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Ms Merizan, I respectfully disagree: I do not think synthesis is inevitable.


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Ieldra2 wrote...

Can anyone tell me where Jessica Merizan said Synthesis is inevitable? Or anyone else? Because I didn't find any quote saying that and I neither did I hear it from herself.

Apart from that, an argument can be made that it is indeed inevitable, that every advanced civilization will reach the point where it deliberately re-engineers its species' biochemistry to allow for seamless integration of technology. Only the scale of things in ME3 is unusual.


She said it at gamescom; you may well find it in the topic about her saying 'never get too attaced to a plot'

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

And now we know the "goddess" was just a prothean. So I guess most asasi will become atheist now.


The majority religion of the Asari has nothing to do with Athame.  References to the Goddess seem to be simply cultural holdovers.

(Though the Athame religion was presented as less dead in the ME1 codex than is implied in ME3)

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synthesis is BULLSHIZER, especially from a scientific stand point, as i preach all the time the closest thing to synthesis would be a borg from star trek........how the hell do you give a robot organic dna, and a person robot DNA. if any one even says "synthetic dna" i will offically give up on humanity, as "synthetic DNA" is the same as "organic DNA" which is found in everything thats considered living, however it hasn't evolved naturally, its been created it a lab .....

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Long story short : We all agree to disagree.

The most viable ending is the Destroy one because it's the main subject of the plot. Destroy the Reapers threat for good.

Stand fast.Stand Strong.Stand Together!

AchesOfDoom, out!

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Flog61 wrote...
It wasn't twitter, it was from gamescom


Same applies. Not in the game, not in the novels - not canon.

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AchesOfDoom wrote...
Long story short : We all agree to disagree.

The most viable ending is the Destroy one because it's the main subject of the plot. Destroy the Reapers threat for good.

Stand fast.Stand Strong.Stand Together!

AchesOfDoom, out!

Being the most popular doesn't mean it's the most viable. Rather more often it means it's not the most viable.

Feel feel to agree to disagree :P

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Synthesis is inevitable is just assumption of flawed Emperor, how can you take his assumption seriously -_-

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 22 août 2012 - 01:28 .


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Applepie_Svk wrote...

Synthesis is inevitable is just assumption of flawed Emperor, how can you took his assumption seriously -_-


well thats the problem i have, i really dont like the catalyst, but is he flawed because i disagree, or is he flawed because he is cruel?

if i see him as flawed because i disagree, then maybe my opinion has flaws too

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We all have our opinions ^^.

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xsdob wrote...

Okay, you disagree with her interpretation of an open ending, good to see your excersising your free will to do so.


A lot of people take what Bioware tweets/say as 'canon'

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spirosz wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Okay, you disagree with her interpretation of an open ending, good to see your excersising your free will to do so.


A lot of people take what Bioware tweets/say as 'canon'


Well they have killed off some characters through twitter. Their PR is absolutely horrible if you ask me. Like its trying to ****** people off on purpose. 

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Death's inevitable too. Say that gives me an idea guys...

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LadieGamer wrote...

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Sorry LadieGamer, but painkillers already exist.

You do raise an interesting point though lol. But still, it's not the idea that there wouldn't be benefits of synthesis, but at the end of the day, to unknowingly force such a irreversable decision on the entire galaxy, that's just wrong.


Well of course there are but you gotta take them and wait for them to kick in. That could take up to 20 mins and I'm not sure if you're male of female but sometimes they're so bad we throw up or we can't walk (Yep, I wen there). Synthesis would be instant relief. :o

It may be wrong to you but it's not wrong to me. I would gladly welcome Synthesis over being turned into goop. I would welcome it because then we would all be on the same wave length, no figthing, no stupid bs so someone can get rich of off someone else. People with mental illness would live better lives and we'd all be at peace. Is Utopia in a Universe like ME so bad? or is it because there can only be one Utopia and you have to die to get there.:innocent:



Female and I know what you mean, to say the least.

Just because it solves some synthetic vs organic problem that never existed in the first place. Doesn't mean it solves every violence problem forever.

What if a hybrid species still creates a purely synthetic A.I?
What if a hybrid species still creates a purely organic being?
What if a hybrid species goes to war with another hybrid species?

The reason it is a Utopia is one of the reason's it's bad. Utopia's are an illusion of peace. It doesn't matter if it's Mass Effect or any other medium. I would never choose it in anything because it's not realistic. Not to mention the ways in which it is implemented breaks all suspension of disbelief.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

AchesOfDoom wrote...
Long story short : We all agree to disagree.

The most viable ending is the Destroy one because it's the main subject of the plot. Destroy the Reapers threat for good.

Stand fast.Stand Strong.Stand Together!

AchesOfDoom, out!

Being the most popular doesn't mean it's the most viable. Rather more often it means it's not the most viable.

Feel feel to agree to disagree :P


You can't disagree it's the main objective of the plot. That's the point s/he's making.

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They specifically said at SDCC that there is no canon ending. Period.

When will people learn to accept that? If Jessica or any other of the dev team prefer Synthesis and make an argument for it, then that's their right, but that does not make it canon, and why should it - it's their opinion, just as anyone else has an opinion and - for him - chosen an ending...

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Jade8aby88 wrote...
You can't disagree it's the main objective of the plot.

Stopping the reaper invasion? All endings except refuse achieve that, period.

Modifié par Rubios, 22 août 2012 - 02:21 .


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Jessica nor Gamble nor Hudson nor Walters would be employed at Bioware if MS bought them instead of EA. MS would have been good and pissed after the debacle, they are lucky EA is run by idiots.


Also MS would/could have thrown Halo/Gears type money at Mass Effect.  Just can't imagine how good Mass Effect could have been if treated as a flagship MS title.   Bioware being backed by one of the largest companies on earth would be interesting to see.

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If you do not believe that Synthesis is not the final evolution, you're completely delusonal. Even top-end and educated scholars, proffesors believe that Synthesis is the final step.

I'd rather take their words over some blind ME3 "Lolendingsuxx" hater.

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Personally, I see her point. We have machines do more and mroe work for us all of the time. Wars are fought with drone planes, hearing aids, pacemakers - soon the age of the omni-tool will come to pass as well. We as humans have a growing dependence on technology. It certainly makes sense as an option.

Now, I don't necessarily trust the Reapers enough to fuse with them. To me, thats crazy TIM talk. Or Saren. I'm not bonding with no Reaper. I also will not doom the galaxy into servitude like that. I'd rather be Reaper chow. To me, its about killing them. Reapers are convoluted...... Evil.... and need to be destroyed.

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 a Russian company aims to be able to transfer human consciousness into a holographic avatar by the year 2045

not quite synthesis but still interesting

2045 initiative

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Its a good thing I uninstalled my ME3 a while ago or I would actually give a damn.
As it is I dont care if they want to have the green ending as canon.

Its the most brain dead and stupid ending to any series ever.
Even more stupid then the "Surrender" ending in Jade Empire.

That is saying something right there.
And no the Disney ending in the EC is just Bioware trying to patch it over. I for one am glad I blew the Reapers to hell and dont think I will change my mind ever.

So no Ms Merizan the only thing inevitable here is more people laughing at your claim.

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Knottedredloc wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

Jessica nor Gamble nor Hudson nor Walters would be employed at Bioware if MS bought them instead of EA. MS would have been good and pissed after the debacle, they are lucky EA is run by idiots.


Also MS would/could have thrown Halo/Gears type money at Mass Effect.  Just can't imagine how good Mass Effect could have been if treated as a flagship MS title.   Bioware being backed by one of the largest companies on earth would be interesting to see.

No thanks. I enjoy being able to actually play Mass Effect on things that aren't Xboxes.

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bleetman wrote...

Knottedredloc wrote...

vivaladricas wrote...

Jessica nor Gamble nor Hudson nor Walters would be employed at Bioware if MS bought them instead of EA. MS would have been good and pissed after the debacle, they are lucky EA is run by idiots.


Also MS would/could have thrown Halo/Gears type money at Mass Effect.  Just can't imagine how good Mass Effect could have been if treated as a flagship MS title.   Bioware being backed by one of the largest companies on earth would be interesting to see.

No thanks. I enjoy being able to actually play Mass Effect on things that aren't Xboxes.


I played Mass Effect on a thing that is not an Xbox, plus they are dirt cheap now...

Modifié par Rubios, 22 août 2012 - 02:31 .


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Fingertrip wrote...
Even top-end and educated scholars, proffesors believe that Synthesis is the final step.  

Interesting. Do you have any source at hand, please? I'm not sure if you're refering to a nanobiotechnology or augmentations instead. These are themes quite different from in-game Synergy.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 22 août 2012 - 02:31 .


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But honestly, it would make sense. The Reapers prophersize synthetics would destroy organics. Maybe after the Reapers were defeated, people got smarter, or simply took that warning.

So organics improve themselves by synthesize themselves, while synthetics, wanting a better understanding of life, make themselves organics. 

If you think about it, it's really the only way forward.

But I honestly don't really care which ending is canon. Introducing a bigger bad guy (Ooh! Ask me!) instead of fighting "Upgraded Reapers" would be a nice change. 


Or we could just kill the synthetics and stop worrying about them.  Destroy FTW.
I mean, synthetics are a creation of organics every time.  Since we create them, i is in our power to destroy them.