Jamie9 wrote...
Until it's shown in a game or a novel - it's not canon. Twitter isn't Word of God for this company because they don't remain consistent.
So, synthesis is not inevitable, because we've not seen anything that suggests as such.
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Modifié par KENNY4753, 22 août 2012 - 04:35 .
Jade8aby88 wrote...
Jamie9 wrote...
Until it's shown in a game or a novel - it's not canon. Twitter isn't Word of God for this company because they don't remain consistent.
So, synthesis is not inevitable, because we've not seen anything that suggests as such.
Twitter became canon when they killed Emily Wong using it..
****ing bastards.
Mythanblood wrote...
Synthesis is as inevitable as is rain on Omega.
Anyone that sya this missedthe point of what BW is saying.HansODST wrote...
I think what irritated me most about this ending was that Starbrat said something like "Synthesis is the final stage of evolution"....I really think that the BioWare writing team has no idea what evolution by nonrandom natural selection is....
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bleetman wrote...
No thanks. I enjoy being able to actually play Mass Effect on things that aren't Xboxes.Knottedredloc wrote...
vivaladricas wrote...
Jessica nor Gamble nor Hudson nor Walters would be employed at Bioware if MS bought them instead of EA. MS would have been good and pissed after the debacle, they are lucky EA is run by idiots.
Also MS would/could have thrown Halo/Gears type money at Mass Effect. Just can't imagine how good Mass Effect could have been if treated as a flagship MS title. Bioware being backed by one of the largest companies on earth would be interesting to see.
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KENNY4753 wrote...
I feel bad. I told Emily Wong she would get an exclusive interview but instead I was given Allers
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zeypher wrote...
Im happy it aint microsoft. If it was, i would have never even played the series. Microsoft pretty much stopped supporting pc gaming quite a while back. I think gears 1 or halo 2 was the last. ME series came on the pc because of EA.
They are the vanguard for our favorite NPCs destructionConniving_Eagle wrote...
KENNY4753 wrote...
I feel bad. I told Emily Wong she would get an exclusive interview but instead I was given Allers
Damnit, you just made me realize: they probably killed off Wong so that they could have Chobot. It shows just how corrupted Bioware has become.
KENNY4753 wrote...
They are the vanguard for our favorite NPCs destructionConniving_Eagle wrote...
KENNY4753 wrote...
I feel bad. I told Emily Wong she would get an exclusive interview but instead I was given Allers
Damnit, you just made me realize: they probably killed off Wong so that they could have Chobot. It shows just how corrupted Bioware has become.
Ha, I knew your explanation sounded familiar, inko1. I've read your reply in "Escapism or Realist?" thread a while ago and it was an interesting addition to the discussion. Just off the record.
1. Asari don't have to use implants, they're able to make use of eletrical impulses trasmitted through a body. Humans aren't, thus they use implants to stimulate. I see it similar to a sensitivity of smell sensors of dog and human (it's an example). One's is stronger, other has to use external resources to achieve same result.
1.Asari do use implants. Infact, Laira uses them in ME1. We can change he biotic implant in the gear screen. Asari have he best biotic implant tech in the galexy. There's even an asari that ask for implants from grayson acdamy so she can see if asari can use them.The asari us impants to enhance biotics, not to use it.RinuCZ wrote...
Ha, I knew your explanation sounded familiar, inko1. I've read your reply in "Escapism or Realist?" thread a while ago and it was an interesting addition to the discussion. Just off the record.
As for transhumanism, the aim was clear and as an idea it works fine in my books. I fancy Ghost in the Shell because of that, for example.
As for picotechnology, hm, it could kind of work. As I understand the abstract on precedings.nature.com, it's sort of nanotechnology. I can even imagine the information gained during a fusion is kept and transferred to a fetus.
A fact that EC altered an interpretation and removed that synthetics gained organic DNA, it makes it easier to piece a theory together and basically assume that mainly humans undergo an improvement and synthetics develop some kind of new protocol. I mean assuming that their sudden ability to understand each other is more a simple utopia than a triggered brain/CPU's process.
Okay, I admit it could be a possible expansion of picotechnology but I can't help it, It all sounds more like a fairytale about a golden age of techno-telepaths.
Thanks for your input.1. Asari don't have to use implants, they're able to make use of eletrical impulses trasmitted through a body. Humans aren't, thus they use implants to stimulate. I see it similar to a sensitivity of smell sensors of dog and human (it's an example). One's is stronger, other has to use external resources to achieve same result.
2. Okay, I'll try to be careful to word it better. I don't deny that an augmentation can be labelled as a synthesis. Or that an augmentation is a part of Synthesis ending. I never opposed that Shepard was augmented or a subject of synthesis in ME2. I wanted to say that a synthetic arm and in-game Synergy aren't same because first simulates a function and second alters functions of subject. That was my point, it wasn't probably clear from my explanation.
Heh, now I feel like a fan polemizing about how Superman can fly.
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1. Do you have a link by any chance? As far as I remember, it was stated that they're natural biotics (thanks to Protheans' engineering). I think they use implants in the case they wish to boost the ability or have it underdeveloped.dreman9999 wrote...
1.Asari do use implants. Infact, Laira uses them in ME1. We can change he biotic implant in the gear screen. Asari have he best biotic implant tech in the galexy. There's even an asari that ask for implants from grayson acdamy so she can see if asari can use them.The asari us impants to enhance biotics, not to use it.
2.But your missing the point that the concept of synthesis in ME is intrapendence of user and tool.. The person who has a synthetic arm becomes intradependent on it. It's an augmentation and synthesis. Synthesis in ME3 is augmentation as well.
1.RinuCZ wrote...
1. Do you have a link by any chance? As far as I remember, it was stated that they're natural biotics (thanks to Protheans' engineering). I think they use implants in the case they wish to boost the ability or have it underdeveloped.dreman9999 wrote...
1.Asari do use implants. Infact, Laira uses them in ME1. We can change he biotic implant in the gear screen. Asari have he best biotic implant tech in the galexy. There's even an asari that ask for implants from grayson acdamy so she can see if asari can use them.The asari us impants to enhance biotics, not to use it.
2.But your missing the point that the concept of synthesis in ME is intrapendence of user and tool.. The person who has a synthetic arm becomes intradependent on it. It's an augmentation and synthesis. Synthesis in ME3 is augmentation as well.
2. I think we really miss each other's point of view. You're saying they both are same thing because they use same process, don't they? I'm saying - to put in another wording - they are members of same class (merging of components) but they're are in different subclasses or they're members of other classes too (replacement/alternation). I put a higher emphasis on subclasses, you on an encapsulating class. Am I right?
Codename_Code wrote...
Merizan needs to play ME2 and go talk with legion, where he explains that the pinnacle of evolution must be reached by their own and never by Reaper intervention, interventions that only lead to slavery. The kid states that this pinnacle, this sythesis scenario is inevitable, but the reapers are only "allowing it " guiding it in this particular direction trough the relays and the citadel.
Dont know about you, but I trust Legion's words more than this Merizan whatever bla bla bla oh my god this kid so cute.
You clearly missed the point here. Merizan is not saying choosing synthesis is cannon. She's saying the races of the ME universe choosed to apply synthesis on there own terms, even if destroy or control is choosen. It more they applied it later on there onw terms with their own tech then now with the catalyst choice.Codename_Code wrote...
Merizan needs to play ME2 and go talk with legion, where he explains that the pinnacle of evolution must be reached by their own and never by Reaper intervention, interventions that only lead to slavery. The kid states that this pinnacle, this sythesis scenario is inevitable, but the reapers are only "allowing it " guiding it in this particular direction trough the relays and the citadel.
Dont know about you, but I trust Legion's words more than this Merizan whatever bla bla bla oh my god this kid so cute.
No, there argument is ageinst accepting the catalyst offer of synthesis. Not synthesis in gerneral or synthesis on our terms.Stornskar wrote...
Codename_Code wrote...
Merizan needs to play ME2 and go talk with legion, where he explains that the pinnacle of evolution must be reached by their own and never by Reaper intervention, interventions that only lead to slavery. The kid states that this pinnacle, this sythesis scenario is inevitable, but the reapers are only "allowing it " guiding it in this particular direction trough the relays and the citadel.
Dont know about you, but I trust Legion's words more than this Merizan whatever bla bla bla oh my god this kid so cute.
Both Legion and Mordin make great arguments against Synthesis in ME2 ...
Modifié par dreman9999, 22 août 2012 - 07:46 .
Here's the problem with you point. It already is happen in the ME universe with biotic implants,gray boxes, the quarians, and Shepard's implats.kobayashi-maru wrote...
Have to agree with OP, synthesis is not inevitable, if anything the idea that synthetic life would evolve into something more, was inevitable. Altering all organic life in the galaxy wasn't, it really has nothing to do with it. I could see the geth becoming more organic like and finding away to procreate and in a way, to die.
In my view the trilogy became more about death than anything else. The synthetics couldn't progress, other than artificially because they weren't alive and without death life had no real purpose. It also came up with Liara about the extended life cycles of her species and in a way envied the humans shorter span.
Without death life has no meaning. If everything lived forever there would be no change, no purpose, no reason for living. Everything has to end or it goes onto to a repetitious cycle where nothing changes.
The best way to look at it is Legions question "Does this unit have a soul?". Without death what is the purpose of that soul? Does it still have worth?
I am not religious but in nature everything dies, but by doing so changes into something else. Forest fires kill all vegetation but it clears brush leaving revitalized soil free. Look at the insect life that springs from a dead body.
To quote the interwebs, "Death has meaning if life had meaning. If one is not able to live, will he be able to die?"
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