they won't be able to do a sequel without canon. They will have to create 3 completely different games because of the endings. Not only will EA not give them the time but they won't want to do that much work on the next ME game.
Say NO to a canon ending...
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Versus Omnibus
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#77
Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 04:16
GarvakD
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Only Canon if Refuse or Destroy.
Otherwise...yes. IMPORT.
Otherwise...yes. IMPORT.
#78
Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 04:20
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The moment canon is declared I'm done with this damn franchise for good.
It will go the way of Starcraft.
It will go the way of Starcraft.
#79
Posté 20 septembre 2012 - 04:30
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Unless they make four seperate games, its impossible to not have a general canon. Heck, even ME3 does - despite them claiming otherwise pre-launch.
Synthesis has completely changed the galaxy. Control neuters the Reapers and turns them into a police state which renders any future conflict pretty much forgone conclusions. Destroy removes the Reapers and trashes the galaxy. Refuse means the Reapers are still at large and winning.
Its not like they can even pull a Dues Ex and make the endings subtle enough to be a secret in the sequel. The galaxy is going to be fundamentally different.
Its not like it can even be set in the future to smoothen out what happened. There needs to be canon, at least somewhat restrictive in that there still needs to be a galaxy with Relay technology and individual species.
Honestly Destroy is the only viable option from the literal endings.
Synthesis has completely changed the galaxy. Control neuters the Reapers and turns them into a police state which renders any future conflict pretty much forgone conclusions. Destroy removes the Reapers and trashes the galaxy. Refuse means the Reapers are still at large and winning.
Its not like they can even pull a Dues Ex and make the endings subtle enough to be a secret in the sequel. The galaxy is going to be fundamentally different.
Its not like it can even be set in the future to smoothen out what happened. There needs to be canon, at least somewhat restrictive in that there still needs to be a galaxy with Relay technology and individual species.
Honestly Destroy is the only viable option from the literal endings.
#80
Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 02:45
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Uncle Jo wrote...
Really? They're dead only in Destroy. Furthermore you're only considering the fate of the synthetics/reapers. What about the rest of the galaxy?GiarcYekrub wrote...
Uncle Jo wrote...
Not sure if serious...Versus Omnibus wrote...
And say YES that we should import our endings (Destroy, Control, and Synthesis) to ME4 if it takes place after 3.
Couldyou even imagine how incredibly difficult it would be to write a different scenario for each ending and its consequences and make it fit with the main plot of the sequel?
You've seen how our choices (ME1 and ME2) were handled in ME3 and yet you want a ME4 taking all the dramatic, galactic changes that resulted from the red/blue/green ending into account?
Wake up.
I don't think its that hard really the Reapers and Synthetics are Dead/Missing
The galactic (political, military...) balance is fundamentally different between Destroy, Control and Synthesis. The outcome as well.
There are just too many variables (Synthesis and the place of the husks and the Reapers in the galaxy, the "new possibilities" offered by the green space magic , "paragon/renegade" Reapergod Shep, good/bad Destroy (Earth and the other planets hit by the red wave), Shep alive or not, Krogan cured or not, rebelling or following the galaxy rules, Geth alive or not, Leviathan messing with the galaxy again or not... just to mention some of them) to be integrated in one game. This just as premise and to give the background for ME4's story itself.
Be realistic, it's an impossible task.
All can be explainable in maybe a dedicated 20min starting mission, if DA:O can deal with Human,Elf,Mage origins it can deal with the differences between Genocide,Synthsis,Control What are the differences?
-Reapers Alive or Dead... Solution make them not there regardless(like Rachni in ME2)
-Sheppard Alive or Dead... Solution Optional cameo like Alastair in DA2 or set after s/he dies off naturally
-Rannoch and Tuchanka situation... Solution Don't send the story to Rannoch or Tuchanka pay lip service to previous choices
-Geth/AI's, My personal preference is to have a Geth/AI squad mate with alternative personalitys dependent on synthsis or control or missing like Tali and Garus if Genocide was picked
#81
Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 02:54
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Assuming a canon ending is required for a sequel is a sign of weakminded indoctrination. Sorry to the poor sheep who now flock to the Canon Theory like they flocked to the Indoctrination Theory before (and kuddos to those who don't fall for it this time!).
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If I can think of one means to solve or circumvent the mess of endings in ME3, I'm sure some capable writers can find even better means, or work these out into something even better. Really, if you like canon endings, go play KotOR. Your ending has already been decided there, and if you choose differently, YOU LOSE.
(start shameless plug link) A CANON ENDING IS NOT NECESSARY (end shameless plug link)
If I can think of one means to solve or circumvent the mess of endings in ME3, I'm sure some capable writers can find even better means, or work these out into something even better. Really, if you like canon endings, go play KotOR. Your ending has already been decided there, and if you choose differently, YOU LOSE.
#82
Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 03:41
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ATiBotka wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Say YES to refuse canon.
God please no!
#83
Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 03:53
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It wouldnt be that ahrd for them to do really if you think about it.
Besides there's ALWAYS some form of "canon" throughout all 3 games.
Certain things are ALWAYS assumed to have or did happen (Shepard's a spectre, stopped saren and sovreign, died, resurrected, beat collectors and ultimately saved galaxy), Refuse is basically the equivalent of shepard dying in the SM in ME2. So that obviously wouldnt be taken into consideration.
But depending on how they plan out ME4, other than casual references they could really work with any ending depending on how they framed the story. Just like ME2 or ME3 took place.
But there's ALWAYS going to be SOME canon, there has to be for story coherence.
Besides there's ALWAYS some form of "canon" throughout all 3 games.
Certain things are ALWAYS assumed to have or did happen (Shepard's a spectre, stopped saren and sovreign, died, resurrected, beat collectors and ultimately saved galaxy), Refuse is basically the equivalent of shepard dying in the SM in ME2. So that obviously wouldnt be taken into consideration.
But depending on how they plan out ME4, other than casual references they could really work with any ending depending on how they framed the story. Just like ME2 or ME3 took place.
But there's ALWAYS going to be SOME canon, there has to be for story coherence.
#84
Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 04:23
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Versus Omnibus wrote...
And say YES that we should import our endings (Destroy, Control, and Synthesis) to ME4 if it takes place after 3.
If Bioware do it, and I will quote this post saying "I told you" in case it happen, be sure that you will get generic consequences for each end (and other decisions we did), so they can fit all in a very similar history, exactly one of the complains about ME3, our decisions don't really matter, it change some details, but in the end it is the same thing (like the rachni plot). You won't enjoy it, be sure of it.
It's a lot, lot better if they choose one end and decisions choices, and make a canon. We can't see what would happen for every decision we did, it's impossible to do such game, unless they want to put a lot of money and time on it (won't happen), but we can see one of this possible scenarios, so why sacrifice it? Why exchange the possibility to see one of this possible futures with quality, just to get a generic story that fit all possibilities and respect your decision?
Really guys, stop asking for that, before it's too late, before Bioware decide to do your will. You don't know what you are asking, you are not being realistic. You will got exactly what you don't want, what you didn't liked on ME3, amplied and worse. If they do a pos ME3 game, we MUST have a canon for the trilogy, at least for major decisions and the end, minor decisions that don't affect the history could be imported. It's impossible to keep importing save forever, unless they keep everything very generic..
You guys must understand that the trilogy is a closed plot. We had the chance to see our version of the history for 3 games, nice, but it's over! Now is a new story that require a solid foundation, a canon.
#85
Posté 05 octobre 2012 - 12:40
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Shanook wrote...
I really hope they don't make a ME4. Even if ME3 had been absolutely perfect and I had zero complaints about it, I would not want a ME4. It was planned as a trilogy; leave it as a trilogy.
agreed
