways of deflecting story/character/race ideas that he doesn't much like. After Origins, when complaints went up that there were no Female Elven companions to romance, David did much the same thing as with the Dwarven/Kossith requests; i.e. witty remarks and deflections.

However the point kept persisting until, eventually, if I'm not mistaken, he basically threw up his hands and went for complete honesty, basically saying there were no Female Elven Love Interests because he felt Female Elven romances had been done to death and were boring. Basically, as lead writer, he put his foot down over something that he didn't care for; not because it would have negatively impacted the story, not because it was pointless, and not because it would have sparked controversy, but simply because he didn't want it in the game.

Now, I could be wrong about that whole thing (if I am David or someone on the team will correct me with a text based **** Slap) and that's totally fine. My point of all this is that I'm somewhat concerned that, in regards to Dwarven/Kossith female/male companion characters that can be romanced (I'll admit, given the demand for both genders it certainly makes things tricky. I mean, do you have a female dwarf who's bisexual or a male dwarf who, likewise, swings both ways? Dito for a Kossith) there's a chance it will never happen because, regardless of the popularity  or how awesome a story/character idea Sheryl or Luke or anyone else in the Writer's Pit comes up with David will shoot it down merely because he won't want it in the game because it's "icky" or "boring." Again, I hope I'm very much wrong in this. 
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Sabariel

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I'm sure DA3's LIs will be the standard array of humans-and-elves.

Modifié par Sabariel, 26 août 2012 - 05:45 .


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David Gaider wrote...
Eventually we're likely to do both.



In the off chance that Sigrun becomes the Dwarven LI when you guys maybe decide to do one -- and that's assuming that if that scenario was being done, Sigrun would be the one for it -- she'd look great if you guys gave her longer hair and a lighter shaded tattoo.

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Am I going crazy ? Alistair romanced my female Dwarf Aeducan in my last playthrough, and I have a female Dalish who romanced Zevran. What is this thing about no female elves / dwarfs romance ?


PS: Although I would have much prefered my Aeducan princess kept her Gorim dwarf sweetie. Making him marry another was lame -.-

Modifié par Renmiri1, 26 août 2012 - 04:12 .


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Renmiri1 wrote...

Am I going crazy ? Alistair romanced my female Dwarf Aeducan in my last playthrough, and I have a female Dalish who romanced Zevran. What is this thing about no female elves / dwarfs romance ?


PS: Although I would have much prefered my Aeducan princess kept her Gorim dwarf sweetie. Making him marry another was lame -.-


Really not quite sure where David's relunctance stemmed from. It's true that, in Origins, there was Dwarven love applenty. You could romance Alistair as a female Dwarf and Leliana as a Male Dwarf. The only conclusions I can come to is that the new Female Dwarven designs (i.e. the roller derby looking girls) seem too "child-like" to David. As such, the idea of romancing a female Dwarven companion unsettles him in some way. As for the Kossith, I coudn't say. 

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Hopefully Bioware will pay attention to the forum and realize that many people want see female dwarves and female Kossith. We also want to be able to romance either dwarves or Kossith. Varric was awesome while Fenris and Anders had ****ty personalities. Both had anger issues and were totally annoying. Yet we were forced to romance them and not Varric.

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Renmiri1 wrote...


PS: Although I would have much prefered my Aeducan princess kept her Gorim dwarf sweetie. Making him marry another was lame -.-


And only after a week, he moved on very quickly.