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[Patchwork]

I liked her in ME2, I liked the 'we're the same but different' approach they took to A.I. sentience. I didn't like the Pinocchio plot but I hate, absolutely hate, the need Bioware has to sex up their female characters.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Porenferser wrote...
And the rest of her dialogues aren't very interesting either.
Typical *robot searches for his sense of existence*.
Bad Legion-clone.

Lets use that wise spirit to define a few other characters. Grunt is a bad Wrex-clone. Garrus is a bad Batman-clone.

I'm sorry, but other than being AI's, what does Legion and EDI have in common? I'm seeing buzzwords like Legion-clone and sexbot, but I'm honestly wondering if they're legitimate arguments or simply catchphrases repeated ad nauseum.

Legion, an avatar of the geth consensus, is distinctly different from EDI. Different personalities, different background, different preferences, different goals.

Hell, Legion and the geth had far worse development in ME3 than EDI. EDI wanting to be more human is understandable given the fact that she spent her existence most around humans and was built by a human organization. Legion and the geth had no reason to want to be individuals.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 22 août 2012 - 10:08 .

[Fixers0]

 Apart from subjective feelings on it's character there is a good and objective reason why people didn't like it, that is, that it's existance severly damaged the  quality of storytelling throughout the second and third installment, to really emphasize upon this point, count how many  times EDI said sentences like this: ''i've scanned''  or ''i've detected'' throughout missions in order to provide the player with simple plot information.

Now the point i'm trying to make here is that it, spells things out for the players, effectively reducing Shepard to a passive and bumbling protaganist, not to mention it being lame storytelling technique which i would qualify under ''bad writing'', if Shepard was actively uncovering and discovering the universe and enviroments that would make for a hell of lot better game. 
 

[Ryoten]

I liked her as the eye ball. If they had to give her a body, lighten up on the sexuality.

[Helios969]

Massa FX wrote...

@Helios I don't agree. The Quarians didn't want to work with the Geth. The were afraid and thought to gain control of their creations. Failing that they tried to destroy the Geth.

Where in what I wrote says kill EDI?

(... in another thread i did support Javiks way of thinking, but not here.)

Guess I didn't understand what you were trying to get at.  Seemed like you were opposed to EDI-AI evolving to more humanlike and less machine.  I would argue that not encouraging EDI to explore her "humanity" could be disasterous, given her inauspicious start to her awareness.

[EnvyTB075]

I liked her. Then they put her in a body so obviously designed to send male tongues waggling it was disgusting and she was ruined.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 22 août 2012 - 11:37 .

[Porenferser]

Grunt is a bad Wrex-clone.

He is

Garrus is a bad Batman-clone.

Why does everyone bring up those 2?
They have nothing in common.
Garrus is far more like a milder version of the Punisher.

And I meant the whole *robot becomes human* thing.
But EDI was far more annoying than Legion about it.
Every second conversation starts with *I have a question*.

Modifié par Porenferser, 22 août 2012 - 10:14 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Ryoten wrote...

I liked her as the eye ball. If they had to give her a body, lighten up on the sexuality.

The character/dialogue or the robot body? I agree about the robot body. As for character/dialogue, where's the sexuality again?

[RadicalDisconnect]

Porenferser wrote...

Grunt is a bad Wrex-clone.

He is

Garrus is a bad Batman-clone.

Why does everyone bring up those 2?
They have nothing in common.
Garrus is far more like a milder version of the Punisher.

And I meant the whole *robot becomes human* thing.
But EDI was far more annoying than Legion about.
Every second conversation starts with *I have a question*.

Well, if you find her to be more annoying, then it's your opinion and I can accept that. However, the Legion-clone argument holds no water. Legion didn't want to become more human; as far as anthropomorphism goes, ME3 only went as far as making the geth do a complete 180 from ME2 and decide to become individuals. EDI, on the other hand, was already anthropomorphized and was referred to as "her" and "she" in ME2.

On another note, even though I don't like how the geth wanted to be individuals in ME3, being a sentient individual doesn't mean they want to become human. I mean, does that mean that every sentient individual is a human?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 22 août 2012 - 10:22 .

[mmmu]

I like EDI. She's awesome. James is fine, too.

[nos_astra]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...
I'm sorry, but other than being AI's, what does Legion and EDI have in common? I'm seeing buzzwords like Legion-clone and sexbot, but I'm honestly wondering if they're legitimate arguments or simply catchphrases repeated ad nauseum.

Legion, an avatar of the geth consensus, is distinctly different from EDI. Different personalities, different background, different preferences, different goals.

Hell, Legion and the geth had far worse development in ME3 than EDI. EDI wanting to be more human is understandable given the fact that she spent her existence most around humans and was built by a human organization. Legion and the geth had no reason to want to be individuals.

Both have a very similar character arc: Find true sentience. It's sad actually because it reinforces that you're only truly a sentient being when you feel and thing like we do. It's the exact same mindset that spawned Synthesis.

Modifié par klarabella, 22 août 2012 - 11:23 .

[nos_astra]

halbert986 wrote...

EDI is great. She's got the best personality of the squad. Which I find ironic, the robot is the most charismatic. She's one of the few characters I was actually excited to go and talk to after every mission. I saw no problem with the body, but then again I'm with Kenneth, I wish I were a wall.

As for James, I really didn't want to like him, but he's a close 2nd for best personality. He seems like a real person, everyone else just seems like a character. Cept Traynor, she's fun.

Sometimes I wonder if people mistake jokes and cool oneliners for personality or good characterization.

[MattFini]

arial wrote...

EDI in ME2 was a great character.

I lost all respect for her when she became a fembot

This.

ME3's use of EDI was absolutely ridiculous. 

[robertthebard]

Hey look, a poll where maybe 500 people will respond, likely less, and we'll be like "Look, a definitive answer"...

[Saans Shadow]

Edi has been one of my favorite characters since ME2. I wasn't a fan of the body which is why whenever I went out on missions with her I always had one of her clothed outfits. I think she looks better that way lol plus I never thought it made much sense having her walking around (especially the citadel) with a Cerberus tattoo on her chest.

I've already voiced my opinons on James before.  I like him for the simple fact that he is a soldier with simple pleasures and ideas, he actually reminds me of my brother so I find his character rather believable and easily likeable.  Not everybody in the Mass Effect Universe has to have complex ideas and personalities.  Real life isn't that way and never will be.

Modifié par Saans Shadow, 22 août 2012 - 11:33 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I liked her. Then they put her in a body so obviously designed to make male tongues wagging it was disgusting and she was ruined.

Pretty much this for me. I still liked her character in general, but I couldn't really look at her the same with those horrible torpedos hanging off her chassy.

[HellbirdIV]

I liked the character but because I hated the Squadmate so much (Ugly body, badly thought out, useless in combat) I voted Neutral.

She should have stayed a voice in the Normandy, MAYBE with a holographic body like Avina at most.

[MattFini]

Didn't they already release stats that the vast majority of players used Garrus and Liara only?

If so, poor Javik.

Or am I hallucinating? This place moves fast, so it's entirely possible that I'm getting that confused with something else.

[Ieldra]

MattFini wrote...
Didn't they already release stats that the vast majority of players used Garrus and Liara only?

They did? WIth the way these two were pushed into our faces, it wouldn't surprise me.

If so, poor Javik.

Javik is one of the best characters in the trilogy. I have games where I took him everywhere. Along with EDI.

As for EDI, I liked her best in ME2, when she was an AI - different life unencumbered by the regrettable tendency in entertainment to sex everything up beyond the ridiculous. I still like her as a character, but I hate that they gave her a sexy body and I hate the fact that she became a team member instead of another ME2 team member.

[byarru]

I love EDI O_o
One more reason not to choose Destroy XD I'm not a murder who kills her own friends

[sistersafetypin]

Neutral. Sexbot Edi was a massive cliche

[Memnon]

I liked her in ME2 and ME3 ...