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[holydonut2k1]

Too bad they can't mute the ES/BS and not make it shake the screen... but this works. IMO the range is still too great. It should just be a form of Shockwave without the WubWub.

[born2beagator]

DNC Protoman wrote...

good....good.....

any nerf is good for you<_<

[Schneidend]

Secret Technique: Thunder Wave Slash Jutsu!

...It's just slower now. More hand signs required.

[CitizenThom]

Cyonan wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

I think the Slayer in the end, is still viable for farming because of the Range and Damage of Biotic Slash, the cooldown isn't as critical, as long as it's not 10 seconds... so long as there is some other class available to do rapid detonations short range... the Slayer's role is mostly to thin out the herd when farming.

To be fair, I'm more concerned about the Slayer in a non farm setup. I'm not going to make wild claims of "unviable on even silver!" or anything like that, but he certainly took a hit when he was already underperforming if not in a farm setup, in my opinion.

Smash and Slashes both have lengthy animations that leave you incredibly vulnerable if you don't have a wall to sit behind and spam. The Shadow can pretend she has a wall since she has Tactical Cloak, but the Slayer doesn't have anything, and he can't Charge to regenerate shields as quickly after a Biotic Slash now.

A skilled player is still going to be able to clear Platinum with a team of Slayers not using a camping strat, but I suspect that for the average player, I will see even less Slayers in my pugs as I don't  play White/Geth or camp that small room on Glacier. They were already pretty rare to see. 

In my opinion... in a non-farming (let's say non-camping, everyone is technically farming in some capacity) situation, Slayer seems to work a lot better around a Phase Disruptor x2/ x4 --> Biotic Charge play style than a Biotic Slash centered build.

When I'm simply playing with a Slayer or Shadow, the Slashes are a niche ability rather than a primary one. I don't think the nerf does too much harm to either class (yet). Very different from the Cerberus Adept... who really was gutted by slowing down smash without adding some sort of damage mitigation or higher health/barrier to make up for the nerf of Smash, because they don't have any other means of producing damage beyond a firearm (and they don't really have the health/barrier to allow them to play like a soldier or sentinel.

[robgfaulkner]

staindgrey wrote...

It's not useless. The nerf was needed so that the Shadow class could be used as something besides "stand behind this wall, shake screen the whole match".

ES is incredibly useful and turns the Shadow into a very viable class. Not having it would make her a very niche character. Having a long range option without the necessity of a scoped weapon leaves open the idea of a CQC Infiltrator, which was the whole point to begin with.

But a nerf was needed; any Shadow I played with just stayed behind a certain wall and spammed. Was otherwise useless.

Well I'm sure your planning to jump out from behind the wall now and do what?  Get splattered into the ground from the 3 or 4 shots that can easily put you down?  I'm not pro-spamming ES, god knows I have done it farming... but I guarantee you, this only makes the Shadow / Slayer weaker classes.  Im anti-Nerfing.  And this nerf is stupid.  It just hurts a class that is already lacking when finding a niche to fill.

[Star fury]

Hopefully see less spammers in PUGs. Shadow is too good to spam slash.

[Emissary of the Collectors]

Maybe now people will grow a pair and use them as melee builds as intended

[mikepaul]

Chealec wrote...

Lord Chun wrote...
I never used it anyway Im always too busy cutting stuff

^ ayup; I realised that I basically only use it occasionally to knock stuff on its arse so I can unload on it with the Hurricane a couple of days ago, and actually re-specced Electric Slash down to 4 last night... perfect timing

Wow.  You guys must never have stayed inside the circle during a hack.  Me, I liked the idea of preventing groups of enemies from just stomping all over us, while staying inside the circle like one is supposed to do.

Yes, you are supposed to be inside the circle.  The people who don't stay are just score building, not helping get the darn hack over quickly...

[Tallgeese_VII]

Just about damn time

[Yosuke]

Ehhh, the slayer is an invincible slashing ninja if you know what you're doing. Maybe more people will come out from behind their walls long enough to realize that... but probably not.

[kevchy]

I never spammed ES when I'm playing as an N7 Shadow. Sometimes I forgot I have this power. Therefore, I'm not affected by this nerf.

The Slayer, on the other, hand.....hmm, I will need to test it out tomorrow. Then again, I seldom use this character on Gold.

[known_hero]

This nerf hurts the Shadow class?

Hahahahahahaha!

You've got to be kidding me, the shadow is one of the most deadly classes in the game even without ES. A minor cooldown decrease doesn't change that.

[luciox]

mikepaul wrote...

Chealec wrote...

Lord Chun wrote...
I never used it anyway Im always too busy cutting stuff

^ ayup; I realised that I basically only use it occasionally to knock stuff on its arse so I can unload on it with the Hurricane a couple of days ago, and actually re-specced Electric Slash down to 4 last night... perfect timing

Wow.  You guys must never have stayed inside the circle during a hack.  Me, I liked the idea of preventing groups of enemies from just stomping all over us, while staying inside the circle like one is supposed to do.

Yes, you are supposed to be inside the circle.  The people who don't stay are just score building, not helping get the darn hack over quickly...

You cannot do that as good as before now. In hacking, shadow suppose to stay in cycle when SS require shadow to leave. Without SS, shadow lack ability to damage. So basicly either you do nothing useful in the cycle or you got hated by trying to get more score 

[donnyrides]

as long as it goes through walls, it will get used and abused no matter what. I think nerfing the range would have been more punishing.

[ryoldschool]

robgfaulkner wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

It's not useless. The nerf was needed so that the Shadow class could be used as something besides "stand behind this wall, shake screen the whole match".

ES is incredibly useful and turns the Shadow into a very viable class. Not having it would make her a very niche character. Having a long range option without the necessity of a scoped weapon leaves open the idea of a CQC Infiltrator, which was the whole point to begin with.

But a nerf was needed; any Shadow I played with just stayed behind a certain wall and spammed. Was otherwise useless.

Well I'm sure your planning to jump out from behind the wall now and do what?  Get splattered into the ground from the 3 or 4 shots that can easily put you down?  I'm not pro-spamming ES, god knows I have done it farming... but I guarantee you, this only makes the Shadow / Slayer weaker classes.  Im anti-Nerfing.  And this nerf is stupid.  It just hurts a class that is already lacking when finding a niche to fill.

You just need to use a different tactic with the shadow.   Micah3sixty's guide is great.  I played like 8 gold matches this weekend and its a lot of fun, hardly used ES at all.

I think the nerf was targeted at people who spam it on wbwgg and glacier.  Its really one of the more interesting classes to play - and the Shadow Strike works kinda like charge but I have nerver glitched.  Only once did I SS and moved out of bounds when I SS a trooper, but I killed him, then dropped down under the map, then showed up in the LZ.

[Major Durza]

And not a single **** was given that day.
Really, they toned it down enough for DfS to stop one of his nerf crusades. I wonder what will be next, what exploit will make farming too easy for him.

[AbhijitSM]

It doesn't make any difference to me. I don't use the slayer as i have glitched out majority of the times i played him. As for ES my shadow never uses it at all focusing mainly on SS.

[Credit2team]

luciox wrote...

Just checked the post. ES/BS got nerfed, base CD increase from 5s to 8s.
Anyone who complains about spamming ES/BS is now HAPPY.
Anyone who crying for nerfing ES/BS is now HAPPY for a while and hunting for next victium.
And most important, now, Shadow will only have builds focuse on SS valuable as ES just got it dps about 1/3 down. This means ES is kind of useless.

cry more nerf baby, BS needed a buff not nerf, but nerf hearders like you will not be happy till every gun and ability sucks and the game is dead

[Yosuke]

Yes, I don't know why people think that they need to hide behind walls... both the shadow and slayer are nigh invincible.

[luciox]

thewalrusx wrote...

luciox wrote...

Just checked the post. ES/BS got nerfed, base CD increase from 5s to 8s.
Anyone who complains about spamming ES/BS is now HAPPY.
Anyone who crying for nerfing ES/BS is now HAPPY for a while and hunting for next victium.
And most important, now, Shadow will only have builds focuse on SS valuable as ES just got it dps about 1/3 down. This means ES is kind of useless.

cry more nerf baby, BS needed a buff not nerf, but nerf hearders like you will not be happy till every gun and ability sucks and the game is dead

It is me not making my point clear or you misunderstand me?

I hate nerfers. FYI

[craigy38]

to the guys who wanted this nerf,stop celebrating, equip a level 3 power efficiency module and its still gonna get spammed just the same.

[luciox]

craigy38 wrote...

to the guys who wanted this nerf,stop celebrating, equip a level 3 power efficiency module and its still gonna get spammed just the same.

Say that to DfS, NOT ME.

[Mgamerz]

Buffs. Have them, BSN has.

[Maker MEDA]

Shockwave doesn't do anything. Eh, I'm not sure it needs to be 8 second delay, I think 7 seconds is already pretty profound. But it was overly cheap to begin with, a good attempt at a fix. I guess I'll equip more recharge speed Gears to compensate.

[sliverofamoon]

Cyonan wrote...

It changes nothing.

The farmers who were spamming these abilities will just move to the next best thing, which might still even be the Slashes for them. People will still complain that whatever they're using is "OP".

I'm still not going to see a lot of Shadow or Slayers in my non farming games. Probably less now that they've been nerfed. Especially the Slayer since this hits him harder than it hits the Shadow for a non camping setup.

I agree... and very well said.