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[Hannah Montana]

DarthSliver wrote...

You know choosing to use the Crucible is better than choosing nothing, you know conventional victory isnt possible at this point because NO ONE listen to you when you told them in Mass Effect 1. To refuse is to make the same mistake the Council made when they didnt start putting resources to prepare for the Reaper Threat. You are put in the position to trust what the Starkid is saying because The Council made conventional victory impossible for this cycle because of their ignorance. Another ignorant choice being made because you know the Starkid the the collective mind of the Reapers will not solve the Reaper Threat. I dont think the refuse supporters remember the part that the Starkid said The Crucible changed its programming allowing it to see more options to the Synthetic/Organic issue it was made to solve(may not be exact words used).

Remember the Council screwed Conventional Victory over, you know from the start the fleet you gathered up was made to only hold the Reapers off long enough so you could activate The Crucible. You have no choice but to choose one of the three endings that activate The Crucible, hoping the choices that the Starkid explained to you were indeed true. If its a Reaper trick you lose anyways you just have to hope it isnt, so yes Refuse is a prideful choice to make because know from the start Conventional Victory isnt possible and its not because it never was its because The Council screwed that option over.

Nope.
For all we know the Reapers trick us with the three choices they offer us and kill everyone after.
Refusal is the only way we know for certain the Reapers are destroyed. 

[Pitznik]

Goneaviking wrote...


www.youtube.com/watch

The reapers call them 'containment camp' but it's a euphamism.

edit: It wouldn't be viable to show a reaper concentration camp, because its depiction would have forced it into a rating for a higher age group and would have prevented it from being released in Australia (my home country) at all. Just because you aren't graphically shown the horrors being inflicted by the reapers doesn't give you license to claim they aren't happening when the game explicitly tells you that they are.

That isn't merely headcanoning in, it crosses specifically into the level of active dishonesty.

Wasted effort. LiaraShield chose to disregard some parts of the game that aren't supporting her ideas, it is not within your power to change it.

[Bill Casey]

Camps are also mentioned in the codex...

Harvesting

Even with all the Reapers' power, harvesting every sapient species in an entire galaxy can take decades or even centuries. The most time-consuming part of the process is gathering DNA from the population. To accelerate the effort, the Reapers follow a consistent procedure.

Victims who cooperate, surrender, or are captured by husks are sorted into camps. It is believed the husks possess receptors that allow them to analyze a victim's DNA through sight, smell, or touch. Victims that meet their standards are herded from the camps into processor ships. Those the husks deem insufficient are either turned into husks themselves or indoctrinated to serve as slave labor. The Reapers use this last option to give their victims false hope -- many captives who would otherwise fight back become docile when they see members of their own kind obey and survive.

The processor ships reduce victims to a transportable liquid. Like in a slaughterhouse, the ships' design prevents victims from seeing or hearing what happens elsewhere so that they do not panic. The victims are ushered into locking pods, then rent apart and dissolved into paste that is flushed to storage vats.

The rate of killing is phenomenal. Intelligence estimates suggest there are more than 400 processor ships on Earth, killing approximately 1.86 million humans per day. In combination with battlefield deaths, disease, and famine, this pace will result in the complete depopulation of Earth within a decade. As the husks and indoctrinated slaves build more slaughtering facilities, the kill rate can only increase.

[Pitznik]

Bill Casey wrote...

Camps are also mentioned in the codex...

Harvesting

Even with all the Reapers' power, harvesting every sapient species in an entire galaxy can take decades or even centuries. The most time-consuming part of the process is gathering DNA from the population. To accelerate the effort, the Reapers follow a consistent procedure.

Victims who cooperate, surrender, or are captured by husks are sorted into camps. It is believed the husks possess receptors that allow them to analyze a victim's DNA through sight, smell, or touch. Victims that meet their standards are herded from the camps into processor ships. Those the husks deem insufficient are either turned into husks themselves or indoctrinated to serve as slave labor. The Reapers use this last option to give their victims false hope -- many captives who would otherwise fight back become docile when they see members of their own kind obey and survive.

The processor ships reduce victims to a transportable liquid. Like in a slaughterhouse, the ships' design prevents victims from seeing or hearing what happens elsewhere so that they do not panic. The victims are ushered into locking pods, then rent apart and dissolved into paste that is flushed to storage vats.

The rate of killing is phenomenal. Intelligence estimates suggest there are more than 400 processor ships on Earth, killing approximately 1.86 million humans per day. In combination with battlefield deaths, disease, and famine, this pace will result in the complete depopulation of Earth within a decade. As the husks and indoctrinated slaves build more slaughtering facilities, the kill rate can only increase.

It is not in game, it didn't happen. Codex is indoctrinated or something.

[Bill Casey]

Joker doesn't have a sister...

[XxDarkTimexX]

saracen16 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Refuse is right choice, because it is a) most realistic thing most of the Shepard's would do without meta-gaming;

Realistically speaking, Shepard's mission is to activate the Crucible. To refuse it would be to sacrifice every alliance, every resource gathered, and every soldier recruited for the sake of petty ideals. Refusal is obstinacy.

It is a way to show Bioware how bad their game is;

This is not a thread about how good or bad ME3 is. Their plot revolves around the Crucible. If you can't accept it, you are shown what happens to you within the game. The story never submitted to you. YOU submitted to the story.

c) Despite numerous claims, I believe conventional victory to be possible. Refuse the Catalyst and go fan-made ending.

Fanmade ending is fanmade. The story deems conventional victory impossible. Countless cycles have proved that. To fight conventionally would be to repeat the same mistakes of the past.

then control would be to repeat the same mistakes of the past

[DarthSliver]

Hannah Montana wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You know choosing to use the Crucible is better than choosing nothing, you know conventional victory isnt possible at this point because NO ONE listen to you when you told them in Mass Effect 1. To refuse is to make the same mistake the Council made when they didnt start putting resources to prepare for the Reaper Threat. You are put in the position to trust what the Starkid is saying because The Council made conventional victory impossible for this cycle because of their ignorance. Another ignorant choice being made because you know the Starkid the the collective mind of the Reapers will not solve the Reaper Threat. I dont think the refuse supporters remember the part that the Starkid said The Crucible changed its programming allowing it to see more options to the Synthetic/Organic issue it was made to solve(may not be exact words used).

Remember the Council screwed Conventional Victory over, you know from the start the fleet you gathered up was made to only hold the Reapers off long enough so you could activate The Crucible. You have no choice but to choose one of the three endings that activate The Crucible, hoping the choices that the Starkid explained to you were indeed true. If its a Reaper trick you lose anyways you just have to hope it isnt, so yes Refuse is a prideful choice to make because know from the start Conventional Victory isnt possible and its not because it never was its because The Council screwed that option over.

Nope.
For all we know the Reapers trick us with the three choices they offer us and kill everyone after.
Refusal is the only way we know for certain the Reapers are destroyed. 

But the fact remains choosing Refuse entitles the cycle continuing, we dont have the Conventional means to win against them with Brute force. The Council has put us in the position that we have to trust in the choices given to us out of Red/Blue/Green from the Starkid are we lose anyways, better to lose trying something than to ignore the only options we know that could get us a victory. 

[corkey sweet]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Synthesis is worse.

This ^

[Goneaviking]

Bill Casey wrote...

Joker doesn't have a sister...

Breaking news...

Admiral Anderson failed to provide satisfactory evidence that he was born in London. The disgraced military commander attempted to proffer his birth certificate as evidence but expert LiarasShield explained "If it happened off camera it isn't canon. I'm not even convinced he was really born at all. It's just headcanon or fanfiction."

Modifié par Goneaviking, 22 août 2012 - 11:33 .

[Hannah Montana]

Goneaviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Joker doesn't have a sister...

Breaking news...

Admiral Anderson failed to provide satisfactory evidence that he was born in London. The disgraced military commander attempted to proffer his birth certificate as evidence but expert LiarasShield explained "If it happened off camera it isn't canon. I'm not even convinced he was really born at all. It's just headcanon or fanfiction."

Who is to say the Normandy SR2 got destroyed anyway, everyone thinks it is a Reaper.
Shepard probably started a colony.

[saracen16]

Hannah Montana wrote...

What was my point?

saracen16 wrote....
The Catalyst, however, lacks ambition: the dialogue near the end shows that it is either shackled by the Crucible, or it is carrying out its programming.

What you said gives synthetics ambition is exactly what the Catalyst has.
You can't seem to make up your mind.

By your definition the catalyst has ambition.

Do you even know what ambition is? By your definition, a computer designed to carry out certain tasks like collecting medical record data is ambitious. Get your semantics straight, Hannah. And since you like gif's:

 

Funny how many pics the internets has.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The Codex is an in-universe encyclopedia. What it says isn't always accurate. Sovereign was called a Geth Flagship in the ME2 codex.

[robertthebard]

Hannah Montana wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

You know choosing to use the Crucible is better than choosing nothing, you know conventional victory isnt possible at this point because NO ONE listen to you when you told them in Mass Effect 1. To refuse is to make the same mistake the Council made when they didnt start putting resources to prepare for the Reaper Threat. You are put in the position to trust what the Starkid is saying because The Council made conventional victory impossible for this cycle because of their ignorance. Another ignorant choice being made because you know the Starkid the the collective mind of the Reapers will not solve the Reaper Threat. I dont think the refuse supporters remember the part that the Starkid said The Crucible changed its programming allowing it to see more options to the Synthetic/Organic issue it was made to solve(may not be exact words used).

Remember the Council screwed Conventional Victory over, you know from the start the fleet you gathered up was made to only hold the Reapers off long enough so you could activate The Crucible. You have no choice but to choose one of the three endings that activate The Crucible, hoping the choices that the Starkid explained to you were indeed true. If its a Reaper trick you lose anyways you just have to hope it isnt, so yes Refuse is a prideful choice to make because know from the start Conventional Victory isnt possible and its not because it never was its because The Council screwed that option over.

Nope.
For all we know the Reapers trick us with the three choices they offer us and kill everyone after.
Refusal is the only way we know for certain the Reapers are destroyed. 

I'm sorry, but we don't know this.  Either we're basing our decisions on being Shepard, or we're basing them on metagame knowledge that the next cycle defeats them.  If we're going to use metagame knowledge, then we know for a fact that Destroy kills the Reapers, thus making your statement false.  Note that relying on the Stargazer video to say Refusal means the Reapers are destroyed is relying on metagame knowledge, since it happens 50,000 years or so after the choice is made.  That is the problem with argueing to argue though, eventually you wind up contradicting yourself.  Of course, I'd already pointed this out here, you remember, your headcanon is correct, but if it didn't happen in game, it didn't happen.

[tholloway93]

it still suprises me the reapers didnt notice the crucible docking and go 'oh ****, better quickly fire a laser beam at that looks dangerous

[LiarasShield]

Goneaviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Joker doesn't have a sister...

Breaking news...

Admiral Anderson failed to provide satisfactory evidence that he was born in London. The disgraced military commander attempted to proffer his birth certificate as evidence but expert LiarasShield explained "If it happened off camera it isn't canon. I'm not even convinced he was really born at all. It's just headcanon or fanfiction."

Nice jab at sarcasm love much appreciated but they didn't show any reaper camps or reapers harvesting civilians during the whole game of me3 and their isn't only so many excuses to say why they didn't do it espically when shepard has used the normandy to fly all across the galaxy to get aid or unite the races don't you think if they're any reaper camps that we would've already saw them?


On a side note I do believe some of the codex like the information on certain races is accurate  also I do know anderson is from london and we even went their so thanks once again for your cheeky reply ^_- 

[Memnon]

saracen16 wrote....
The Catalyst, however, lacks ambition: the dialogue near the end shows that it is either shackled by the Crucible, or it is carrying out its programming.

You only know this from a metagaming standpoint - that has been my point all along. Let's be intellectually honest, here. Again, for the sake of argument let's say the Catalyst is lying to you - how would it go about deceiving you? It would take a form you trust, it would provide you options that solve your problem, and it would try to remain calm and rational to keep you at ease. 

Modifié par Stornskar, 23 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[saracen16]

Stornskar wrote...

saracen16 wrote....
The Catalyst, however, lacks ambition: the dialogue near the end shows that it is either shackled by the Crucible, or it is carrying out its programming.

You only know this from a metagaming standpoint - that has been my point all along.

Did you even read what I said? I mentioned that the dialogue at the end (i.e. the Catalyst's conversation with Shepard) led me to the conclusion that the Catalyst lacks ambition and is guided by its singular logic.

Let's be intellectually honest, here. Again, for the sake of argument let's say the Catalyst is lying to you - how would it go about deceiving you? It would take a form you trust, it would provide you options that solve your problem, and it would try to remain calm and rational to keep you at ease. 

That's assuming that the Catalyst actively took that form and is not a hallucination that Shepard himself is experiencing. We have no proof of either one. In fact, it taking the form of a child could be its way of familiarizing itself to Shepard, not necessarily for the sake of deception.

You can't assume its motives based on its actions.

[Memnon]

saracen16 wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

saracen16 wrote....
The Catalyst, however, lacks ambition: the dialogue near the end shows that it is either shackled by the Crucible, or it is carrying out its programming.

You only know this from a metagaming standpoint - that has been my point all along.

Did you even read what I said? I mentioned that the dialogue at the end (i.e. the Catalyst's conversation with Shepard) led me to the conclusion that the Catalyst lacks ambition and is guided by its singular logic.

Let's be intellectually honest, here. Again, for the sake of argument let's say the Catalyst is lying to you - how would it go about deceiving you? It would take a form you trust, it would provide you options that solve your problem, and it would try to remain calm and rational to keep you at ease. 

That's assuming that the Catalyst actively took that form and is not a hallucination that Shepard himself is experiencing. We have no proof of either one. In fact, it taking the form of a child could be its way of familiarizing itself to Shepard, not necessarily for the sake of deception.

You can't assume its motives based on its actions.

My point is that the dialogue at the end is only proven to be true when you look at the scene in its entirety in retrospect. That's what I mean when I say you can only say this from a metagaming perspective.

And regarding the assumption of the form - I have no assumptions, whatsoever. My point is that if it was going to lie, it would most likely act a certain way, and I would argue that the way it would deceive us is by acting in the very manner that is presented in game. I am viewing this entire exchange from the perspective of being there for the first time, without any knowledge of what will happen. I distinctly remember what I was thinking at that time, and it was, "this kid is full of crap."

Modifié par Stornskar, 23 août 2012 - 02:37 .

[robertthebard]

LiarasShield wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Joker doesn't have a sister...

Breaking news...

Admiral Anderson failed to provide satisfactory evidence that he was born in London. The disgraced military commander attempted to proffer his birth certificate as evidence but expert LiarasShield explained "If it happened off camera it isn't canon. I'm not even convinced he was really born at all. It's just headcanon or fanfiction."

Nice jab at sarcasm love much appreciated but they didn't show any reaper camps or reapers harvesting civilians during the whole game of me3 and their isn't only so many excuses to say why they didn't do it espically when shepard has used the normandy to fly all across the galaxy to get aid or unite the races don't you think if they're any reaper camps that we would've already saw them?


On a side note I do believe some of the codex like the information on certain races is accurate  also I do know anderson is from london and we even went their so thanks once again for your cheeky reply ^_- 

You should really do the Ardat Yakshi mission, and then come back and let us know what you think about what the Reapers are doing.  Not every everything that happens in game happens on screen.  It would be about 1,000 hours long if we had to be everywhere for everything to happen.  The fact is, when intel is given to us in game, it's canon, whether you want to accept it or not.  We didn't see the Inusannon get wiped out either, as they were the cycle before the Protheans, so are we to assume that, since it didn't happen in game, and is only mentioned by Javik, that it didn't happen?  What about all the cycles before them?  There is a long list of cycles, and we know nothing about them, except that they existed.

Everyone's game can be slightly different, due to choices that we can make, who lives, who dies, who we take on a mission, etc etc.  However, there are basic happenings that are the same for everybody.  We are all on the SR 2, Anderson is from London, the Reapers have detainment camps, Cerberus attacks the Citadel, and on an on.  Some of these things we don't see.  We weren't there for Anderson's birth, and we don't visit the camps.  That we don't see it doesn't invalidate it.  It's not fan fiction that somebody made up, there are videos on youtube that show the conversation cutscenes concerning these events taken from the game.  Just because it doesn't fit into a neat little box for categorizing, or proving/disproving a point doesn't mean it didn't happen, if we can get a cutscene from the game that everyone can get for proof. 

[LiarasShield]

robertthebard wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Joker doesn't have a sister...

Breaking news...

Admiral Anderson failed to provide satisfactory evidence that he was born in London. The disgraced military commander attempted to proffer his birth certificate as evidence but expert LiarasShield explained "If it happened off camera it isn't canon. I'm not even convinced he was really born at all. It's just headcanon or fanfiction."

Nice jab at sarcasm love much appreciated but they didn't show any reaper camps or reapers harvesting civilians during the whole game of me3 and their isn't only so many excuses to say why they didn't do it espically when shepard has used the normandy to fly all across the galaxy to get aid or unite the races don't you think if they're any reaper camps that we would've already saw them?


On a side note I do believe some of the codex like the information on certain races is accurate  also I do know anderson is from london and we even went their so thanks once again for your cheeky reply ^_- 

You should really do the Ardat Yakshi mission, and then come back and let us know what you think about what the Reapers are doing.  Not every everything that happens in game happens on screen.  It would be about 1,000 hours long if we had to be everywhere for everything to happen.  The fact is, when intel is given to us in game, it's canon, whether you want to accept it or not.  We didn't see the Inusannon get wiped out either, as they were the cycle before the Protheans, so are we to assume that, since it didn't happen in game, and is only mentioned by Javik, that it didn't happen?  What about all the cycles before them?  There is a long list of cycles, and we know nothing about them, except that they existed.

Everyone's game can be slightly different, due to choices that we can make, who lives, who dies, who we take on a mission, etc etc.  However, there are basic happenings that are the same for everybody.  We are all on the SR 2, Anderson is from London, the Reapers have detainment camps, Cerberus attacks the Citadel, and on an on.  Some of these things we don't see.  We weren't there for Anderson's birth, and we don't visit the camps.  That we don't see it doesn't invalidate it.  It's not fan fiction that somebody made up, there are videos on youtube that show the conversation cutscenes concerning these events taken from the game.  Just because it doesn't fit into a neat little box for categorizing, or proving/disproving a point doesn't mean it didn't happen, if we can get a cutscene from the game that everyone can get for proof. 

So because shepard who used the normandy to go throughout the galaxy couldn't find one reaper concenctration camp yeah that isn't acceptable love if it did happen and yes I've already played the ardat yakshi mission and saved samara and her daughter yes indoctrination does happen but no reaper concentration camps and no harvesting only indoctrinating


And Yes I can believe javik because their are ingame flash backs of his time when the reapers were invading from eden prime.

[robertthebard]

LiarasShield wrote...


So because shepard who used the normandy to go throughout the galaxy couldn't find one reaper concenctration camp yeah that isn't acceptable love if it did happen and yes I've already played the ardat yakshi mission and saved samara and her daughter yes indoctrination does happen but no reaper concentration camps and no harvesting only indoctrinating


And Yes I can believe javik because their are ingame flash backs of his time when the reapers were invading from eden prime.

There is also a cutscene where EDI talks about the camps.  See the problem here?  Because you don't want to believe in something, it isn't real, even though it is supported in game.  BTW, the point of the Ardat Yakshi mission isn't indoctrination, they are turning them into Banshees.  Just as they turned the Protheans into the Collectors.  They are no longer strictly Asari, they are now Reaper Variants.

The fact that this video exists, and is taken from the actual game means that there are indeed camps.  Just because you prefer to not believe it, or to disbelieve it doesn't mean they aren't real.

[LiarasShield]

robertthebard wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


So because shepard who used the normandy to go throughout the galaxy couldn't find one reaper concenctration camp yeah that isn't acceptable love if it did happen and yes I've already played the ardat yakshi mission and saved samara and her daughter yes indoctrination does happen but no reaper concentration camps and no harvesting only indoctrinating


And Yes I can believe javik because their are ingame flash backs of his time when the reapers were invading from eden prime.

There is also a cutscene where EDI talks about the camps.  See the problem here?  Because you don't want to believe in something, it isn't real, even though it is supported in game.  BTW, the point of the Ardat Yakshi mission isn't indoctrination, they are turning them into Banshees.  Just as they turned the Protheans into the Collectors.  They are no longer strictly Asari, they are now Reaper Variants.

The fact that this video exists, and is taken from the actual game means that there are indeed camps.  Just because you prefer to not believe it, or to disbelieve it doesn't mean they aren't real.

That didn't prove anything and yes the indoctrinated do become reaper variantsa but we don't see any reaper concenctration camps or see other races being processed in the attempts to make a reaper capital ship so it still doesn't work without trying to headcannon something we never saw

[robertthebard]

LiarasShield wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


So because shepard who used the normandy to go throughout the galaxy couldn't find one reaper concenctration camp yeah that isn't acceptable love if it did happen and yes I've already played the ardat yakshi mission and saved samara and her daughter yes indoctrination does happen but no reaper concentration camps and no harvesting only indoctrinating


And Yes I can believe javik because their are ingame flash backs of his time when the reapers were invading from eden prime.

There is also a cutscene where EDI talks about the camps.  See the problem here?  Because you don't want to believe in something, it isn't real, even though it is supported in game.  BTW, the point of the Ardat Yakshi mission isn't indoctrination, they are turning them into Banshees.  Just as they turned the Protheans into the Collectors.  They are no longer strictly Asari, they are now Reaper Variants.

The fact that this video exists, and is taken from the actual game means that there are indeed camps.  Just because you prefer to not believe it, or to disbelieve it doesn't mean they aren't real.

That didn't prove anything and yes the indoctrinated do become reaper variantsa but we don't see any reaper concenctration camps or see other races being processed in the attempts to make a reaper capital ship so it still doesn't work without trying to headcannon something we never saw

I have to ask, are you a professional comedian?  Because this is either the best joke I've ever seen in print, or really sad.  Yesterday, you were on a kick of "if it's not in game, it didn't happen", and now you're on a "even if it's in game, but we don't see it, it didn't happen" kick.  It's extremely hard to take someone seriously when they are all over the place like this.  The headcanon here isn't that the camps exist, it's that they don't.  We are told in game that they exist.  I suppose you feel like we haven't really lost any colonies either, since we never actually see it happen?  So all those Reapers on the Galaxy Map just means that it isn't safe to run your scanner full time?

As to the process of making a Reaper, we saw all we need to see in ME 2.  Although, since things we don't see didn't happen, your view, not mine, then they didn't have any where near enough people to get that far, did they?  I mean, we hear people in game talking about losing colonies, we even get a reference to one of the colonies in ME 3, but they're just making that up, because we didn't see that colony get taken in ME 2.  Won't Steve be happy to hear that he didn't really lose his husband?  After all, we weren't there when it happened, so it couldn't have happened right?  You see, this is the message you are conveying.  You didn't see it, it's not real.  Unfortunately, things happen whether you're there or not.  The events in Arrival are played out, even if you don't play them, they just happen differently, and the same is true for most DLC.  The game universe doesn't require your active participation, or for you to witness events for them to happen.

[saracen16]

Stornskar wrote...

My point is that the dialogue at the end is only proven to be true when you look at the scene in its entirety in retrospect.

I know what metagaming is, Stornskar. I trusted the Catalyst the moment I met him, before he presented his solutions, because I realized who he is, what he is, and what situation he was just placed in. I wouldn't believe that a machine like him would lie for any reason: he has the Reapers at his disposal and is himself an inevitability.

And regarding the assumption of the form - I have no assumptions, whatsoever. My point is that if it was going to lie, it would most likely act a certain way, and I would argue that the way it would deceive us is by acting in the very manner that is presented in game.

...which is still an assumption because you are assuming that it is lying precisely because it is taking that form. There are other reasons including the ones I mentioned that it would have taken that form, regardless of its status as the Reaper's master AI.

I am viewing this entire exchange from the perspective of being there for the first time, without any knowledge of what will happen. I distinctly remember what I was thinking at that time, and it was, "this kid is full of crap."

For the second time, Stornskar, I know what metagaming is. He's not a "kid". He's a machine. A machine built with a singular logic, to be the Catalyst for peace between synthetics and organics. And that was what you thought. I thought differently, so don't assume that one observer has the monopoly on what the event in front of him or her means.

[Necrotron]

Picking refusal does not necessarily mean rejecting the catalyst. For all Shepard, the character, knows, the catalyst is still somewhere waiting to be fired else and the starchild is merely some indoctrination attempt.

Modifié par Bathaius, 23 août 2012 - 04:04 .