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[ShadowLordXII]

 As stated multiple times, this war is shaking the very foundation of civilization in Thedas.

The Chantry's on the verge of collapse due to the secession of mages, templars and seekers; Any means of containing mages are now in question; There's no telling as to what the templars will do once they start running low on lyrium and all of this is before we take into account the effect that a depowered Chantry will have on the general populace and nations that are heavily influenced by the Chantry (Namely Orlais and Nevarra)

Where do the Grey Wardens fit in all of this?  Will they be able to remain neutral despite seeing the very civilization that they swore to protect destroy itself? If they intervene, would it be through diplomacy or actively siding with one group? Oh yeah and will the populace still revere the wardens despite how one of them (Anders) started this whole war with an act of mass murder?

What about Orzammar and the dwarves? Will they try to seize power over the lyrium trade from the weakened Chantry? Or would they sit in their rooms and laugh while the humans destroy each other?  Would we see an influx of dwarves attempting to return to Orzammar, only to be barred and there's another fight right there?

What about the City and Dalish elves? With the templars focused on the now rogue mage circles, would that leave the Dalish more free to enter previously barred lands in search of their heritage? Or to head south to the Dalish Kingdom that the Ferelden monarch granted them? Would various alienages rise up in revolt, inspired by the defiance and rebellion of the mages? Would City elves become more standoffish with their human oppressors and not be afraid to die or be beaten since they'll try and do it anyway? (By 9:40 DA, plenty of people should know that the Kirkwall Circle had nothing to do with Anders' actions but they were annulled anyway)

What about the general populace?  Will life go on as usual or will the conflict draw a line in the sand for them? Will families still be cooperative with the templars and hand over their children when they're discovered to have magic potential?  Will templars even be seen in a positive light due to their secession from the Chantry? Will we see a great fall-out in people's faith in the Chantry?

What kind of mass chaos could we expect from this war?

[The Night Haunter]

Pretty much all that you mentioned plus two dozen other events are possible. You forgot the Imperial Chantry taking this opportunity to spreads its influence across Thedas once more, and the Qunari invading a divided and weakened Rivain and Antiva (they were only pushed back with Exalted Marches, meaning forces from every nation in Thedas, without a Chantry powerful enough to issue a call to arms the Qunari could roflstomp everyone one by one)

[Ausstig]

Well the Templars will look to secure their lyrium supplies, so they will buddy up with the dwarves.

More fighting means more men under arms, so the Dalish will face more angry hostile and ARMED humans so they will be less welcomed.

Will say more later.

[Wulfram]

The big issue for the Grey Wardens would be whether the a radicalised Templar order would continue to respect the status of the mages in their ranks. Otherwise they'd likely seek to mediate the situation, but I doubt they'd have much luck.

I don't think the status of Chantry and Templars is particularly relevant to the Dalish, but they could concievably take advantage of Orlais' civil war to make a move on the Dales. I don't personally get the impression they've got the military power for this, but who knows?

The City Elves would likely try to keep their heads down to avoid getting squashed.

[EricHVela]

Anyone who tries to stay out of the war simply turns their home into another resource for the war. It would simply be a matter of who's willing to create an enemy by trying to take it. (Real world history is ripe with such situations.)

It's also not just mages and templars in this war. Anyone who wants a stake in it is a threat to anyone that tries to sit on the sidelines hoping that they'll be too insignificant to notice or hoping that they're too valuable to everyone for anyone to risk losing their resources.

[EricHVela]

*edit* Looks like the forum swallowed another post.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 22 août 2012 - 03:14 .

[Huntress]

I don't see the dalish going about trying to discover of their pass with a war going.
in reallity I think many dalish clans are going to fall to the templars hunting mages ( the elves will die fighting and protecting their own mages) or blood- mages fleeing from templars and using them as a..... fuel source.

Modifié par Huntress, 22 août 2012 - 03:22 .

[Renmiri1]

If you helped that Dwarf girl go to the Circle of Magi on DAO, the Epilogue says that dwarves built a circle in Orzamar - a circle free from the chantry.

Would be an interesting thing in the mage / templar war. A Circle not controlled by them and right at the source of lyrium 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 22 août 2012 - 04:51 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Having mages free would be a big freaking win for the Wardens.

Normally the Chantry only allows them to have a handful of mages. Which is stupid because mages are generally very powerful opponents for the Darkspawn.(Sometimes you'd think that the Chantry wants the Blight to destroy the world.)

[The Night Haunter]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Having mages free would be a big freaking win for the Wardens.

Normally the Chantry only allows them to have a handful of mages. Which is stupid because mages are generally very powerful opponents for the Darkspawn.(Sometimes you'd think that the Chantry wants the Blight to destroy the world.)

Well considering the world thought Darkspawn were history after the 4th blight and all we really see of Grey Wardens are a handful in Ferelden and a few in Legacy we don't actually know how many mages they have. If they have few it might be because the Chantry thought blights were all done and tightned control. But Wardens have enough mages to tear the fade in Ferelden (Wardens Keep) make a giant prison under the Free Marches (Legacy) and send regular expeditions into the deep roads.

Personally I doubt the grey wardens will get involved, they are supposed to be politically neutral. In Fereldan they got banished when they took a side.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

We've already seen the Templars try to infiltrate the Wardens to get at Anders if you read Anders short-story on the DA2's offical website. I believe this happens when the Warden Commander goes to fight the Harvester in the dlc or go hunt Morrigan down in WH. This is the reason that Anders left the Wardens to begin with and make his way to Kirkwall to save Karl. So yes, it will be interesting to see what happens with the Templars and Grey Wardens. Wardens do need mages to fight darkspawn. I'm sure the Chantry and Circles both already realized this because of mages and templars both being at Ostagar with King Cailan. I'm sure the new Divine understands because of Leliana being with the Wardens in Ferelden to defend against the blight. I'd also hazard a guess and say there will be Templars or Lord Seekers like Lambert who won't care and still charge on in to try and take mages from the Wardens. This would be a great fight in my opinion, but I see the Wardens having an edge due to the taint. I don't see the Wardens giving up their mages. No way that is going to happen. I'd say they broker a deal of some kind.

I also don't see the Dalish Elves just allowing former Templars to just come in and take their Keepers. A clan can't survive without their Keeper. The Dalish would fight to the death over that.

The city elves that is a hard call. But I do think they'd help hide Keepers from Templars or Seekers. We saw in DA2 the respect the City Elves showed to the Keeper when she arrived for the ritual during the Wayward Son quest.

The dwarves once again is hard to say. We know that former Templars will need to do something about their lyrium addiction. The dwarves are all about gold, so I see them siding with both to obtain the most gold to rebuild their empires with the Wardens help in the deep roads. They will need gold to do that. I do see the dwarves taking over the lyrium trade from the Chantry.

I can't help but feel this is also another reason that many Templars are in rebellion from the Chantry because the Chantry turned them into drug addicts. It might happen that many former Templars will seek refugee in Orzammar and help the dwarves with darkspawn just for lyrium. How would that affect Wardens then?

It might not be a good idea for the Dalish to make a move on the Dales because of Trevinter. I think they should wait it out for awhile or go to Ferelden and see what happens first. I also see alot of mages running to Ferelden where it appears in DA2 that King Alistair has given them shelter against the chantry. I also see many mages running to the Wardens as well.

@ Ghostmessiah, the Wardens got banished because Sophia Dryden and the Dryden's have royal blood. The Drydens are related to Calenhad in someway; Sophia Dryden was fighting for her throne and she was forced to become a Grey Warden. Since she was a Grey Warden and Commander, the Wardens in Ferelden at the time sided with her. King Arland was a tyrant killing anyone and everyone. If your Warden is a Cousland you also discover your former ancestor supported Sophia Dryden and The Wardens in that action. Levi Dryden is trying to find documents to prove his claim and the landsmeet would have had three contenders for Ferelden's throne not just between Alistair, and Anora.

The Wardens may say they are netural but time and time again in the games they have been forced to take sides. If you read about the Wardens in the Anderfels and what Riordan also says, the Wardens sit the Throne in the Anderfels, so how is that not taking political sides? The Wardens in the Anderfels are strict Andrastians also. I think the best cliff hanger is who will the Wardens side with? I see this being a big part and question that does need to be answered in DA3 or something shown on this. I'd love to see this type of situation in DA3...a battle between Templars/Seekers/Inquistors and Wardens and their Commanders. I'd love to get a glimpse also of the First Warden. We don't know much about the First Warden and have never seen one. I hope this gets added as well.

[Renmiri1]

Wardens are not saints, as we see in "The Calling", they can get very petty about those thankless citizens they protect and get very loose on their "anything to avoid a Blight" main goal. Including killing most of the population 

Dwarfs respect Wardens a lot, if the Wardens take sides and protect the mages, I bet the dwarfs would join them. Besides Grey Wardens have cleared Kal'Hyrol and Ortan Taig and helped crown a dwarf king just recently so they are very much in the mind of any dwarf, right now.

Unlike humans who see few uses for the Wardens. Most humans have only heard of a Blight 400 years ago and a recent "mini-Blight" in Ferelden that some people out of Ferelden don't even believe was a real Blight.

Also Wardens NEED mages to prepare the joining concoction, it is hard to prepare and it is not only composed of darkspawn blood. And they need mages to secure their prisons. That alone would make Wardens more inclined to take the side of mages. Templars resent the Warden's authority and prestige and have nothing to offer to Wardens that Wardens can't get anywhere else.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 23 août 2012 - 05:08 .

[IanPolaris]

Don't forget that Templars clearly resent the fact that Warden mages are *completely* beyond the oversight of the chantry (and thus themselves) even to the point where some were willing to go rogue in order to fight the warden including the Warden Commander of Fereldan in spite of a direct Royal Command.

-Polaris

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Exactly Ian. Even the Grand Cleric in DA2 puts the pesky Petrice in her place and says the Chantry is not above the law. In Ferelden that would make Alistair or Anora the highest lawmakers in the land so the Templar in DAA did go against the law even though she tried to say the King/Queen had no right to make that decision. I would agree that the Templars for along time have resented the Wardens being a haven for mages. I guess you could say that even Knight Commander Greagoir (sp?) also gives this sentiment in a way when you first visit the Cirlce Tower for the Broken Circle Quest.

[Lazy Jer]

The way I see it:

The Grey Wardens:  The goal of the Grey Wardens is to protect society, yes, but from a specific threat.  Their concern is the darkspawn, period end of sentence.  If the mage-templar conflict doesn't threaten to loose darkspawn on the surface or start another blight then they won't get involved.  It's not just being stubborn either.  It's partially to guarantee that if there is another blight then they can get help from both parties, mage and templar both.

Orzammar:  Business as usual.  They have no particular reason to help the mages and no particular allegiance to the Chantry.  Use of lyruim from both parties go up, so chance to trade and profits go up as well.  In the end, it's a surfacer civil war, it's the surfacer's problem.  There's also no reason to believe that the surface dwarves will try and get back underground.  They were either born up there, or they knew what they were leaving behind when they left.

The Daleish:  More isolationism.  More avoiding Templars.  The Temps and the Daleish weren't exactly on each other's Christmas Card lists to begin with.  Now that they tempies have their leash taken off the Daleish will have all the more reason to avoid these people.  That goes for the mages too.  The best way to avoid the tempies...reduce the number of mages you associate with.  Who are the temps going to be more concerned with, a single keeper in a Daleish clan they may not even be able to find, or a group of mages living on a abandoned farm somewhere doing Maker knows what?

The City Elves:  Great...now in addition to the posters everywhere reminding that City Elves aren't allowed to own or carry weapons, there are posters reminding them about how dangerous mages are and exactly what happens if they're caught harboring mages.  Only now the Daleish are harder to find.  Outside of that, more or less like the general population.

The General Population:  They just want to be left to their peaceful lives.  They won't be.  There will be city-based conflicts and they will get caught up in the middle.

[dragonflight288]

Lazy Jer wrote...

The way I see it:

The Grey Wardens:  The goal of the Grey Wardens is to protect society, yes, but from a specific threat.  Their concern is the darkspawn, period end of sentence.  If the mage-templar conflict doesn't threaten to loose darkspawn on the surface or start another blight then they won't get involved.  It's not just being stubborn either.  It's partially to guarantee that if there is another blight then they can get help from both parties, mage and templar both.

Orzammar:  Business as usual.  They have no particular reason to help the mages and no particular allegiance to the Chantry.  Use of lyruim from both parties go up, so chance to trade and profits go up as well.  In the end, it's a surfacer civil war, it's the surfacer's problem.  There's also no reason to believe that the surface dwarves will try and get back underground.  They were either born up there, or they knew what they were leaving behind when they left.

The Daleish:  More isolationism.  More avoiding Templars.  The Temps and the Daleish weren't exactly on each other's Christmas Card lists to begin with.  Now that they tempies have their leash taken off the Daleish will have all the more reason to avoid these people.  That goes for the mages too.  The best way to avoid the tempies...reduce the number of mages you associate with.  Who are the temps going to be more concerned with, a single keeper in a Daleish clan they may not even be able to find, or a group of mages living on a abandoned farm somewhere doing Maker knows what?

The City Elves:  Great...now in addition to the posters everywhere reminding that City Elves aren't allowed to own or carry weapons, there are posters reminding them about how dangerous mages are and exactly what happens if they're caught harboring mages.  Only now the Daleish are harder to find.  Outside of that, more or less like the general population.

The General Population:  They just want to be left to their peaceful lives.  They won't be.  There will be city-based conflicts and they will get caught up in the middle.

I think that's a pretty accurate assessment. The dwarves don't care about surfacer problems. All they care about is the darkspawn, tradition, and hopefully taking back their lost thaigs while also killing each other in family feuds.

[The Six Path of Pain]

I can see the Templars ordering the Grey Wardens to surrender their mage members.Then I can see the Grey Wardens telling the Templars"To Kiss My A**".Or at least that's what my Warden would do lol...As for the Dwarve and the Dalish I doubt they will even care.The general populace is just going to get caught in the cross fire.

[Treacherous J Slither]

The Wardens need the mages. They would have to side with the mages simply to keep their organization going. It's a no brainer. Can't have a Warden without the Joining. Can't have the Joining without a mage. Simple.

[dragonflight288]

JSlither wrote...

The Wardens need the mages. They would have to side with the mages simply to keep their organization going. It's a no brainer. Can't have a Warden without the Joining. Can't have the Joining without a mage. Simple.

And the Wardens by virtue of having hardy constitutions and being exemplary in their skills (not just anyone is chosen as a recruit to be a warden) that having a even non-mage grey wardens in a small group is like having a small army on your side. The templars would have a very tough fight if they tried to take the mages away from the Wardens.

Granted, given the recruiting methods and religious zeal of the templars, adding in past practices of templars infiltrating the order to keep an eye on mages (Anders short story) or even trying to illegally take them (Awakening,) I think the templars would be stupid enough to try.

[Treacherous J Slither]

^I concur 100%