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[dreman9999]

T-Raks wrote...

MattFini wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

If synthesis happens, I'm glad, that my Shepard is long under the dead.

It's happening right now... 
 

That's only one side of synthesis.

The other side meaning that, somehow, robots have to get DNA.

That's where the lulz start happening. 

That is problem number one and the biggest (machines getting DNA), number two is organics getting forced into becoming cyborgs against their indidvidual will, number three the whole concept of synthesis without surgery is where it gets really laughable. Worst idea ever!

But I guess I should at least youtube then how Mordin II or another Salarian scientist comes up with the synthesis idea as the final solution after my Shep destroyed all synthetics of this cycle. Instead of the council simply forbidding building these "all too dangerous" synthetics up again in the first place. And maybe we should start betting which race despite all warnings builds synthetics again... (Also the Salarians? Though I got the feeling they like to experiment with living organics more.)

EC retcon the syntetics getting dna.

[corkey sweet]

Heck NO!!!!!

Synthesis is GARBAGE. Control or Destroy are 10x better endings 

Modifié par corkey sweet, 21 août 2012 - 10:50 .

[devSin]

Absolutely not.

If it's simply an inevitably, then it is not a choice, and every other ending is wrong. If you want to complete the trilogy correctly, you must choose synthesis, becase BioWare has said now that any future version of the setting will be post-synthesis. As the brat said, this is the next stage of life, and it is one that must be taken—the ending is not some noble choice to protect your morals or preserve life or give people the right to determine their own values, their own future; the ending is whether you have the courage to lead people up out of the darkness and into the light that is waiting for them.

If you chose anything but synthesis, you lacked that courage, and you failed. That is BioWare's Mass Effect.

And that is not something I'm interested in having any part in.

[blueumi]

i think i will stick to draogon age from now on i hate synthesis

[inko1nsiderate]

Yes and no. Yes I already don't hate synthesis so that wouldn't be the problem, and I am likely to play any game set in the Mass Effect franchise anyway, but also no because I don't want the downstream effects of my Shepard's choice in ME3 to be explicitly spelled out for me and constrained by Bioware's own artistic vision.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 21 août 2012 - 10:54 .

[fchopin]

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have no idea who this Jessica Merizan is but she should get her facts correct before speaking on things she has no understanding.

There is zero chance for bioware to do such a thing.

I think you need to get your fact straigh. She is not say synthesis is the canon ending nor bw making a game based on te synthesis ending. 

What is she saying then?

[T-Raks]

Also I have a question: if synthesis is the final step of evolution in the ME universe and there is peace and happiness and jumping all around - what is left there to tell? Sounds like it'll be pretty boring with everyone loving anyone. (Not that we don't want eternal peace in real life, but for an action game...)

Modifié par T-Raks, 21 août 2012 - 11:02 .

[Blue Face Beast]

First, if there is another Mass Effect game or trilogy, i hope it will be with another main character than Shepard. Shepard has his trilogy, let's leave it at that and go in another direction.

Second, i would not mind a prequel happening maybe during the First Contact War time or around.

Or Third, i could enjoy another story with another main character that happened in paralel during Shepard's timeline, or something completely new happening centuries after the Reaper War.

So basically, i am done with Shepard. It was good but it is time to let go and open ourselve to something new imho.

[dreman9999]

fchopin wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have no idea who this Jessica Merizan is but she should get her facts correct before speaking on things she has no understanding.

There is zero chance for bioware to do such a thing.

I think you need to get your fact straigh. She is not say synthesis is the canon ending nor bw making a game based on te synthesis ending. 

What is she saying then?

Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

[dreman9999]

T-Raks wrote...

Also I have a question: if synthesis is the final step of evolution in the ME universe and there is peace and happiness and jumping all around - what is left there to tell? Sounds like it'll be pretty boring with everyone loving anyone. (Not that we don't want eternal peace in real life, but for an action game...)

Think of it this way...Just because it's the final possible  evolution of life does not mean it has to be forced on everyone.

[Blue Face Beast]

I do not care. Wherever Bioware decide to take the game, i am with them. If i am having fun, it is good enough for me.

[MattFini]

dreman9999 wrote...

[Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

Sure, and people today have pacemakers, hearing aids, etc. Doesn't mean that I want to have my DNA inexlicably re-written because of it.

Nor do I see how robots are going to get DNA. 

[dreman9999]

MattFini wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

[Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

Sure, and people today have pacemakers, hearing aids, etc. Doesn't mean that I want to have my DNA inexlicably re-written because of it.

Nor do I see how robots are going to get DNA. 

1. For the last time, they retcon the robots getting dna statement in EC.
2. Your missing my point. I'm not saying to force synthesis. I'm ageinst he type of synthesis  the catalyst offers.
I'm saying that we don't choose his way of doing synthesis and do it on our terms, with us choosing it if we want to and it not being forced on us if we don't want it.

[D24O]

Lol no, won't be buying that game.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

MattFini wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

[Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

Sure, and people today have pacemakers, hearing aids, etc. Doesn't mean that I want to have my DNA inexlicably re-written because of it.

Nor do I see how robots are going to get DNA. 

pfft having artificial implants is a far cry from having your DNA rewritten against your will.

[MattFini]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. For the last time, they retcon the robots getting dna statement in EC.

Okay.  But it's part of the game now.  I agree they made a dumb idea dumber...

dreman9999wrote...

2. Your missing my point. I'm not saying to force synthesis. I'm ageinst he type of synthesis  the catalyst offers.
I'm saying that we don't choose his way of doing synthesis and do it on our terms, with us choosing it if we want to and it not being forced on us if we don't want it.

Okay, fair enough my friend.

But, in the context of this thread, if BioWare canonizes synthesis (I don't think they will) it would be a result of the Catalyst / Shepard's choice.

[fchopin]

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have no idea who this Jessica Merizan is but she should get her facts correct before speaking on things she has no understanding.

There is zero chance for bioware to do such a thing.

I think you need to get your fact straigh. She is not say synthesis is the canon ending nor bw making a game based on te synthesis ending. 

What is she saying then?

Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

That is not what op said but how is that the same as synthesis?
 
Having an operation to have a piece of metal inside the body or some other artificial product is not the same as synthesis, synthetics and organics are supposed to be come one in understanding each other and this will never happen as both are different.
 
Individualism is unique and requires though process, if all organics and synthetics agree with everything then they are not individuals but brainwashed, freedom produces understanding and enlightenment.
 
Enlightenment is the final evolution of life and not synthesis.

[T-Raks]

dreman9999 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

Also I have a question: if synthesis is the final step of evolution in the ME universe and there is peace and happiness and jumping all around - what is left there to tell? Sounds like it'll be pretty boring with everyone loving anyone. (Not that we don't want eternal peace in real life, but for an action game...)

Think of it this way...Just because it's the final possible  evolution of life does not mean it has to be forced on everyone.

Why should I? In ME3 it IS forced on everyone if you chooses it. And creating organic/snythetic cyborgs out of synthetics is an abomination. You confuse technologically upgrading (mostly out of medical reasons) organics - which happens in ME all the time - with the bullcrap happening at the end. These two things have nothing in common.

Also another thought: if "upgrading" both sides would be possible and that's the reason why there is peace - it also sounds a lot like universal mind control and not like free will being around...

It's just bogus.

But back to my question: what would there be left to tell if everything's so cool?????????????????

[dreman9999]

fchopin wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

I have no idea who this Jessica Merizan is but she should get her facts correct before speaking on things she has no understanding.

There is zero chance for bioware to do such a thing.

I think you need to get your fact straigh. She is not say synthesis is the canon ending nor bw making a game based on te synthesis ending. 

What is she saying then?

Think of it this way. Synthesis is already happening natually in the ME story.
Shepard is intradependent on his implants. The quarian are intradependent on there tech. We have biotic implant and gray boxes. What she mean is the plot of ME fallow that concept of synthesis happen naturally as a choice of organics instead of it being forced on them.

That is not what op said but how is that the same as synthesis?
 
Having an operation to have a piece of metal inside the body or some other artificial product is not the same as synthesis, synthetics and organics are supposed to be come one in understanding each other and this will never happen as both are different.
 
Individualism is unique and requires though process, if all organics and synthetics agree with everything then they are not individuals but brainwashed, freedom produces understanding and enlightenment.
 
Enlightenment is the final evolution of life and not synthesis.

You missing the point here. It's differnt because if it happens natually, you have a choice to personally use it or not. With the cataylst synthesis it's forced

[dreman9999]

T-Raks wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

T-Raks wrote...

Also I have a question: if synthesis is the final step of evolution in the ME universe and there is peace and happiness and jumping all around - what is left there to tell? Sounds like it'll be pretty boring with everyone loving anyone. (Not that we don't want eternal peace in real life, but for an action game...)

Think of it this way...Just because it's the final possible  evolution of life does not mean it has to be forced on everyone.

Why should I? In ME3 it IS forced on everyone if you chooses it. And creating organic/snythetic cyborgs out of synthetics is an abomination. You confuse technologically upgrading (mostly out of medical reasons) organics - which happens in ME all the time - with the bullcrap happening at the end. These two things have nothing in common.

Also another thought: if "upgrading" both sides would be possible and that's the reason why there is peace - it also sounds a lot like universal mind control and not like free will being around...

It's just bogus.

But back to my question: what would there be left to tell if everything's so cool?????????????????

You missed my point. They are not saying synthesis is cannon. They are saying they want to make a game where synthesis is a choice anyone can choose or decline.

[D24O]

 I'd rather watch this.

[SJK93]

No, I would not be interested in a game where Synthesis is canon. It completely invalidates the most important (in my opinion) choice in the entire Mass Effect trilogy if you picked Destroy or Control. If I wanted Synthesis to happen, I would picked it rather than Destroy. But apparently that doesn't matter. Just my two cents.

[Tenten_Tenten]

Depends.
I would never EVER choose synthesis as an ending, regardless of the awesome EDI voice over. This is because starchild himself says that it can't be forced. So then forcing it on the whole galaxy is supposed to work..? Not to mention the whole mystical green wave somehow giving robots DNA and every organic synthetic parts thing which is so out of nowhere you can call it nothing but ridiculous.

HOWEVER, synthesis having happened as the result of individual choice over a large amount of time? I have no issue with that. As long as it isn't forced by one individual, and is explained better than the catalyst nonsense, I see nothing wrong with merged synthetic/organic life.

Modifié par Tenten_Tenten, 21 août 2012 - 11:38 .

[fchopin]

dreman9999 wrote...

You missing the point here. It's differnt because if it happens natually, you have a choice to personally use it or not. With the cataylst synthesis it's forced

Therefore we don't want it, it is rubbish, a machine will not decide what fate life will take so if bioware makes a game with synthesis then they can take the game to their house and play it because i will not.