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[Helios969]

Rustedness wrote...

Wonder what the Amish would make of Synthesis.

They'd be in total bliss...cause like...they'd be one with everyone.  Can't you just see all the little Amish children going for piggyback rides on Harbinger...and being babysat by a husk named Dorothy.

[Quintega]

Flog61 wrote...

Hi everyone,


Okay, so recently ms merizan said that she and much of the writing staff like synthesis because it is 'inevitable'.

I disagree.


In this day and age, where we find treatments for the sick and can allow the disabled to lead almost normal lives, evolution has slowed right down. There is no survival of the fittest, there are no visible changes (our immune systems may become more advanced, but this is far from what synthesis entails)

Now imagine what everything would be like 250 years in the future. Cures for cancer, aids, who knows what.

How would synthesis occur?

What 'benefit' do the glowing green eyes, for example, provide to a race that allows them to outclass others?



I would also say that the whole idea of evolution is that one group evolves to outclass another, and to survive better in their respective environment. In this way, it seems a bit odd to expect every race in the galaxy to be at exactly the same stage of synthesis at exactly the same time, providing shepard does not choose synthesis in the end of me3.


And so, I ask you; Please do not make synthesis in every new mass effect game. Please. There is no reason it would happen if shepard does not choose it.



(Not to mention that if synthesis makes everyone immortal, the galaxy would be empty of resources withing a couple thousand of years, but that's another stroy)

I just pity Tricia helfer every scifi she's on she turns into EVE

[Patchwork]

<_< Bioware can stomp their feet however much they like, it's not going to change the fact that the majority of people chose Destroy.

[devSin]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Modifié par devSin, 22 août 2012 - 10:16 .

[EnvyTB075]

devSin wrote...

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

So, we become the flood, and then the Halo saga happened.

[Calamity]

devSin wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Not to mention any religious aspects. Before you say religion does not play into the MEU - A lot of Asari believe in the "goddess".  

[Siran]

I don't get what the big deal is. So, Jessica and some of the writers like the Synthesis ending. That's their right. They don't force you to agree with them, they just state their opinion. They made it pretty clear in the SDCC panel, that there is no canon ending, which in turn means that no ending is forced on anyone. Period.

I for one can sympathize with the Synthesis ending, but I choose destroy because I can neither forgive the atrocities the Reapers did (and synthesis would mean part of the being that let that happen would influence the new world) nor am I willing to force a way of life on the whole universe. But that's my opinion and my personal ending.

[Spartanburger]

I don't care if Synthesis is inevitable or not. If it is, then we will achieve it on our own terms and not use the tools the Reapers left behind. If it isn't, then so be it. We'll achieve our future, whatever it is, on our own terms.

[The Heretic of Time]

devSin wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Well in that case, it's obvious and clear that Synthesis is a complete ripoff from THIS.


Ironically, JC Denton and Helios in Deus Ex also believed that synthesis was inevitable. So I guess BioWare's "artistic integrity" is shamelessly copying other IPs?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 22 août 2012 - 10:47 .

[sheppard7]

OP, of course they think it's inevitable. Or should I say inEvitAble. See what I did there?

[The Heretic of Time]

Calamity wrote...

devSin wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Not to mention any religious aspects. Before you say religion does not play into the MEU - A lot of Asari believe in the "goddess".  

And now we know the "goddess" was just a prothean. So I guess most asasi will become atheist now.

[Calamity]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Calamity wrote...

devSin wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Not to mention any religious aspects. Before you say religion does not play into the MEU - A lot of Asari believe in the "goddess".  

And now we know the "goddess" was just a prothean. So I guess most asasi will become atheist now.

**Snickers**

[bleetman]

The constant dogged presentation of synthesis as the inevitable, super best conclusion reeks of petulant feet stomping by this point. Didn't pick our super amazing sunshine-and-bunnies ending? Well, tough. It happens anyway! Suck it!

Get over it, Bioware. Your ending is incredibly unpopular. Stop trying to force it down our throats.

[Apocaleepse360]

Is she high?

[RethenX]

It looks like that wild contagion of foot in mouth disease is still brewing over at the Bioware offices.

Seriously? Come on.

[EnvyTB075]

Quintega wrote...

I just pity Tricia helfer every scifi she's on she turns into EVE

Dare.

[Govalon]

Basically:

Destroy = Kill synthetics
Synthesis = Kill organics

[iSousek]

devSin wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I disagree OP. After having played Deus Ex: Human Revolution and after having seen a couple of documentaries about real-life "synthesis" (humans augmented with synthetic components), I believe that synthesis indeed is inevitable.

This is not augmentation. That is already standard in the ME universe.

Augmentation is not synthesis.

Synthesis is a fundamental change to matter in the galaxy. There are no "synthetic components". They are made of the same material that makes up your body, and they have the same capacity for existence as any other similar construct (whether it was previously of organic or synthetic nature). Moreover, according to the extended cut, these new beings share some sort of link with each other, some form of telepathy or shared consciousness—meaning your mind is permanently and irrevocably altered by virtue of being inundanted with this new external input (you are not the same individual, not even the same species as you were before; the only thing that remains of the person you once were is your appearance, and not even that survives unscathed).

It is the end of organic life, not the enhancement or expansion of it.

Alot of this.

Also, it would be really helpful if they'd give us their  interpretation of Sythesis so that we can finaly stop making our own interpretations and assumptions of what it really is.

It's hard to say that she is absolutely wrong and we are right because we still don't know what synthesis really is.

[LilLino]

Synthesis seems to make everyone linked to one another, bring eternal peace, destroy the differences between organics and synthetics. Cheap way to earn peace.

Even if we say that such fusion of flesh and still is inevitable considering augmentations and tech we're using, it doesn't make the choice right. You shouldn't force it, as with any technology we should obtain it on our own terms. It shouldn't be up to Shepard or Reaper leader.

What is funny, is that all of this was mentioned in mass effect before. With Krogan uplifting for instance, who weren't ready to use the technology they were gained. Or the whole theme of strenght in diversity that runs throughout the series.

That makes me wonder why the heck writers contradict themselves and turn these themes around with synthesis. I can accept it as an ending, but I'll never accept it as the best or cannon.

[Ieldra]

Can anyone tell me where Jessica Merizan said Synthesis is inevitable? Or anyone else? Because I didn't find any quote saying that and I neither did I hear it from herself.

Apart from that, an argument can be made that it is indeed inevitable, that every advanced civilization will reach the point where it deliberately re-engineers its species' biochemistry to allow for seamless integration of technology. Only the scale of things in ME3 is unusual.

[Jamie9]

Until it's shown in a game or a novel - it's not canon. Twitter isn't Word of God for this company because they don't remain consistent.

So, synthesis is not inevitable, because we've not seen anything that suggests as such.

[RinuCZ]

I understood her response meant to be a personal preference and maybe a slight insight into how others in a team felt about a theme of possible sequel. There is nothing wrong about it. I'm glad she shares these bits from time to time because it isn't just an unrevealing PR talk and it gives me a chance to "map" likely scenarios.

Yes, it can be hard to recognize what is her personal interpretation and what is not on Twitter sometimes. However I think her reply at Gamescom can be and should be discussed in a civilized manner without calling names or be indirectly harsh to her, no matter how much someone disagrees.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 22 août 2012 - 01:21 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

I think she was speaking more to it being inevitable in the ME universe...but meh. It's just another sad attempt at justifying tacking the Deus Ex ending onto the ME trilogy.