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[aarnold1]

I've never seen BS, ES, or Shockwave used for farming, but whatever.

So what do we ask to have nerfed next? How about Devestator Mode? How about the Claymore? How about the GI by another 5% damage reduction? Sky is the limit! Or maybe that should be Ground is the limit.

[Darimaru]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

luciox wrote...

This means ES is kind of useless.

False. 

Quoted

[aarnold1]

Drake Malice wrote...

Maybe now people will grow a pair and use them as melee builds as intended

For Bronze and Silver, yeah.  Good luck with anything else.  Melee just doens't work with Gold and Plat.  Do much death.

[craigy38]

luciox wrote...

craigy38 wrote...

to the guys who wanted this nerf,stop celebrating, equip a level 3 power efficiency module and its still gonna get spammed just the same.

Say that to DfS, NOT ME.

was,nt meant as a dig dude just stating a fact,we all know its gonna happen

[MuKen]

People who say it changes nothing were simply not using all the cancels available to the Shadow. ES was a huge speedup to cloak CDs, allowing even a non-spam Shadow to greatly increase her kill rate. Now it has the same CD as SS.

This nerf hurt the most skilled Shadow players, and it didn't stop what it was intended to stop, people are still going to be spammers, they'll just take the recharge evo and some CD gear and equipment. If they wanted to stop the spammers, they should have nerfed the damage and range, and left the CD alone so the good Shadows could keep doing what they were doing.

[Immortal Strife]

I'll test my shadow and see if two Electric Slashes is still viable with the bonus power perk. If it is not, I have to rethink my build. Currently I have a 6/6/6/4/4 build with max damage on ES and SS. If I can't double up the slashes then a 5/6/6/6/5/4 may be in order-god I hope it works cause that would a strange build.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 21 août 2012 - 06:47 .

[Zjarcal]

Wow, Electric Slash now has a 2.46 second cooldown at 200% cooldown for me, and that's without having taken the cooldown reduction evolution... totally "useless".

What a load of stupidity.

[Dup3r]

From all I've read, it seems that a bit more consideration for other players, being aware of your surroundings and using the whole character would go a long ways to these problems. I don't know how many times I've lashed an enemy out "from under someone" as they go to melee them. I don't like doing that, it's rude. But sometimes the timing is just that way.

Same with slash or smash. be aware of who you're standing around (when possible) Granted, when you're in a HACK goal, then things change a bit. You're being swarmed and these characters are trying to deal the most damage possible while staying in the upload zone. This is a bigger problem on PC as very VERY few folks use comms (talk).

If I'm in with lower level characters with my 20 lv Destroyer, I'll hang back a bit and support them and try to keep the big guys off of them. Stuff like that. If I want a slaughter-fest, I can always solo a mission.

[DVS27t]

luciox wrote...

Just checked the post. ES/BS got nerfed, base CD increase from 5s to 8s.
Anyone who complains about spamming ES/BS is now HAPPY.
Anyone who crying for nerfing ES/BS is now HAPPY for a while and hunting for next victium.
And most important, now, Shadow will only have builds focuse on SS valuable as ES just got it dps about 1/3 down. This means ES is kind of useless.

People will still spam it.  Only, they won't kill things as quickly and will need to get carried. 

People won't be happy in the long run.  The complaints are only starting.

[known_hero]

MuKen wrote...

People who say it changes nothing were simply not using all the cancels available to the Shadow. ES was a huge speedup to cloak CDs, allowing even a non-spam Shadow to greatly increase her kill rate. Now it has the same CD as SS.

This nerf hurt the most skilled Shadow players, and it didn't stop what it was intended to stop, people are still going to be spammers, they'll just take the recharge evo and some CD gear and equipment. If they wanted to stop the spammers, they should have nerfed the damage and range, and left the CD alone so the good Shadows could keep doing what they were doing.

You would rather have a damage and range nerf than a minor cooldown nerf?

Are you serious?

[UKStory135]

I think it is funny that they nerfed two powers that I rarely spec into.

[robgfaulkner]

Yosuke wrote...

Yes, I don't know why people think that they need to hide behind walls... both the shadow and slayer are nigh invincible.

Krogan Sarcasm!!  Love it.

[Lucius Aelius]

I already disliked both of those powers, so yeah actually I am happy, maybe people will stop spamming powers ad nauseam and actually start playing the game (a fool's hope, I know...)

[Arppis]

Asebstos wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

First they came for the Cerberus Smashers, Next the Biotic and Electric Slashers, Human and Batarian Shockwavers still have another week of farming though.

The lower damage makes shockwave less attractive to farmers.

This and same for Snap Freeze.

[MuKen]

known_hero wrote...

MuKen wrote...

People who say it changes nothing were simply not using all the cancels available to the Shadow. ES was a huge speedup to cloak CDs, allowing even a non-spam Shadow to greatly increase her kill rate. Now it has the same CD as SS.

This nerf hurt the most skilled Shadow players, and it didn't stop what it was intended to stop, people are still going to be spammers, they'll just take the recharge evo and some CD gear and equipment. If they wanted to stop the spammers, they should have nerfed the damage and range, and left the CD alone so the good Shadows could keep doing what they were doing.

You would rather have a damage and range nerf than a minor cooldown nerf?

Are you serious?

Yes absolutely.  Good Shadows use electric slash FOR the cooldown.

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/63458982 

I don't care or want for the ES spam to be a useful tool.

[JaimeBaby]

Complete meltdown. Get a grip, OP.

[DNC Protoman]

I can't wait to spam ES with radius and recharge speed evos selected

[LeandroBraz]

luciox wrote...

Just checked the post. ES/BS got nerfed, base CD increase from 5s to 8s.
Anyone who complains about spamming ES/BS is now HAPPY.
Anyone who crying for nerfing ES/BS is now HAPPY for a while and hunting for next victium.
And most important, now, Shadow will only have builds focuse on SS valuable as ES just got it dps about 1/3 down. This means ES is kind of useless.

I there you guys to create a anti-nerf thread that don't use the word "useless"..


I double dare you...

[ZoM_Head]

luciox wrote...

Just checked the post. ES/BS got nerfed, base CD increase from 5s to 8s.
Anyone who complains about spamming ES/BS is now HAPPY.
Anyone who crying for nerfing ES/BS is now HAPPY for a while and hunting for next victium.
And most important, now, Shadow will only have builds focuse on SS valuable as ES just got it dps about 1/3 down. This means ES is kind of useless.

I use the M8 on Gold and i always come on top of the scoreboard against those with Harriers/Typhoons.

Why don't we nerf the M8? because not everyone is using it?

Im sad about anything that get's nerfed, it just means more cod/bf players come in, cry, complain, get heard and get what they want. While exploits, glitches and bugs since launch are still in the game (rocket trooper shooting through walls anyone? 30 foot banshee grab? etc).

Whatever, the game is getting filled with such cry babies, only a matter of time before it dies out. (sadly).

[Micah3sixty]

luciox wrote...

This is not a matter of fact about the Nerf or how the Nerf will effect Shadow/slayer.
This is about the people who keep bring up ideas about nerf. Nerf this Nerf that, acting like they know everything. Now it seems that they got what they want for this time. And I am looking forward to seeing what will be the next.

You seem to think the boards are the final determination of balance changes.  I doubt that is the case.  In all likelyhood, BW runs reports that spit out kit trends.  The more a particular kit is used above average, the more likely that kit to have OP qualities.  Vanguards (except Cerberus and Slayer), are rarities in most Gold matches I join, which may be why they were buffed, due to lower use and viability.  I wish BW would post in their balances thread how balance changes are determined.

[BoomDynamite]

ES needed it, but I dunno' about Biotic Slash.

[OuterRim]

DVS27t wrote...
People will still spam it.  Only, they won't kill things as quickly and will need to get carried. 

And this is the problem with NERFING anything - it PROMOTES FARMING / CAMPING strategies because such strategies make it easier to play any map on any level of difficulty. So when BW takes away the powers, we see more and more camping / farming.

[Striker93175]

Use a scorpion... fire in between slashes now that you have a second to shoot in between power uses:

[Micah3sixty]

MuKen wrote...

known_hero wrote...

MuKen wrote...

People who say it changes nothing were simply not using all the cancels available to the Shadow. ES was a huge speedup to cloak CDs, allowing even a non-spam Shadow to greatly increase her kill rate. Now it has the same CD as SS.

This nerf hurt the most skilled Shadow players, and it didn't stop what it was intended to stop, people are still going to be spammers, they'll just take the recharge evo and some CD gear and equipment. If they wanted to stop the spammers, they should have nerfed the damage and range, and left the CD alone so the good Shadows could keep doing what they were doing.

You would rather have a damage and range nerf than a minor cooldown nerf?

Are you serious?

Yes absolutely.  Good Shadows use electric slash FOR the cooldown.

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/63458982 

I don't care or want for the ES spam to be a useful tool.

Oh brother.  Sounds like you only used ES as a cooldown shortcut for TC.  The cooldown for TC isn't that long if you keep your Shadow light, which you should be doing anyways.  The longer you stay cloaked, the longer cloak cooldown gets, so just break cloak early if you don't need it for the remaining time frame (shoot or hit cloak button again).  Easy as that.  No need to ES cooldown short cut.

[AresKeith]

yay, kill your game even faster Bioware