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Ms Merizan, I respectfully disagree: I do not think synthesis is inevitable.


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iSousek

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CalPal wrote...

Welp, time to bring this article out again:

http://www.extremete...o-a-single-gram

Essentially, the article states there's NO difference between computer code and DNA. This is probably the coolest science thing I've ever heard and, considering the nature of ME3, would so totally fit into the idea of synthesis.

Also, just imagine how many ****-tonnes of terabytes each Sovereign-class Reaper has floating around inside them...


Actually, the article show how they are usin artificial DNA sequencing structure for memory storage. The fact that your DNA contains information and thus 'memory' is a long before known fact.

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I see what you're saying now, Storn and by extension 3D.

I guess in my mind i'm just not reading into it that much

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Stornskar wrote...

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but 3D, outside of "understanding" the synthetics better, we are never really given in depth as to what exactly changes. From the looks of the scenes added by the EC, the species are still seperate and distinct, we all didn't change to become the same obviously, but seems more like we were "enhanced" technoorganicallyso that we "perceive" things in a better relation I guess. I'm not 100% sure.

I always just likened it a universal "ahh I see..." kind of thing.


What 3D is referring to is the literal definition of the word "synthesis." It means to combine to things that are dissimilar into one new thing. By definition that can't happen naturally ... which implies that ME3 Synthesis can't - and never will - happen naturally


There is more also implied and even said about sythesis other than just understanding. That's a technological singularity, but that isn't what the kid is talking about here.  I think people misinterpret it.

He says organics seek perfection through tech, synthetics through understanding.  Synthetics gain understanding of organics-so they understand organics, doesn't mean they won't go all killer robot anyway.  I understand a spider but I still may step on it.  And synthetics still have green "eyes".

Organics will integrate fully with synthetic technology-that's what they kid says.  He does not say to merely gain intelligence.  What he says would always have to be done artificially.  There is no way it would spontaneously occur.  If some day synthetic material ever naturally existed within us, that's not synthetic anymore, nor would it be synthesis.

The whole statement that synthesis is some pinnacle of evolution is a contradiction in terms.  If you adjust it to say people will one day spontaneously grow tech parts-well that might occur in some odd future but tech by virtue of what it is is synthetic so it's hard to see it would one day just happen.

The possibility may well exist that in some future our bodies may chemically adjust to where our thinking becomes more linear and our brains become more binary and more tech-like, but even that is a stretch since how we so far use tech is in adapting it to our needs rather than adapting to the abilities of tech.  The kid sees tech as an endstate that we adapt through the use of tech and its abilities, but people today see tech as adapting to us and our needs.  I think that's a difference.  Perfection through tech would have tech be intuitively what we want it to be.  It would not be tech that we want to become.  I'm just saying you don't want to be like your car, you want your car to adapt to your needs.

The kid sees perfection through tech as integration with tech, but people see it more as using tech.  I see that as a difference.

The thing is people don't so much like to change as they like to change their environment and how they "interface" with it.  Tech is a tool and synthesis as ME3 shows it would have people adapt to or with tech, not the other way around.

Consider this.  I'd like to fly.  One day people may sprout wings.  The wings would stem from organic material and be a product of evolution.  In order for the wings to be synthetically based, people would somehow have to suddenly within their bodies be able to grow circuits and some material like aluminum or such for the wings to grow.  Our bodies would have to become tech assembly lines that could fully integrate that with the organic part of us.  But that then would become a natural process.

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Could someone link me to this post?

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Could someone link me to this post?


http://social.biowar...17/459#13734614

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3DandBeyond wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Could someone link me to this post?


http://social.biowar...17/459#13734614


Now could you link to Bioware confirming this happened?

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dreman9999 wrote...

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Merizan needs to play ME2 and go talk with legion, where he explains that the pinnacle of evolution must be reached by their own and never by Reaper intervention, interventions that only lead to slavery. The kid states that this pinnacle, this sythesis scenario is inevitable, but the reapers are only "allowing it " guiding it in this particular direction trough the relays and the citadel.

Dont know about you, but I trust Legion's words more than this Merizan whatever bla bla bla oh my god this kid so cute.


Both Legion and Mordin make great arguments against Synthesis in ME2 ...

No, there argument is ageinst accepting the catalyst offer of synthesis. Not synthesis in gerneral or synthesis on our terms.


What?  No they make arguments against synthesis.  dreman9999, you don't know what synthesis is.  It's not prosthetics or augmentation.  It is the creation of a whole new entity and it can be achieved by even joining organic components together.  Synthesis is never a natural process.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Could someone link me to this post?


http://social.biowar...17/459#13734614


Now could you link to Bioware confirming this happened?


I don't have that.  I don't know if someone else does.  But others have quoted it.  I just can't find it since there are different threads about this and multiple pages.  It appears to have happened at the gamescom and someone had the direct quote.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 23 août 2012 - 05:48 .


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3DandBeyond wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Now could you link to Bioware confirming this happened?


I don't have that.  I don't know if someone else does.  But others have quoted it.  I just can't find it since there are different threads about this and multiple pages.  It appears to have happened at the gamescom and someone had the direct quote.


Without a link chances are it never actually happened, and is just another one of those cases of someone misquoting, or simply making up, something that Bioware said which everyone else is blindly accepting as fact.

There's a new one of these every week, you'll hear about things like Bioware mistreating fans or saying things like vocal minority, but when pressed for the sources of these quotes nothing ever turns up.

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Wait, Jessica Merizan equated the endings to Schrödinger's cat? Soooo ... it's both IT and not IT at the same time?

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Think she means that technology becomes part of our lives more and more over time and eventually we'll reach..maybe not glowing green eyes but something like nanomachines from metal gear...a point where we become more synthetic. and synthetics and their programs become more organic and so on...synthesis is a fast forward button for this...will likely still occur if you choose control or destroy but in a different way and much MUCH more gradually

Modifié par Sovereign330, 23 août 2012 - 06:09 .


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Stornskar wrote...

Wait, Jessica Merizan equated the endings to Schrödinger's cat? Soooo ... it's both IT and not IT at the same time?


I would put it this way:

By trying to please both sides you please none...

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Without a link chances are it never actually happened, and is just another one of those cases of someone misquoting, or simply making up, something that Bioware said which everyone else is blindly accepting as fact.

There's a new one of these every week, you'll hear about things like Bioware mistreating fans or saying things like vocal minority, but when pressed for the sources of these quotes nothing ever turns up.


Well, speaking for myself.  I'm not commenting on the validity of the post or assertion that she said it.  I am merely commenting on the idea that this would be some inevitability.  I don't think it would be, but that doesn't answer your question.

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Synthesis as a concept is the seemless blend of organic and synthetic life together. The Synthesis ending makes it possible for it to happen NOW, as opposed to waiting god knows how long for it to happen eventually. There's likely no difference between Synthesis (ending) and Synthesis (future), it's just a matter of the time involved to make it possible.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

Merizan needs to play ME2 and go talk with legion, where he explains that the pinnacle of evolution must be reached by their own and never by Reaper intervention, interventions that only lead to slavery. The kid states that this pinnacle, this sythesis scenario is inevitable, but the reapers are only "allowing it " guiding it in this particular direction trough the relays and the citadel.

Dont know about you, but I trust Legion's words more than this Merizan whatever bla bla bla oh my god this kid so cute.


Both Legion and Mordin make great arguments against Synthesis in ME2 ...

No, there argument is ageinst accepting the catalyst offer of synthesis. Not synthesis in gerneral or synthesis on our terms.


What?  No they make arguments against synthesis.  dreman9999, you don't know what synthesis is.  It's not prosthetics or augmentation.  It is the creation of a whole new entity and it can be achieved by even joining organic components together.  Synthesis is never a natural process.

You need to see the ending agein. It's not that at all. Even ing the syntheis ending it's shown to be just implantation. Nothing is joined. It's just implantation down to the very dna.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

Synthesis as a concept is the seemless blend of organic and synthetic life together. The Synthesis ending makes it possible for it to happen NOW, as opposed to waiting god knows how long for it to happen eventually. There's likely no difference between Synthesis (ending) and Synthesis (future), it's just a matter of the time involved to make it possible.

That's not the case at all. It's just implantation down tothe very dna.

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I don't like jessica because she lies all the time and talks **** !

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"When Synthesis is... ashes... you have my permission to dieeeee."
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yeah well dont ge too attached to a plot.